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Febreeze posted:Holy poo poo the bears are so dumb they better pray Trubes turns into a star lol the dude is a loving bum
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Hot Diggity! posted:Lmao bears
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Dexo posted:I mean there is a way to defend it. Yes, but why on earth would the Bears think that about him when they never met him, never worked him out, and never talked to him to let him know they were drafting him? We all know how badly QBs can bust even when teams do their due diligence. There's no due diligence here. It's literally throwing a dart in a dark room with a blindfold on and hoping for a bullseye. It will be an absolute miracle if this guy plays one iota better than Jimmy Clausen.
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R.D. Mangles posted:i'm pretty sure the nfl will literally cease to exist before the bears are ever good again, we've got like what, 20 years or so before the horrifying barbarity of professional football ceases to be acceptable I've been saying this about the Lions for a couple years now, quit cribbing my style. Fellow Lions fans who actually paid attention to the leadup to the draft, tell me why I should or shouldn't be excited for this Davis guy.
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C-Euro posted:I've been saying this about the Lions for a couple years now, quit cribbing my style. He's not a Tight End
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I spent half an hour yesterday telling people this would be the highest pick of our lifetime as bears fans because the franchise makes safe mediocre moves and doesn't gamble and will never pick super high then this happened
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I'm 99% sure the Bears could've swung a trade for Cousins by giving up less than they did to get Trubisky. I'm starting to wonder if Ryan Pace makes it to the 2018 season. The Bears nearly cleaned house last year. Pace was thought to be safe because he was new and his draft picks have been good. This offseason? 1.Team bid against itself for Mike loving Glennon 2. Stephon Gilmore wanted to sign with the Bears, but the team wouldn't give him a good offer, because they were bidding against themselves with Mike Glennon 3.Let Alshon Jeffery hit the FA market as a bargaining maneuver, only to see him sign with the Eagles immediately 4. Gave up three picks for a QB they barely scouted. A QB who probably would've been there at 3 anyway. Emanuel Collective fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Emanuel Collective posted:I'm 99% sure the Bears could've swung a trade for Cousins by giving up less than they did to get Trubisky Yeah but Mitch could turn out to be as good as anyone. Maybe even as good as Cousins! I'm super excited for bears fans to clamor for cutler to return about ten games into the season after we get 2 games of Glennon before he shatters, sanchize has a 6 turnover game, then Mitch has a bunch of sub 100 yard ones.
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LabyaMynora posted:Yes, but why on earth would the Bears think that about him when they never met him, never worked him out, and never talked to him to let him know they were drafting him? Turns out they did. They and his camp were just able to keep it on the low. They had a private workout with him and meetings that the media didbt get wind of. Outside of the initial shock I'm fine with this. Like other posters have said it's the Bears finally not being conservative as gently caress and actually throwing resources at QB and if they like Mitch then they like Mitch. If this works then great we have a QB, if it doesn't work then we get another GM and scouting division and keep on getting early picks to throw at it. I generally have liked Pace's drafting though his 1st round picks have both had unlucky injury problems. gently caress Fox tho. Put Pace and Trubiski on the cover of SI in a wedding dress and a suit. I just want finally want a loving QB or someone to put hope even if its false hope into.
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C-Euro posted:I've been saying this about the Lions for a couple years now, quit cribbing my style. He is a linebacker and we needed one (I did not pay attention to the leadup to the draft)
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reminder that either the bears spent 18m on a QB they won't play or they'll try to make Mitch the first successful QB to sit since Jay cutler over a decade ago
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mastershakeman posted:reminder that either the bears spent 18m on a QB they won't play or Who cares. Glennon's contract is set up so he can be shitcanned after a year. The Bears had the cap space and got a stopgap QB who has more "upside potential" than Hoyer or Barkley. And they structured the deal so it won't kill them People need to stop caring about NFL contracts. As they are almost never as bad as they seem, as the NFL's player's contracts are the most malleable contract in sports. Also Aaron Rodgers sat for like 3 years or so and he's more recent than Cutler, also Kirk Cousins. I don't think this is going to work out. But gently caress, at least someone did something bold and are taking risks. Rather than taking these safe rear end picks for more mediocrity. Being bad going all in, is better than being bad and losing by a thousand cuts. Dexo fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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rodgers got drafted a year before cutler fyi forgot to mention. saw a gruden segment where he had to teach mitch what a hard count was, Mitch had no idea about going on 2. probably because 98% of his snaps were in shotgun but yeah overall I agree. the bears have never taken risks for a super long time and this is a huge cultural shift that's honestly for the best long term. they just chose the wrong year to do it
