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ZiegeDame posted:Also, I think trying to deny the existence of the meta-world is pointless, because Bern and Lambda show Higurashi is canon, and magic is 100% real in Higurashi. Eh. Perhaps Higurashi being canon just means that literally Higurashi is canon, and someone played it, and imagined characters from it as terrible lolis or whatever. It may be that this is a fool's errand, but I'm going to stick with it as long as possible.
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Rodyle posted:Please respect the almighty origin witch of theatergoing, Featherine Augutus Aurora. ....Maria?
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Artificer posted:....Maria? Maria is Uu Uu. A certain someone else is Au Au.
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ZiegeDame posted:Also, I think trying to deny the existence of the meta-world is pointless, because Bern and Lambda show Higurashi is canon, and magic is 100% real in Higurashi. It's canon in the same way all of the prior episodes are canon. I think Bern and Lambda referred to it as a separate fragment even as early as their first introduction, meaning it's an entirely different parallel universe. That's not to say there's no Hinamizawa in Umineko, but it's only relevant as the origin/earlier games of Lambda and Bern...who, if you take magic as fake, are not real either. In other words, Hinamizawa's relevance is a catbox within the catbox - it's only canon if you believe Bern and Lambda are real. "Magic is real only if magic is real" is a hell of a tautology.
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KataraniSword posted:It's canon in the same way all of the prior episodes are canon. I think Bern and Lambda referred to it as a separate fragment even as early as their first introduction, meaning it's an entirely different parallel universe. Basically I'm just saying take some Everett with your Schrodinger. Or, they are 5+-dimensional beings that cannot meaningfully interact with our 4-dimensional world. It's not Fantasy, it's Sci-Fi  e: really, I just think trying to disprove the existence of the meta-layer is about as fruitful as trying to disprove the existence of The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Let's Play! > Bern & Lambda's Magical Hint Corner - Let's Play Umineko Chiru ZiegeDame fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Apr 29, 2017 |
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bman in 2288 posted:Wow. Am I R07? She's another reference to another Higurashi character. Higurashi Spoilers: The character being referenced Hanyu, and she is in fact the god "Oyashiro-sama" that everything thinks is the one cursing the people of Hinamizawa. She is however not the one causing the tragic incidents. In most Fragments Rika is the only one who can see or hear her. She's the one responsible for sending Rika back in time each time everything goes horribly in Hinamizawa. She's shown a young girl with horns. One little phrase she constantly says is "Au Au"...
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ZiegeDame posted:Basically I'm just saying take some Everett with your Schrodinger. Or, they are 5+-dimensional beings that cannot meaningfully interact with our 4-dimensional world. It's not Fantasy, it's Sci-Fi Clark's 3rd; Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic!  But nah, all I was saying is that Higurashi exists but "not here". Unless you're the Umineko anime, in which case Higurashi was totally what Maria was watching on TV in Ep1.
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lotus circle posted:There's actually a graph for all of this, but it contains spoilers so it can't be posted yet. Game board > meta >in-game real world > real world > Bern & Lambda's Magical Hint Corner - Let's Play Umineko Chiru > Discord #witchchat 
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idonotlikepeas posted:...I was a bit worried when she vanished for a chapter, but her coming back here makes me feel a lot more comfortable about this, and about the canonicity of Eva as the sole survivor. We've never actually seen Battler die either, and the implication that he can only "die" if he stops thinking probably means he's either in a coma or he has amnesia. If we assume that the "real" Battler somehow came into contact with the letters (either someone [like Eva] read it to him if he's in a coma, or maybe his reading of them "broke" his amnesia), then he might have realized that they aren't the truth (or at least, the full truth) and thus tried to recall what really happened himself. Given all this meta stuff, his ascension to "game master" likely means that he wrote the story himself according to what seems "right" to him, even if it seemingly goes against the given evidence. Also, Augy Au looks kinda like an older Bern, who is now indirectly(?) trying to marry Battler through Erika. I'll probably cackle like a madman if he really IS married to a self-proclaimed intellectual rapist. Maybe Erika has an older sister in the real world who taught her all she knows?
