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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the only thing i'm looking forward to with issth is for it to end, which will speed up the translation of a will eternal. Is A Will Eternal really any better than ISSTH? I read the first few chapters and it felt exactly like ISSTH except the protagonists goal is to never die as opposed to become rich.
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Lyon posted:Is A Will Eternal really any better than ISSTH? I read the first few chapters and it felt exactly like ISSTH except the protagonists goal is to never die as opposed to become rich. issth was great when it was doing those things, tho
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issth became dead to me when it permanently swore off shenanigans
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There's about to be shenanigans again though. A Will Eternal has some really, really funny parts and leans even more into shenanigans than early ISSTH. At least as far as the first translation got. Sindai fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Man, Kumoko's WN hasn't updated since March 18th. I need my fix! I didn't even mind that it was going all end-of-FFIV on me!
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Also it took me roughly 50-70 hours to read through the entirety of Act 4 so far.
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The most maliciously loving destructive enemy in A Will Eternal is a talking rabbit. It never stops being funny. It helps if you realize that A Will Eternal is, effectively, about Xianxia Young Frankenstein.
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These quick Re:Zero translations are moer competent than I expected, but are sometimes pretty hilarious and end up with things like tihs:quote:They smile and poo poo when Subaru subarus around at mealtimes or whatever, but that they don't speak much outside those times is probably due to stress. "Subaru subarus around" edit: Hahaha also quote:Patrasche gives a whinny or whatever the gently caress noise dragons make in response to Subaru's addressing her, to which Otto's expression turns to despair Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Ytlaya posted:These quick Re:Zero translations are moer competent than I expected, but are sometimes pretty hilarious and end up with things like tihs: This is a good translation.
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Took a whole month of doing almost nothing else, but I finally finished Honzuki/Bookworm. Now I'm at that point where I don't know what to do with my life now that I'm without it. I guess I can look forward to the short stories the author is still making. There were like 3 or 4 loose plot threads I thought were foreshadowing but didn't ever get picked up. It's really, really good all the way through, but looking back it's definitely not the same series by the end as it was in the beginning. Second half isn't about technologically uplifting fantasy-land so much as it is about (spoilered just in case)going to Hogwarts and solving the magical energy crisis. Once the poo poo hits the fan in part 5, though, it's a roller coaster to the end. There were a lot of major plot twists in quick succession, and if I had one gripe I think it would have been nice if there was a little more time to appreciate them. That said, probably my favorite WN ever. I either had a huge dumb grin on my face or was crying throughout a lot of it. I kind of want to go back and reread it from part 1 now.
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The author has said she will start posting epilogue chapters about Hannelore on the 28th, I think. Series of 10 or so.
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It bothers me very much that in Re:Zero apparently having your stomach sliced open results in dying within like 1-2 minutes. I'm pretty sure that sort of injury could actually take literally hours of torturous pain to kill you.
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Ytlaya posted:It bothers me very much that in Re:Zero apparently having your stomach sliced open results in dying within like 1-2 minutes. I'm pretty sure that sort of injury could actually take literally hours of torturous pain to kill you. that's more for lower abdominal injuries to the intestines a deep enough cut to open the stomach probably also hits the kidneys, liver or aorta and would easily lead to rapid death from blood loss and shock and even the intestines if it was a sweeping cut rather than a penetration (like from a spear, arrow or gunshot) could also easily lead to rapid exsanguination
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UberJew posted:that's more for lower abdominal injuries to the intestines Yeah, you could bleed out if hit in the right places I guess, though I think that generally writers just treat the body as a giant bag of random flesh/blood (that, in the case of Japanese manga/web novels, also always causes you to bleed out your mouth*). *I actually understand why they do this, even if it's a little silly; they need some visual way to indicate "this person is hosed up internally" and it's tough to visually indicate something like internal bleeding otherwise.
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ACT 4 Questions: Now why would Puck go looking for Emilia for 300 years if she did not exist until 100 years prior when she lived at Elior Forest? Was he tasked by Echidna or someone else to go find her, and for what reason? I could make the conclusion that his mission was linked to Satella's era if he had been searching for her for 400 years, but as it's 300 this does not add up. What perhaps was Pandora looking for in Elior Forest that would be important enough to want to wreak havoc on the elves? And who could Emilia's mother be if the seven witches remember her so well? I don't think it could be Satella because of the 300 year interval between her death/sealing and Emilia's birth, so what could it be? So many questions from just a couple of chapters.
