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bio347 posted:I kind of want robo-Russian to try to have a rematch with Daisy only for her to casually take him apart. "Robots? Been there, done that." "Oh cool now you're metal and can resonate" *easily shakes him apart from the inside*
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I really like this show and this story arc in particular. But since I am a giant nerd I have a logical nitpick. Aida and Russian Guy both want to kill the people in the framework but are completely incapable of doing so. But what about their (presumably human) mooks? If Russian Guy would try to kill May like he did before and one of them saw that, they could easily do it themselves. But then again, maybe their core programming is so strong that they would attack anyone who actually tries to harm the sleeping agents. Either way, it feels like kind of a convoluted plan to circumvent that core programming.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I really like this show and this story arc in particular. Yeah, Aida's programming isn't just "don't kill", its "preserve life". Which is how she rationalized killing Radcliffe by preserving his "life" in the Framework but also probably forces her to not say "hey you, kill them." Although I love that scene in Demolition Man.
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So is Aida's plan to just 3d print herself into a non-robotic version of herself?
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ApeHawk posted:So is Aida's plan to just 3d print herself into a non-robotic version of herself? Yeah pretty much. But the doctor told Ophelia that her new body will be stronger. So presumably she wouldn't simply be a weak, squishy human.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:09
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Aida needs to get her hands on some Vibranium and become Mrs. Vision.
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Well if you're going to make yourself a body it better be super human. For as much as I'm loving this season Aida really is just kind of stealing Ultron's scheme, isn't she? Just replace an Infinity Stone with the Darkholde.
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Honestly, it's the same plot from Age of Ultron.Klungar posted:Aida needs to get her hands on some Vibranium and become Mrs. Vision. drat, should have refreshed. efb
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cant cook creole bream posted:Yeah pretty much. But the doctor told Ophelia that her new body will be stronger. So presumably she wouldn't simply be a weak, squishy human. I agree. She's gonna have super strength or something that only
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cant cook creole bream posted:Yeah pretty much. But the doctor told Ophelia that her new body will be stronger. So presumably she wouldn't simply be a weak, squishy human. poo poo, she might become Madam Hydra in the real world
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3 DONG HORSE posted:I agree. She's gonna have super strength or something that only OH MY GOD, IT'S LADY SIF ON THE TOP ROPES!
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RareAcumen posted:OH MY GOD, IT'S LADY SIF ON THE TOP ROPES! GOOD GAWD, SOMEBODY STOP THE drat FRAMEWORK!
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Apr 27, 2017 22:57
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Klungar posted:Aida needs to get her hands on some Vibranium and become Mrs. Vision. Jocasta.
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Phylodox posted:Or maybe realness and personhood are defined by something less mundane than flesh and blood? I am not saying that they can't be people, but unless Aida has some way of digitally recording the mind and personality of every person on earth, including ones who died before she was created, then Hope and Trip will stay dead and what can be brought back will only be good simulations of them. I also wonder whether the framework is actually running 7 billion fully conscious people all the time, or whether some of them are just "cheap" emulations.
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Oasx posted:I am not saying that they can't be people, but unless Aida has some way of digitally recording the mind and personality of every person on earth, including ones who died before she was created, then Hope and Trip will stay dead and what can be brought back will only be good simulations of them. yes!
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Oasx posted:I also wonder whether the framework is actually running 7 billion fully conscious people all the time, or whether some of them are just "cheap" emulations.
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Mage_Boy posted:It's probably using the computer techniques where the heavy duty AI is only simulated when a real person is near by. "Madame one of the Quinjets is having LOD issues, it turns into a gray rectangular brick whenever one of us gets too close to it."
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D1Sergo posted:"Madame one of the Quinjets is having LOD issues, it turns into a gray rectangular brick whenever one of us gets too close to it." I really hope they do a bunch of stuff like that and weird Inception-style tweaks when Gemma inevitably works out how to manipulate the Framework and turns into The One and starts loving poo poo up
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It's real weird that all the characters, except maybe fitz, are going to come out of this knowing they made the right choices in their lives.
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Andrew_1985 posted:Will Deathlok also be in the Framework? They're bringing back everyone else it seems Argument for him not being in the Framework would be similar to why Raina was killed by HYDRA. Mike Peterson could've been a real problem if he got the Centipede infusion in their little world. That said, I miss Gunn. I wish they would bring him back just to solve one little firepower problem like they did in S2. Similarly, Bobbi and Hunter. 