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thetruegentleman posted:We've never actually seen Battler die either, Eva shot him in Episode 3
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Speaking of episode three, here goes. Extra challenge for Episode 3, come up with the most charitable view of Eva possible. Episode 3 First Twilight: Kanon gets Shannon to play dead in the parlor, possibly as part of some plan to get Krauss and Natsushi to come clean about Kinzo’s death. Or I should say Sayo, ‘Shannon’ died the moment she accepted George’s ring. As Sayo is discovered first, she has no idea that actual murders have occurred. Kanon/Beatrice likewise plays dead in the chapel. Nanjo has been paid off to say everyone is dead. Closed room circle defeated. Next, Eva solves the epitaph and finds the gold room. Beatrice meets her there and says “Congratulations, I’m still gonna kill a bunch more people, but since you won the game I’ll let you live if you don’t tell anyone about me.” Eva feigns an illness to keep Hideyoshi by her side in hopes that he won’t be one of the people killed. Meanwhile, Nanjo doesn’t know what the gently caress to do with both of his co-conspirators gone, so he hides away in his room all day and hopes nobody asks him any questions. Second Twilight: Eva notices Rosa and Maria leave the guesthouse, and sneaks out to warn them while Hideyoshi has a smoke, but she’s too late and at best she gets to watch as Beatrice dunks Rosa’s head on a fence spike. Not wanting to draw suspicion to herself or catch the killers ire, she sneaks back to her room and tells Hideyoshi to provide an alibi for her. The Hall: Kyrie and Rudolf lure Hideyoshi to the mansion to question him about the false alibi he provided for Eva. While this happens they are ambushed by Beatrice and Rudolf and Kyrie are killed. Hideyoshi is given the chance to flee, but decides to play hero instead. It goes poorly for him. At this point Sayo knows something is up, but if she shows herself at this point she knows she’s suspect number one, so she finds Beatrice and asks to be able to speak to George alone. The Guesthouse: First, Beatrice uses a ladder to climb in through Nanjo’s window, which he of course unlocked. Beatrice meets George in the hallway, and offers to take him to Shannon, and out the window they go, with Nanjo locking up behind them. Cue heartwarming reunion and sudden but inevitable betrayal. George and Sayo are now dead. (Probably, see previous musings on the subject.) Beatrice now returns to the guesthouse, waits for Eva to use the toilet, and gets the drop on Krauss, sticking him up form behind and taking his gun. Krauss and Natsushi are now marched out the front door, with liberal application of threats to Jessica keeping them from calling out. After they all leave the handy Nanjo-brand auto-lock kicks in again. And, of course, in the mansion outside the servant’s room, Beatrice walks up and shoots Nanjo right in the face. He really should have seen it coming after Kumasawa. Bonus round: It’s possible that Beatrice let on to Eva that Battler was important to her in some way, so once her whole family and any witnesses are dead she just shoots him out of spite before escaping to Kuwadorian. Please shoot my theories full of holes.
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https://imgur.com/YUnALKM So yeah, here's our 3rd Higurashi character. In Higurashi her brain was scrambled and her power diminished without her memory device functioning.
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 List of Red Truth. Pretty sure I got it all. Covers episodes 2-4 at the moment, I'll add the EP5 stuff later.ZiegeDame posted:Please shoot my theories full of holes. I need just one bullet:  "I keep my promises. If you solve the riddle of the epitaph, you should be able to reach the Golden Land. When you do, the ceremony will end. No more people will die."