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Hmm hmm, so I've practically run out of popular web novels to check out on Narou, and rather than scraping out the very bottom of the barrel, I reached for the porn pile over at Nocturne (Narou's R18 site), and I found there to be titles of surprisingly high quality. I'd go so far as to say that some are as good as anything you can read on the regular side. Not just in terms of prose, but plot planning and character depth also felt strangely out of place, given that I came in expecting nothing more than sordid sex scenes. Admittedly among the dozen or so works I've gone through, I've yet to find one that doesn't contain rape in some form, but I guess that's Japan for you! On a positive note, there seems to be a lot more variation in setting on Nocturne, whereas the regular Narou ranking only seems to feature isekai stuff. I was particularly impressed with Kyokuchi Renai (Romance in the Extreme?) about 5 youths who end up on an uninhabited tropical island after a shipwreck, and have to figure out how to find enough food and water to survive day to day. It quickly turns into human drama with romance and mystery and quite a bit of darkness. Kind of slides from comedy to thriller as they explore more of the island, and I'm not entirely sure what this thing is even doing on the R18 side of things, because I doubt the erotic bits even cover 10% of the content, and they're relatively mild. It was completed back in 2013 or so, eventually getting published on paper in 2015, but nobody seems to be bothering to translate it, unfortunately. In any case it's an interesting example of what Japanese web novels can be outside of the mainstream. Edit: The author is writing a new series now that has recently started getting translations, but I haven't read it yet myself. darkgray fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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darkgray posted:Hmm hmm, so I've practically run out of popular web novels to check out on Narou, and rather than scraping out the very bottom of the barrel, I reached for the porn pile over at Nocturne (Narou's R18 site), and I found there to be titles of surprisingly high quality. I feel your actions didn't match your intent
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One thing that really bugs me in Re:Zero (largely because of how much I enjoy the story otherwise) is how Subaru has feelings for both Rem and Emilia and, even worse, is open to Emilia about it*. Like, it is totally not cool at all to tell Emilia that you also love someone else and it really bugs me how girls in these stories will usually be totally okay with the protagonist having feelings for other girls because of how ~pure~ their love is. Emilia should have just told Subaru to gently caress off and that she's not cool with polygamy. I wouldn't really mind if this sort of thing actually lead to conflict and the protagonist having to make a decision that will inevitably hurt whoever he doesn't choose, but that usually doesn't happen. And, while this isn't an issue in Re:Zero (yet, anyways), it really bugs me how the girls a harem protagonist doesn't choose will usually spend the rest of their lives as chaste virgins who continue to love the protagonist (I guess because it might injure the ego of the reader if everyone doesn't continue to love their self-insert). * Part of the reason it annoyed me is that I was optimistic that his rooftop discussion with Rem constituted him officially rejecting her, but then he turns around and says how he actually loves Rem also.
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harems are dull because they reduce love interests to items to be collected rather than characters who could be interesting.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:harems are dull because they reduce love interests to items to be collected rather than characters who could be interesting. i feel like that's more that wn writers are dull tenchi muyo is terrible but the cast are certainly characters and that's like, quintessential harem anime
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Are harems really that outrageously unbelievable? In the real world there seem to be women who are willing to be a married man's mistress, even if it means having to share him with his wife. Plus, the girls in R:Z aren't even human, so god knows how rigid their preferences are, given how many primates share mates. Not that I'm advocating polygamy, but there should be room in fiction for some kind of theory that says we are monogamous due to culture rather than biology. Either way, if you absolutely can't stand the idea, just stop reading web novels altogether right now. You can't avoid it anywhere.
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Blaming lovely characters on harems is silly. If it wasn't a harem story, chances are the characters would still be lovely. That most members of harems tend to lack agency isn't something inherent to harems, most one true love WN stories suffer from the exact same issue. Also, we're reading male oriented wish fulfillment stories for the most part. That the female characters tend to be doormats should not come as a shock.