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mastershakeman posted:rodgers got drafted a year before cutler fyi oh yeah I'm an idiot then But yeah, I'm at the point where who cares. a QB is more important than some 3rd or 4th round picks. And if you think you're right on the QB then go ahead and sign your name in ink on that motherfucker, and do whatever it takes to get him. Hell Pace loved Mariota and was trying like hell to trade up to draft him. And Pace has generally done fairly well drafting outside of the first rounders who keep getting hurt. And legitimately I dunno how much I can blame him for that. I'm just gonna give Pace the benefit of the doubt and then
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Not just Mariota. Last year, the Bears were supposedly high on Wentz. Someone also said last night that Jacksonville was looking at trading up. We know Cleveland was interested in trading up for Trubisky and were actually considering trading up. Now that I have had a night to sleep on it, I am not as annoyed. He wasn't my favorite, but I only watched a little tape of him. I've already said I like this QB class better than last years, and judging by the first round we just had, so did a lot of the NFL. I absolutely hate trading up, but I think there is a good chance the Bears trade down from two to get more picks tiday. And considering that this draft is supposed to be stacked on defense, maybe losing a third, but gaining an extra fourth this year by trading down will net the same level of quality. I also don't think the Bears believe they need as many players as their fan base does. They invested a lot of draft capital last year on defense. They probably expect a lot of that to yield a return this year. If they get Cam or Lamp in the second, I will end up feeling a lot better.
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Dexo posted:The Bears gave up some 3rd and 4th round lottery tickets for a guy they think is legit. A decade of Lovie Smith era drafting has led me to believe the 4th round is a worthless pick anyway. If he's your guy go get him, QB is bar none the most important thing. What bothers me is 1. I have no confidence in the coaching staff 2. The FO met with him at the combine and maybe one other workout but otherwise was invisible to him. 3. People are saying nobody wanted to come up to 2 anyway. That could be bullshit, who knows for sure. And realistically it's more embarrassing than anything else but still is the cherry on top. Mike Glennon's contract is irrelevant but panicking to jump one spot up to draft a guy you had minimal contact with but still believe could be a franchise player is a bad look, regardless of how good or bad he ends up being. That's mainly what I'm upset about, the whole thing makes the FO look like they don't know what they're doing
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GNU Order posted:A decade of Lovie Smith era drafting has led me to believe the 4th round is a worthless pick anyway. If he's your guy go get him, QB is bar none the most important thing. What bothers me is 1. I have none in the coaching staff, good thing they are likely fired after this year. 2. I think most NFL teams outthink themselves often. After the combine nothing really matters(and the combine's value is only meeting with players). I Trust game tape more than numbers people who are specifically training for their pro days, and their combine numbers in shorts. How many combine and pro day work out warriors have actually worked out. Meanwhile Teddy had a bad pro-day and dropped and played well before an unfortunate injury. 3. The Bears could be lying, or Other GM's could be lying because they are seeing the reaction the Bears got, but Pace was talking about how he was fielding calls for the third pick, and his feelers were telling him that people were calling the Niners for QB's. Could be wrong, hell maybe he got played. But If you think the QB is that dude then you go for it. It takes a ton of balls to put your name on the line and do that for a QB. Because you are now attached to that QB no matter how well the rest of your drafts are. Pace's fate is now tied to Trubisky. Yeah Mike Glennon is a 1 year prove it deal. If Glennon is good you can trade him and his contract that are essentially consecutive one year deals. If Glennon is great(lmao) you have Trubisky behind him and can trade him, or any number of permutations. If Both are bad then Pace is gone and we get more early picks to build a team around.
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I'm just going to tell myself Mike Glennon is Matt Flynn and trubinsky is Wilson. too bad john fox will never make the call Pete Carroll did I wanted oj Howard since he was the only guy without question marks really. high floor high ceiling. same with Adams but I didn't value ss as much none of the wrs blew me away and none would be worth taking after letting alshon walk, Solomon Thomas didn't fit , lattimore and Hooker and Allen and a ton of others had injuries, etc it doesn't help that the bears are the worst team in the NFL at drafting 1st rounders this century. at least Cleveland got Joe Thomas, the bears best two guys are a defensive tackle who broke and a right guard, aka the least important position mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm curious who the Bears would have drafted (or who you would have wanted the Bears to draft) instead if they'd stayed put at 3. A guy who will be in the NFL in four years.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I'm curious who the Bears would have drafted (or who you would have wanted the Bears to draft) instead if they'd stayed put at 3. I liked Adams. Edit: https://twitter.com/ZachZaidman/status/857776488787173380 He already knows how to endear himself to Dumb Bears fans. Keep in mind. This dude was like 3 or 4 when Payton died 
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Based on what I've seen of him in interviews, Mitch has the potential to be endearingly stupid or maddeningly stupid Let's hope we've got ourselves an Eli
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xbilkis posted:Based on what I've seen of him in interviews, Mitch has the potential to be endearingly stupid or maddeningly stupid Ugh, I hope he's better than Eli.