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Two possibilities: 'You' in this case refers only to Battler, the murders only stop if Battler reaches the Golden Land. But that doesn't really fit the spirit of keeping promises. Because Eva did not announce her discovery, Beatrice did not know the riddle had been solved, so the killings continued. This requires a few adjustments to my scenario and shift's Eva's motivation, but it's not dead yet. Of course, I could just fall back on Eva did it, but I wouldn't be doing all this if I was ready to stop thinking. e: or maybe There's a part of the epitaph that nobody has solved yet, and just finding the room with all the gold isn't fully solving the riddle. I mean, Battler finds the gold in Ep 5, announces it to everyone, and people still die. Of course, Lambdadelta has never claimed to keep her promises, at least not in red. ZiegeDame fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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ZiegeDame posted:Two possibilities: 'You' in this case refers only to Battler, the murders only stop if Battler reaches the Golden Land. But that doesn't really fit the spirit of keeping promises. Because Eva did not announce her discovery, Beatrice did not know the riddle had been solved, so the killings continued. This requires a few adjustments to my scenario and shift's Eva's motivation, but it's not dead yet. Of course, I could just fall back on Eva did it, but I wouldn't be doing all this if I was ready to stop thinking. If Eva never met Beatrice, how did she get the Head's ring that she later gave to Ange? Just found it lying around somewhere by chance? There was no letter in EP5 and therefore no promise to stop killing. Besides, if Battler's a culprit/accomplice in that game like he suggested, him finding the gold could be part of the plan anyway.
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Dr Pepper posted:Eva shot him in Episode 3 Read the 3rd game's results: where does it Battler was killed? Besides that, Beato used magic to create that specific scenario, so "Eva shot Battler" is no different than accepting that the murders were caused by a witch in the first place That's a worthless result, no different from "A golden snake fired by a pair of Bunny Girls dressed in combat leotards killed Rudolf and Kyrie". That is a good remember though: a mundane result that can only arise from magic is still magic. thetruegentleman fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 1, 2017 |
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thetruegentleman posted:Read the 3rd game's results: where does it Battler was killed? At the end of this video
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ZiegeDame posted:At the end of this video It says "Ushiromiya Battler died on the Ninth Twilight", but we already know names are worthless from the exchange, "Ushiromiya Battler's mother is Ushiromiya Asumu. (Used by Battler.) My name is Ushiromiya Battler It was from Ushiromiya Asumu that Ushiromiya Battler was born." It was from Ushiro (Battler fails to say Asumu) "You are not Ushiromiya Asumu's son" that names alone act like titles: if Battler has amnesia, or otherwise isn't in a condition to remember his time as "Ushiromiya Battler", then "Ushiromiya Battler" is dead. More importantly, Ange told Battler "And then, .........come home to me......!!!" in Red. How can Battler defeat Beatrice and then return home if he's dead? A dead person can't really do a whole lot. In other words,"Ushiromiya Battler" died, but he wasn't killed, and Battler himself isn't actually Kinzo-definite dead.
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thetruegentleman posted:Besides that, Beato used magic to create that specific scenario, so "Eva shot Battler" is no different than accepting that the murders were caused by a witch in the first place The detective was shot, pretty sure that's enough to be objective And yes I obviously knew that but come on don't link the goddamn wiki, the "recent wiki activity" alone is potentially enough to be spoilery
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The only other person who is for-sure-Kinzo-dead post-1986 is Maria (that or she's wandering around without her jaw) Alternate Episode 3 - gently caress Eva Edition The first twilight is the same as above, except Sayo is probably just dead. For the 2nd, Eva kills Rosa and Maria to keep all the gold for herself. Also kills Rudolf and Kyrie for the same reason. Hideyoshi witnesses this and is not down with the serial homicide. When he says he'll have to turn Eva in, she panics and shoots him without thinking. Later, Beatrice is pissed that Eva's killing spree is making her look like a liar, so she lures George out and kills him to make Eva suffer. Meanwhile Eva is busy killing Krauss and Natsushi while threatening Jessica to keep them from fighting back. Later, Beatrice kills Nanjo to make sure he doesn't tell anyone about the murder conspiracy he was bribed in to, then tries to get Jessica to a hiding place where Eva won't find her. Then she either kills herself or fucks off to Thailand, her plan having gone so thoroughly off the rails thanks to Eva's bloodlust. I do not like this theory. It is severely lacking in love.