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darkgray posted:Are harems really that outrageously unbelievable? In the real world there seem to be women who are willing to be a married man's mistress, even if it means having to share him with his wife. Plus, the girls in R:Z aren't even human, so god knows how rigid their preferences are, given how many primates share mates. Not that I'm advocating polygamy, but there should be room in fiction for some kind of theory that says we are monogamous due to culture rather than biology. Either way, if you absolutely can't stand the idea, just stop reading web novels altogether right now. You can't avoid it anywhere. A man who has multiple partners is media shorthand for shitbag in like everything books, movies, tv shows, hell even harem anime usually have some foil character to the MC who actively pursues multiple women just to show off how much of a not-shitbag the MC is. Whether it's realistic or not is debatable and incidental imo. Being a macho-alpha male who women fawn on is generally portrayed as a positive character trait but at the end of the day there is an expectation of monogamy for a protagonist character. There's a reason the protagonists of harem media are always unrealistically dense - it's because if you have a character who is trying to seriously pursue a relationship with 5 different women he's the bad guy 99 times out of 100. Like with very very few exceptions that's not the guy the author wants you rooting for - that's the flaky loser the hero compares favorably to. I mean at the end of the day authors are writing for their audiences who - if they're reading this on the internet - you can be pretty drat sure have been exposed to a culture that preaches monogamy = morality their entire lives. Rocking that boat is just dumb. And I disagree that it's impossible to avoid. A lot of web/light novels have harem in the sense that there is one male main character and then every other character of any significance is female and maybe or maybe not infatuated with the lead character which is one thing. Having the main male lead actively trying to reciprocate the feelings of a half dozen women (or even two!) is rare as hell. That's where all the drama comes from - the whole will they won't they thing.
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sunken fleet posted:A man who has multiple partners is media shorthand for shitbag in like everything books, movies, tv shows, hell even harem anime usually have some foil character to the MC who actively pursues multiple women just to show off how much of a not-shitbag the MC is. Whether it's realistic or not is debatable and incidental imo. Being a macho-alpha male who women fawn on is generally portrayed as a positive character trait but at the end of the day there is an expectation of monogamy for a protagonist character. There's a reason the protagonists of harem media are always unrealistically dense - it's because if you have a character who is trying to seriously pursue a relationship with 5 different women he's the bad guy 99 times out of 100. Like with very very few exceptions that's not the guy the author wants you rooting for - that's the flaky loser the hero compares favorably to. Are we discussing the same thing here? My response was to Ytlaya crying about how girls can't possibly accept polygamy, and I tried to give some ways to suspend disbelief when reading fiction. And have you actually read a web novel? They're all (as in 95%) about guys transported into fantasy worlds. Fantasy world means nobility, and nobility means multiple wives. They all feature this poo poo. The Japanese web novel portal Narou is a new kind of in-bred culture wave all about giving no fucks about "media shorthand" and giving in to their deepest desires to gently caress all the cute little girls they could ever want forever and ever, and it's fine, because it's fantasy land. Light novels and their high school romances are a thing of the past. These new isekai web novels are flushing everything else out of the market. Enjoy!
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darkgray posted:Are we discussing the same thing here? My response was to Ytlaya crying about how girls can't possibly accept polygamy, and I tried to give some ways to suspend disbelief when reading fiction. quote:And have you actually read a web novel? They're all (as in 95%) about guys transported into fantasy worlds. Fantasy world means nobility, and nobility means multiple wives. They all feature this poo poo. The Japanese web novel portal Narou is a new kind of in-bred culture wave all about giving no fucks about "media shorthand" and giving in to their deepest desires to gently caress all the cute little girls they could ever want forever and ever, and it's fine, because it's fantasy land. Light novels and their high school romances are a thing of the past. These new isekai web novels are flushing everything else out of the market. Enjoy! I'm English only pleb so I only read what gets translated but I think it's pretty rare for the main character to be quite so openly deplorable. Like fantasy worlds have nobility but they're generally evil nobles for the hero to rail against and point at and feel morally superior too. Even if he has a dozen girls following around in his wagon or whatever he still gets the moral high ground because he's super dense or leans on his 'Japanese sensibilities' or whatever reason the author has to not have his main character be an openly terrible person. Setting aside the genre of poo poo where the MC being a deplorable person is the whole selling point of course... And Subaru is pretty clearly supposed to be a good guy yea?