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Dexo I feel you man and yeah of course if Trubisky pans out then it's all worth it. I think most of the laughing is that the dude is a total goober who loves titties and the Packers (yo), and the Bears probably got played, but they made their swing-for-the-fences pick and that's fine. I think the smarter move is to acquire lots of picks in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory since it's going to be a couple of years before the Bears are competing for the division anyway and this draft is so good for defense that you could really give yourself a young core from which to build. Chances are pretty decent that the Bears have another top 10 pick next year and the QB class there is pretty much universally thought to be more exciting than this crop. But it's nice to have a high profile guy to be excited about! And it fills the time between now and training camp, meanwhile my team will trade all their picks away to stockpile even more picks for *farts*
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OSheaman posted:Dexo I feel you man and yeah of course if Trubisky pans out then it's all worth it. I think most of the laughing is that the dude is a total goober who loves titties and the Packers (yo), and the Bears probably got played, but they made their swing-for-the-fences pick and that's fine. I think the smarter move is to acquire lots of picks in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory since it's going to be a couple of years before the Bears are competing for the division anyway and this draft is so good for defense that you could really give yourself a young core from which to build. Chances are pretty decent that the Bears have another top 10 pick next year and the QB class there is pretty much universally thought to be more exciting than this crop. The thing is a team can be complete dogshit outside of QB and if the QB is good the team is competing. The Packers have rolled out some hot garbage on defense, and mediocrity on offense when Nelson has been hurt. And Aaron Rodgers has often single handedly covered up for how subpar the vaunted Packer's front office has been at drafting recently. Also Next year's class is always better. Until the top QB prospect sucks in college for whatever reason, and people actually start scouting and dissecting their game in depth. The Colts when Luck are healthy are capable of winning 10 games(albeit in a weaker division) and Luck has absolutely nothing around him. Mitch has to be that dude, or else Pace is fired and the Bears get another shot at a top 5 pick. Edit: And I totally get the laughing. As i was right there. But at some point I just realized it doesn't matter. I prefer my football teams being at one of two ends of the spectrum after years and years of mediocrity between 6-10 - 9-7. Come back to me after 2 more years of comical badness and I might feel differently. But for now I don't mind it. Dexo fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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No I get that and yeah the system is definitely set up (much like the NBA) where mediocrity is sometimes the worst thing that can happen to a franchise. I just feel like the opposite is sometimes also true, like the Broncos dragging Manning's corpse to a Super Bowl, and I just feel like this year is a chance to reload and plug a lot of holes to prep for a shot at the top guy next year. And my memory may be wrong here but I remember people saying this year's QB class was underwhelming long before the draft hype kicked in.
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OSheaman posted:No I get that and yeah the system is definitely set up (much like the NBA) where mediocrity is sometimes the worst thing that can happen to a franchise. I just feel like the opposite is sometimes also true, like the Broncos dragging Manning's corpse to a Super Bowl, and I just feel like this year is a chance to reload and plug a lot of holes to prep for a shot at the top guy next year. Like I said it's obvious by how much he gave up that Pace really really really loving likes Trubisky. If he's willing to put that much faith in the guy. Then I'll let him cook. Pace is literally singularly tying his job and future prospects to him. If he's that confident and willing to do that then I'll give him a shot.
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I think the jury's still out on Trubisky as a quarterback but the jury is definitely not out on the trade being very very funny and Trubisky being a Packers and tittiess fan. I can't see Fox lasting past this season. Do you think Pace has his eye on some young offensive coordinator who will be able to coach up Trubisky?
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SKULL.GIF posted:Do you think Pace has his eye on some young offensive coordinator who will be able to coach up Trubisky? How about the impeccable pedigree and Saints background of Joe Lombardi?
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SKULL.GIF posted:I think the jury's still out on Trubisky as a quarterback but the jury is definitely not out on the trade being very very funny and Trubisky being a Packers and tittiess fan. Dowell Loggins isn't sexy enough for you?  I also don't think the Bears are that far away from being competitive. They have completely churned over the defensive roster with young, talented guys. The secondary will still have a bunch of second year players, of which hopefully a couple will be starter quality. On offense, they have invested in RB, OL and WR. The problem is they don't have a QB (or a TE). Also, they really need to upgrade LT.
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