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Oasx posted:I am not saying that they can't be people, but unless Aida has some way of digitally recording the mind and personality of every person on earth, including ones who died before she was created, then Hope and Trip will stay dead and what can be brought back will only be good simulations of them. a) Just because they're not completely based on pre-existing people doesn't make them not-people. Every "real" person on Earth is a unique individual. b) If only Aida had used some form of poorly understood dark magic to help build this alternate world!
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Until they can empirically prove that the whole framework is 100% simulated on mundane computer hardware, as opposed to being a neural interface and some software that uses darkhold magic to transplant a mind into a corresponding body in a parallel dimension that has had its reality altered by magic to diverge slightly, it's probably safer to err on the side of the framework residents being real people.
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That seems backwards to me. Occam's Razor suggests that all the non-sleepers are just constructed simulations, not "alternate reality people." We know that Radcliffe (and Fitz) had been working on an artificial reality since the beginning of the season and that Radcliffe had always intended to place Agnes in there eventually, so there's no reason to think that the Framework is anything other than the culmination of that project and not, y'know, everyone teleporting to a whole other reality and...what, replacing their alternate selves there? Now, there's certainly a point to be made that these constructed simulations could be considered real "people" if they're advanced and autonomous enough, but this whole "other world" spiel was just the lie Aida fed to Fitz to get him to make help her cross over. Simmons even immediately identified Fitz's machine as a matter creator and not a...dimensional transporter or whatever. Don't be so easily hoodwinked by the Hydra lies, friends.
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The show certainly seems to be leaning towards the Framework denizens being real. Simmons' absolute certainty that no one except those plugged into the computer matters smacks of hubris, and you don't introduce that without planning on undermining it. My pet theory is that Fitz will get himself back, but decide to stay in the Framework in order to help fix the world he had a hand in loving up. I suppose he'll have to periodically unplug, since they mentioned that prolonged use of the Framework kills you eventually.
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Slashrat posted:Until they can empirically prove that the whole framework is 100% simulated on mundane computer hardware, as opposed to being a neural interface and some software that uses darkhold magic to transplant a mind into a corresponding body in a parallel dimension that has had its reality altered by magic to diverge slightly, it's probably safer to err on the side of the framework residents being real people. I believe they mentioned earlier in the season that they also stole that bit from Ultron: the framework is the ultimate malware, taking up processing cycles on every bit of hardware it can find. Hell, if you want to take that to an extreme, the simulation might be borrowing from the data that it finds on these devices to build up real people profiles for avatars in the framework.
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I think Ophelia plans on getting a human body in the real world and then immediately turning off the Framework because it will no longer be necessary and she'll be able to stop "preserving life". The fact that Fitz wants to come out with her makes me wonder if she's going to build Framework Fitz a new body or just wake up his old one. He's also the only person that isn't showing signs of who he was in the real world. Everybody else is, and Aida even commented on it, that they can't escape their roles. Sure, she called Fitz a "romantic" but that seems a stretch to be honest. I just really don't know how they will reconcile Fitz when this is all over. Anyway, Ophelia / Aida is the one who will murder 7 billion people and not even blink while doing it.
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I bet they'll fail to stop Aida's new body being created, but they'll stop the Fitz double coming fully online. Then, as a season cliffhanger, we'll see the Fitz robot wake up in the ruined SHIELD base. Or not. They might want to get away from robots next season.
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I want Fitz versus Fitz and if it's necessary to dress them as White Spy and Black Spy then that's a price I'm willing to pay.
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Apr 28, 2017 16:20
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I think Fitz is the most messed up because his "regret" stretches back the farthest in having his father always in his life. Everyone else's "regrets" were later in life meaning they had the same upbringing etc that lead them to where they are in the real world.
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Oasx posted:I am not saying that they can't be people, but unless Aida has some way of digitally recording the mind and personality of every person on earth, including ones who died before she was created, then Hope and Trip will stay dead and what can be brought back will only be good simulations of them. Can we settle this once and for all; this is the dialogue from the last ep of the LMD arc: Daisy: "It's a duplicate of our world." Yo-yo: "Populated. With all the people in the world. How could they build such a--" Daisy: "The Darkhold." Even Daisy knows that when it's magic she don't have to explain poo poo.
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Aleph Null posted:I hate Fitz' dad more than I've ever hated a fictional character before.
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Balon posted:I think Fitz is the most messed up because his "regret" stretches back the farthest in having his father always in his life. Everyone else's "regrets" were later in life meaning they had the same upbringing etc that lead them to where they are in the real world. Fitz is also the only one being constantly monitored by people that know exactly what's going on (Aida and the construct of his father), he is being way more closely guarded/used/trained/tricked/brainwashed than anyone else is/was.
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In this universe, Simmons never managed to use the cosmic cube in order to change Fitz from his true personality.
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