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howe_sam posted:Why is Oliver running around in the goalie mask? He forgot that he is filming Arrow and not Ninja Turtles.
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Despite the fact that I think the whole Helix thing was really weird and poorly done I kinda loved this episode and am super excited for next week's, but I assume I'm in the extreme minority in here given that I'm one of the few people who doesn't seem to have a seething hatred for Felicity.howe_sam posted:Why is Oliver running around in the goalie mask? He's presumably still wanted by the cops. He's been wearing the black semi-regularly since Mayor Queen declared the Green Arrow an enemy of the city. And he was around cops like all the time this episode. Carlosologist posted:so was Helix working with Chase all along? or is this perhaps a hook for season 6, where Oliver takes on the cyber Which isn't to say that Helix aren't evil. Don't think I didn't notice that they never unmasked the guy they were rescuing, so I assume he's coming back into play later when they cast him or reveal him to be someone they already know. But I don't think they were with Prometheus. They did, after all, expose him in the first place which seemed to temporarily mess up his plans. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Felicity and Felicity's Friend (I'm not calling her Kojo) sure let a lot of Helix members die before turning off those turrets. Or were they just supposed to be mercs again?
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Aphrodite posted:Felicity and Felicity's Friend (I'm not calling her Kojo) sure let a lot of Helix members die before turning off those turrets. Pretty sure they were just mercs. Aphrodite posted:I don't think this dark side stuff worked. Helix has done nothing worse than Team Arrow does all the time. Which is why Felicity is so hacked off with Ollie and Dig. Oliver's certainly right that working with Helix is a bad idea, but after all the morally compromised decisions he's made over the course of the show, it's either hypocrisy or hard-earned experience, and thanks to the writing it comes across more as the former than the latter.
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Apr 27, 2017 13:57
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Got some serious whiplash from this episode. Oliver and Digg moralizing to Lilah and Felicity is just hollow considering how many murders and other felonies the two of them have committed. Did enjoy family time with Lance and Wild Dog. I would watch a wacky office comedy spin off about those two running Star City.
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Apr 27, 2017 14:53
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Digg also had his brother in a black site.
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LongDarkNight posted:Got some serious whiplash from this episode. Oliver and Digg moralizing to Lilah and Felicity is just hollow considering how many murders and other felonies the two of them have committed. Did enjoy family time with Lance and Wild Dog. I would watch a wacky office comedy spin off about those two running Star City. Lance? You mean Hoss? Totally agree with the last few posts regarding this episode though. Oliver drinking alone watching someone else going down his same path and knowingly having no moral authority to say anything. EconOutlines fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Welp, while none of the three show's return-from-hiatus episodes were particularly good, this was still probably the most decent of the bunch. Even if the season A-plot of Prometheus didn't really progress until the last 30 seconds. In the first half of this episode I was thinking "Aha! Finally this lame, Chekov's-hacktivist-group, Felicity b/c-plot will have repercussions!" but then the second half happened and they end up getting the tracking device anyway and Felicity just lost some fake friends. Kind of a wet fart. Other things: -Has Quentin Lance always pronounced "justice" as "JUSHTISH"? Is he becoming Sean Connery? -Why bother taking the front emblem off a car for a TV show if it's a car as recognizable as a Ford Mustang? -I did appreciate the detail that Felicity went about 1/4th to 1/3rd Goth for this escapade. -"HEY LET'S ALL RUSH THE SENTRY GUN AND--fhufbjfdfjnfsdnf..."
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This episode was grueling. I skipped over most of the cry talking.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:21
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"drat it, don't you understand having black sites where we hold prisoners without a lawyer or the justice system is totally wrong? Now then. I need to go talk with Slade and Boomerang in their cells on a lovely island in the middle of nowhere."
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Mortanis posted:"drat it, don't you understand having black sites where we hold prisoners without a lawyer or the justice system is totally wrong? Now then. I need to go talk with Slade and Boomerang in their cells on a lovely island in the middle of nowhere." Digg was the one mad about that though, not Oliver.