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darkgray posted:Are harems really that outrageously unbelievable? In the real world there seem to be women who are willing to be a married man's mistress, even if it means having to share him with his wife. Plus, the girls in R:Z aren't even human, so god knows how rigid their preferences are, given how many primates share mates. Not that I'm advocating polygamy, but there should be room in fiction for some kind of theory that says we are monogamous due to culture rather than biology. Either way, if you absolutely can't stand the idea, just stop reading web novels altogether right now. You can't avoid it anywhere. I feel like even when that sort of thing happens in real life, it's usually because the woman is willing to tolerate the situation in spite of the circumstances (i.e. she might be willing to become a mistress for financial benefits, or loves a man so much she's willing to be with him even though she'd rather be his only lover). It's not so much Rem loving Subaru that bothers me, though; it's more that Subaru claims to want both Rem and Emilia and even says this to Emilia. This kinda goes back to the general "humans from our own world write stories, so you can't just always use 'well maybe this is normal in the fictional world portrayed in the story' as an excuse" issue. Especially when there's a really obvious non-plot-related reason why such an element would be included in the story (in this case reader wish fulfillment of getting to have more than one girls). As an extreme analogy, it's like if someone wrote a story where all women enjoy being raped and then someone defended it on the grounds of "well, in the world of (story) it is normal for women to enjoy being raped." Ultimately stories are written by people from our own world, and judged on that basis. So unless a deviance from our own norms serves some actual narrative purpose (or is inoffensive) it makes sense to not just take it at face value. darkgray posted:Are we discussing the same thing here? My response was to Ytlaya crying about how girls can't possibly accept polygamy, and I tried to give some ways to suspend disbelief when reading fiction. You're really using some kind of twisted logic to defend this sort of thing. It is super obvious that the real reason this happens is 100% for wish fulfillment fantasies on the part of readers. And as mentioned above, the fact that polygamy has existed doesn't necessarily mean it's something women actually wanted most of the time (aside from stuff like it being an exchange to improve economic/social status). And Subaru is a person from our own world, so he can't use that world's customs to justify him choosing to openly pursue both girls. And just to be clear, I really like Re;Zero and think it's a great WN! It's just this one element that bugs me, because it's completely unnecessary. I would even be okay with Rem loving Subaru if he explicitly rejected her in favor of Emilia (or had some sort of internal conflict where he wasn't sure who to choose).
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Ytlaya posted:(or had some sort of internal conflict where he wasn't sure who to choose). This is one of the most annoying things about dense/supreme good guy protagonists. You'd think it would add drama, but it's just an excuse to have more ladies throw themselves at the MC without anyone actually committing. Internal conflict is great when it is actually resolved, but the vast majority of JP characters deal with serious internal conflict by going "oh well, something external will happen so I don't have to deal with this" and the story goes on without anything changing. I'm not sure if I prefer the CN method of dealing with it(not having any) or the KR way(ignore it and keep grinding until supreme power solves it) over it though.
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Ytlaya posted:it's more that Subaru claims to want both Rem and Emilia and even says this to Emilia. See, if we're talking about MC being a good/bad person, the fact he tells main girl "Hey I got feelin's for this other girl" seems to me to be a point on the good side of the scale - the alternative being NOT telling her, of course. Whether this just ends up being wish fulfillment depends on how main girl reacts, which I don't know, not having read the novel in question, but I don't think this is calling the main characters morality into question any more than your average wishy-washy harem protag.
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on a completely unrelated topic, has anyone noticed how in chinese isekai stories the protagonist always jumps in to some other dude's life? it occurred to me that this might happen because the authors just cannot imagine someone not having a huge extended family even in a world where they are a stranger to everyone. though, this approach does have the benefit of skipping the "creepy old gently caress in a baby's body" phase frequently found in reincarnation isekai stories.
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Ytlaya posted:And Subaru is a person from our own world, so he can't use that world's customs to justify him choosing to openly pursue both girls. Eh, this seems incredibly stiff. In R:Z arc 3 Rem outright tells Subaru "I'd be fine with being your secondary wife" and that she'll persuade Emilia about polygamy which is probably what planted the seed in Subaru's head in the first place. Note that this was somehow cut from the anime adaptation, so maybe your confusion stems from not actually bothering to read the novel. And this is kind of what I'm trying to explain. These stories are always constructed this way, for the reader's desires, by setting up a world where polygamy is something normal and decent. It means the girls all grow up with it as an acceptable alternative, and mostly end up being the ones to push it onto the poor protagonist, whatever his internal moral qualms may be. I don't really know where it started, but Narou is a very strange place, where authors practically cannibalize each other's stories in the hope that theirs will become popular too. It's exasperated when some authors seemingly have never read a novel outside of Narou, so the stories get conformed in the strangest ways. In the case of harems, some of it may root in the popularity of something like Mushoku Tensei (big title spoiler), where the author managed to manoeuvre his story into a place where polygamy was somehow inevitable, and it's convinced even female readers as being the best outcome (going by comments). Now clones spring up eternal. Even in female-oriented web novels like Honzuki no Gekokujou (another title spoiler), there are girl characters willingly entering into polygamy. Your rape analogy is pretty funny, because on the porn side of Narou, the most common way to initiate a romantic relationship seems to be to rape the girl first, and then she'll eventually just like it so much she'll fall in love with you. Wish fulfilment truly knows no bounds.
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I... am not sure why you are surprised Re:Zero does this? It becomes very clear very early on that Subaru never accepts anything but a 'perfect end' and that he sees himself as a harem protagonist, with all the bells and whistles of "I am totally going to reject polygamy which will only make them push it on me and I'll have to accept it's their desire" being more or less his motivation a few times, and how things just 'fall in line' to make things easier for him to get that Best End whenever he has a reset. As for women who willingly become mistresses/etc... I think people don't really understand that mistresses actually tend to get "the good side" without having to actually do the work and have the bad part of the relationship in many cases. Women who are willing to become mistresses rarely do it as a "I want this man so much I am willing to settle for second" (though it of course does happen) but is much more commonly a "I am actually first and I don't have to have icky children and can have my own life and have my own love life If I need to". Polygamy also tends to be much more complicated than Harems. As in, very, very complicated.
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Authors making a ridiculous effort to justify polygamy is far less offensive than when authors go to similar lengths to try to justify slavery, rape or pedophilia, but it's still kind of creepy and often detracts from the rest of the story.
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darkgray posted:In the case of harems, some of it may root in the popularity of something like Mushoku Tensei (big title spoiler), where the author managed to manoeuvre his story into a place where polygamy was somehow inevitable, and it's convinced even female readers as being the best outcome (going by comments). Now clones spring up eternal. I actually stopped reading that when that poo poo started happening b/c given the buildup and history of the MC it was absolutely not acceptable and then I went and checked spoilers and there wasn't a walkback or repentance and I was like 'nah gently caress this'
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UberJew posted:I actually stopped reading that when that poo poo started happening b/c given the buildup and history of the MC it was absolutely not acceptable and then I went and checked spoilers and there wasn't a walkback or repentance and I was like 'nah gently caress this' I dropped Mushoku Tensei around the point the author decided it would be really cool to drop all the fantasy adventuring and political scheming and do a high school arc instead. Which is a distressingly common plot trend in this genre, to be frank. I'm starting to think that WN authors are, like, loving magnetically attracted to school life stories. And RPG mechanics. And goddamn adventurers' guilds. I might kill someone the next time I see a story with adventurers' guilds. Not a jury in the land would convict me. Meanwhile in ZTJ: "How many swords are you carrying around right now?" "Like, maybe two or three dozen?" "You are like a little baby- watch this."
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Autonomous Monster posted:I dropped Mushoku Tensei around the point the author decided it would be really cool to drop all the fantasy adventuring and political scheming and do a high school arc instead. Which is a distressingly common plot trend in this genre, to be frank. I'm starting to think that WN authors are, like, loving magnetically attracted to school life stories. And RPG mechanics. And goddamn adventurers' guilds. I might kill someone the next time I see a story with adventurers' guilds. Not a jury in the land would convict me. Well, there's a ubiquitous web novel template, see. It goes a little something like this: An unremarkable high school boy (that's you, reader!) is abruptly summoned into an old castle, where the beautiful young princess of the land tells him they need his help to save the world from being destroyed by the evil demon king. Her fat counsellors see how unremarkable he is and sneer, sending him out with no aid, to find his own way. He stumbles into town, happening upon the adventurers' guild, where he is informed that since he's a newcomer, he will have to start at rank F, hunting goblins or picking herbs, like the local children. Joined by a surprisingly pretty girl who luckily joined the guild the same day, the two set out on their very first quest, but are assailed by a mighty legendary dragon, which the boy manages to crush in one blow, to the utter shock of the pretty companion, who comments how impossible that feat was. The boy returns to the guild, where he is greeted by the guild master in a backroom, and is instantly ranked up to S status, only gained by the most epic of ancient heroes. The guild master, in his wisdom as a veteran, sends the boy and his now girlfriend to the national academy of magic, to hone their latent skills. At the academy, the boy must take an entry test, which results in all the mage elders being stunned as he scores an unheard of 200%, and is immediately placed in the special class. This class is otherwise filled with nothing but the noblest of noble heirs, who ridicule the boy for his shabby outfit and lack of manners, with the very highest ranking student deciding to make the boy the new bully victim for his posse. As the boy proves to be unusually skilled regardless of his hazy background, the pompous noble can no longer stand to let him impress the remaining students, and challenges him to a duel. A new pretty