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Mortanis posted:"drat it, don't you understand having black sites where we hold prisoners without a lawyer or the justice system is totally wrong? Now then. I need to go talk with Slade and Boomerang in their cells on a lovely island in the middle of nowhere." Hold on someone escaped from no lunch gitmo
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EconOutlines posted:Totally agree with the last few posts regarding this episode though. Oliver drinking alone watching someone else going down his same path and knowingly having no moral authority to say anything. Who gives a poo poo about moral authority, he's literally saying "don't do the things I've done you'll regret it like I do" and Felicity's reaction is "YOU DID THOSE THINGS HOW DARE YOU CALL ME OUT ON IT" it makes zero sense and Felicity is once again a huge whiny idiot
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Looks like we have more flashbacks in our future. http://io9.gizmodo.com/arrow-just-cant-let-go-of-flashbacks-1794703720
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Spacebump posted:Looks like we have more flashbacks in our future. http://io9.gizmodo.com/arrow-just-cant-let-go-of-flashbacks-1794703720 Not really a surprise. In fact: “That said, the flashbacks have worked so well on the show, they’re not going to be gone forever. We’re obviously not going to be going back to Lian Yu and we’re not going to be telling the story of the five years that Oliver was gone, but we might get some glimpses into the backstories of other characters, which would be really fun.” That bolded part was something people in this thread predicted and thought might be kinda cool if done well. We'll see. The person who wrote that article seems aggressively negative about it.
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Chokes McGee posted:Who gives a poo poo about moral authority, he's literally saying "don't do the things I've done you'll regret it like I do" and Felicity's reaction is "YOU DID THOSE THINGS HOW DARE YOU CALL ME OUT ON IT" To be fair this is the 100th time he has used that line which lets him have his cake and eat it too.
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I'm betting they go with Dinah flashbacks, since we only know the basics of her back story with her partner as a cop.
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I wasn't bothered by the inherent hypocrisy about the moral dilemmas in this episode because: A) They acknowledged it like a dozen times and it's why Oliver and Dig lost every argument. B) They weren't really as upset by the action itself as they were about who was doing them. C) Oliver clearly was wallowing in the guilt that he didn't have a moral leg to stand on and was basically responsible for the entire basis for Felicity's justification. D) As Dig said, this is the conflict that broke up his and Lyla's first marriage. And fairly the idea of crossing the line once and awhile is different from becoming Amanda Waller. So like it was a lot of rehash but it was stuff totally character and tonally consistent. But it was character and tone stuff this thread hates so I totally get why people don't like this episode.
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You could tell Felicity was doing something bad because she switched to heavy black eye makeup
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Guy Goodbody posted:You could tell Felicity was doing something bad because she switched to heavy black eye makeup Goth felicity is the evil felicity but overall i am enjoying this season.
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STAC Goat posted:I wasn't bothered by the inherent hypocrisy about the moral dilemmas in this episode because: I agree with you, except the "character and tone stuff this thread hates" because I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I found that line with Ollie and Digg on the rooftop where one of them says something like "I don't understand a world where both Felicity Smoak and Lyla cross the line"--or something to that effect--was very telling. Guy Goodbody posted:You could tell Felicity was doing something bad because she switched to heavy black eye makeup Longbaugh01 posted:-I did appreciate the detail that Felicity went about 1/4th to 1/3rd Goth for this escapade.
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Longbaugh01 posted:I agree with you, except the "character and tone stuff this thread hates" because I'm not sure I understand what you mean. quote:I found that line with Ollie and Digg on the rooftop where one of them says something like "I don't understand a world where both Felicity Smoak and Lyla cross the line"--or something to that effect--was very telling.
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LongDarkNight posted:Got some serious whiplash from this episode. Oliver and Digg moralizing to Lilah and Felicity is just hollow considering how many murders and other felonies the two of them have committed. It's not so much what they've done in the past, it's that Oliver's argument runs along the lines of; "DON'T DO WHAT I DID, YOU"LL REGRET IT." *Oliver runs off and kills like, 30 people" "SEE? I TOTALLY REGRETTED THAT."
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I mean, there's some clear "we've been here before" at play but in fairness they've gone to great lengths with the Prometheus story to try and convince us that this time Oliver really, really does regret everything he's done and desperately wants to change. So within that context it makes all kinds of sense that he'd want to stop Felicity from making his mistakes, all in the name of dealing with the problem that Oliver's mistakes made. Which Oliver spelled out like 3 times. But, he's been here before which is why Felicity sees it as yet another "I make the hard decisions so you don't have to" speech he's been giving for five years. Whether this time REALLY is different and REALLY is affecting Oliver more than ever is really only something we'll see in time. But so far he seems to be holding to it.
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STAC Goat posted:I just meant that so many people in here hate Felicity and relationship drama and "cry talking"...it totally makes sense that those people would hate an episode entirely about relationship drama... Honestly, I gave the Felicity character the benefit of the doubt this episode writing-wise and I think it worked for me. My only complaint was that there didn't seem to be any consequences for her decision besides "aww they weren't really my friends/comrades, they were just using me *frowny face*". Yeah I know there may be more consequences down the road (and maybe Helix did just help Prometheus), but I felt there needed to be something more than what there was within the confines of this episode. I didn't notice any cry-talking though, and while there was "relationship drama" technically, the stuff between Ollie/Felicity and Diggle/Lyla came across to me as just two sets of adults that are close, having to re-evaluate what they thought the other person was capable of, and maybe realize they're not the special-unique-greater-good-takes-a-toll-sacrificeblahblahblah-snowflakes that they thought they were. Which honestly, is punching above its weight for this show, even in this season.