female student rushes to the scene, and angrily tells the pompous guy that as her fiancé he should show more grace than to pick on the weak, and she apologizes profusely to the boy, which only angers the pompous noble even more. The duel ends up taking place in an arena, with the entire student body and all teachers looking on with bated breath, as the boy seemingly invents entirely new magic to defeat the pompous noble, in spite of him having been top student all years prior. All of a sudden, gangs of masked men rush to the scene, attacking the school, grabbing the noble girls in an attempt to kidnap them! But our protagonist manages to fight them off, rescuing the pretty female student just as she's about to get raped by the now enraged pompous noble. In his fury, the pompous noble laughingly declares that the boy is doomed, for his father the powerful royal counsellor has set up a plot to overthrow the kingdom, killing the king and marrying the princess to take all power for himself, meaning the entire army will come after the boy. Flying off with a magic item the boy receives from the dying arch chancellor of the academy, he and his two girlfriends rush to the castle. They are too late to save the king, but come upon an ominous ceremony, where the boy manages to wrest the princess out of the fat counsellor's arms before he can kiss her and seal their marriage. Slightly dazed but overwhelmed by the courage and prowess the boy has displayed, the princess falls madly in love, and against the wishes of her kind uncle, she joins the boy's group on his quest to defeat the demon king. The troupe sets off in a magic wagon, fit with revolutionary suspension that makes it such a comfy ride, and they visit the elven forests for exquisite bows, the dwarven labyrinths for orihalcon swords, and some random village for rice. At some point, the boy invents this crazy dish called sushi, and his by now five girlfriends exclaim wild praise, in spite of having to eat raw fish. Showing extreme kindness and completely new approaches to magical thinking, the boy eventually succeeds in uncovering dormant powers within all the girls, boosting their combined party level to unthinkable heights. Once they reach the demon king's fortress, they are faced with his four greatest lords, and forced to fight them one by one in incredible battles that no mere mortal from home could have even imagined. Finally at the gates of the demon king's throne room, the doors open to a tiny girl, who looks up at him incredulously, and introduces herself as the ancient demon king, but all she ever wanted was the boy's love, which is why she set this entire plan in motion. The other girls are so moved by her story, that they embrace her as a sister, and scold the boy for even hesitating, and demand that he lets the demon king join his harem, and they all live happily ever after. Er, that went on a bit longer than I'd planned. 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I can't wait until the inevitable backlash where everyone gets sick of bland-OP-MC-transported-to-another-world-gains-a-harem over saturation and then we can get actual good stories. The pop culture/media cycle tends to go like this: 1. New idea (or remix/evolution of an old idea) 2. Flood of lovely copycats trying to cash in on the new idea 3. Parodying/self-aware deconstrucitons of the new idea 4. Fatigue from the new idea creating polar opposite versions that cash in on *not* being the new idea 5. Go back to 1 We seem to be getting a good ways into step 3 now. Hopefully step 4 starts showing up in a year or two.
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organism posted:I can't wait until the inevitable backlash where everyone gets sick of bland-OP-MC-transported-to-another-world-gains-a-harem over saturation and then we can get actual good stories. the weird thing for me with the isekai stuff is i've seen avogadro's number of wns about 'summoned hero to defeat the dark lord, except with a twist~' but i've never actually seen whatever the original example is, like an outright story of a person who gets summoned to be a hero and then just loving does it
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Apr 30, 2017 02:18
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UberJew posted:the weird thing for me with the isekai stuff is i've seen avogadro's number of wns about 'summoned hero to defeat the dark lord, except with a twist~' I can't think of a title I've read that follows the "traditional" template route ending with an ultimate demon king battle, although there are some that start in the post-final battle world, kind of like an epilogue story. The title that pops up in my head when I think of ticking the most template boxes is probably World Teacher, but it isn't very good. Might be a fun introduction tour, though. It has reincarnation and exotic cooking and guild quests and "original" spells and magic academy and dungeons and inventions and travelling and arena tournament and a harem with elves and princesses and slaves, at the very least.
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Apr 30, 2017 03:04
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the hero and demon lord stuff is just copying dragon quest, a japanese cultural institution everyone is familiar with to some extent. light novels were already rife with boring mcwishfulfillment, perfectly normal teenage boy who stumbles into a world (sometimes figurative, sometimes literal) of super powers and neon-haired anime girls long before the current trend began.
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