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Yeah, I was cool with it (even if I agree it was kind of a loftier philosophical idea than they nailed) I'm just saying some people in here are hyper sensitive about this stuff and REALLY hate anything close to what we got. Like I said, I really enjoyed this episode and am super hyped for next week. Which people are going to HATE because its going to be Oliver and Felicity trapped and dying and expressing their feelings. And definite "cry talking."
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STAC Goat posted:Like I said, I really enjoyed this episode and am super hyped for next week. Which people are going to HATE because... Oh poo poo. I don't get to watch previews usually, so it's a bottle episode? Ughhh. Sometimes I wish that would be retired from television writing, but then once in a while you get a gem like Breaking Bad's "Fly".
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Not based on previews but like, this episode ended with Oliver and Felicity having a serious conversation about their relationship and morals when the whole place caved in on them. So odds are next week will be about them trying to stay alive long enough for the rest of the team to get them out. Which means lots of heart to hearts. But also I did watch the preview and it specifically shows that it was an EMP attack which cripples Felicity's spine implant making her helpless, and lots of "cry talking."
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Apr 27, 2017 21:49
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lol I'd forgotten that Felicity had the same thing as Ray from Archer
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"Thank you, hoss" was the best line of the episode. I didn't mind the episode. But I'm curious if Kaidan James is supposed to be a recognizable comics name because with them not showing his face at all and the implication that Helix will be a big bad for S6, I can see them wanting him to be a big role, but haven't casted him yet. Also, no one let Dig know about Team Flash's "no lawyer, no due process, no justice" Super-Max lock up.
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I'd hate to have a hacker team be the big bad of a season. It's already incredibly dull when they have a hacker vs hacker fight in the show already. Lights flashing, crazy screensavers, and suddenly sparks start flying from random desks just to force some hype at people pounding keyboards and shouting about "they are in the firewall!" or "on noes, they deployed a virus *lights flicker faster*" This show does best when they stick to the practical effects.
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Sir Potato posted:"Thank you, hoss" was the best line of the episode. When they didn't unmask him at first I was expecting it to be some other bad guy Argus had locked up and we knew, and that being a big consequence of Helix's actions. Whoops. Freed the prisoner from the black site. Since they didn't go that way and presumably had him be the real hacker I assume they just kept him off camera so they weren't locked into an actor. It could mean they have plans for Helix next season or maybe they were just keeping their options open.
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Burning_Monk posted:I'd hate to have a hacker team be the big bad of a season. It's already incredibly dull when they have a hacker vs hacker fight in the show already. Lights flashing, crazy screensavers, and suddenly sparks start flying from random desks just to force some hype at people pounding keyboards and shouting about "they are in the firewall!" or "on noes, they deployed a virus *lights flicker faster*" maybe the computers will form into a human-sized karate fighter like the bees in that one episode, so oliver will have something to do
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Maybe this super hacker will also be someone who is a big reveal and has history with someone on Team Arrow. I'd say Felicity's ex, but that seems boring and I totally forgot what happened to him anyway. I'm hoping it isn't the case, but I'm guessing the Deathstroke comeback tour will be a one-and-done.  Sir Potato posted:Also, no one let Dig know about Team Flash's "no lawyer, no due process, no justice" Super-Max lock up. We need a classic DiggReaction.gif for this stat. Burning_Monk posted:I'd hate to have a hacker team be the big bad of a season. It's already incredibly dull when they have a hacker vs hacker fight in the show already. Lights flashing, crazy screensavers, and suddenly sparks start flying from random desks just to force some hype at people pounding keyboards and shouting about "they are in the firewall!" or "on noes, they deployed a virus *lights flicker faster*" My friend, let me tell you about a cinematic masterpiece titled...Hackers...
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Longbaugh01 posted:Maybe this super hacker will also be someone who is a big reveal and has history with someone on Team Arrow. I'd say Felicity's ex, but that seems boring and I totally forgot what happened to him anyway. oh, god
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I liked the episode, especially the Wild Dog and Hoss parts. Oliver probably could have leaned on "Yes, I have done, and will continue to do things I think are bad, but I've just recently come to terms with the fact that I was, and sorta still am a serial killer" a little better. Also, I'm looking forward to lyla_was_right.mp4 Helix may or not be a big bad, but Kojo probably will be.
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