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That hasn't been said yet, I don't think. No current game spoilers even in black boxes, wasn't that the rule? Also, I've said it once, I'll say it again: They aren't the same person, and they can't be the same person. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can elaborate all the way without more information revealed. Maybe not even until we reach the climax of CH8.
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Fates End posted:That hasn't been said yet, I don't think. No current game spoilers even in black boxes, wasn't that the rule? Though frankly I think it should be said that much like how Bern =/= Rika, and Lambda =/= Takano, Featherine =/= Hanyuu in the same fashion.
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Alright, this just got really meta on another level. Glad to be introduced to a character on the magic side that I didn't want immediately thrown out a window. That hasn't happened in a while, glad to have a character that seems pretty cool off the bat and hopefully won't give me a headache aside from this being meta as hell.
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lotus circle posted:Higurashi spoilers are fine in black box, and the device is mentioned in Featherine's profile. It was mentioned, but not the rest about it. I'd contest part of the spoiler box, but that's also something I can't talk about until later this chapter. Fates End fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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We're not really going to get more info in Umineko about Higurashi connections. They're somewhere between vague hints and inside jokes for Higurashi fans. I don't consider that info to be Umineko spoilers.
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ProfessorProf posted:We're not really going to get more info in Umineko about Higurashi connections. They're somewhere between vague hints and inside jokes for Higurashi fans. I don't consider that info to be Umineko spoilers. Well, there's still that thing [that I said I couldn't talk about], and for me, at least, that's the one piece that made the exacts of her connection to Higurashi fall into place. E:vv My point (that I tried to hint at as vaguely as possible, and I consider that vagueness about a bigger spoiler on par with outright stating that smaller Featherine related spoiler) was that there IS a big block of info, and it's spoilery. As you've just said. v Probably be best for you to edit it out too. Fates End fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Fates End posted:Well, there's still Bernkastel's typewriter, and for me, at least, that's the one piece that made the exacts of her connection to Higurashi fall into place. Oi, that thing in the spoiler hasn't come up yet, please edit it out.
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Fates End, don't use black bars to refer to future Umineko events. thetruegentleman, don't link to the goddamn wiki.
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I've been traveling until just recently, so it took me some time to catch up. I had also lost my love, and without that, there's no motivation to solve the problem here, as we saw previously... So these observations are a little late and not crucial, but here's two small things. Regarding the epitaph, if quadrillion is the answer and it refers to the old capital of Kyoto, then here's some trivia question I don't think was mentioned? Kyoto is surrounded on three sides by mountains. Only the south is clear (it's a basin). If you get lost in Kyoto, look for the direction with no mountains and you can orient yourself. The Kyoto clue may have been a direction to head south as the final step to locate the gold. (I was in Kyoto last week and my guide demonstrated this. She is quite a cool lady.) The second thing is even less important, but I thought it was funny. The same guide who showed me around Kyoto happened to point out a couple in Shinto wedding garb and said that some folks used to believe that all women have horns and that we hide them upon marrying. That was the reason for the bridal headdress. Featherine is clear for shipping, then!
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This is incredibly helpful! Thanks! idonotlikepeas posted:That is literally my hypothesis. Well, "hallucination" might be putting it a little strongly. Imagining, symbolic representation of her thoughts, something like that. I think i said as much partway through the last Ange chapter. It's the only way I can make the meta make sense without magic. it's a representation of the nature of stories, and it's Ange's representation of that. Battler is the central figure because he's the one she wants back most desperately. I was a bit worried when she vanished for a chapter, but her coming back here makes me feel a lot more comfortable about this, and about the canonicity of Eva as the sole survivor. I still think the endgame of this story is a world with both Battler and Ange alive somehow, and if we're denying magic wholesale, we have to either posit "Battler alive and in hiding" (possible, they do say they never found his body, don't they?) or time travel to resolve this. Time travel's more on the cards than it was an update a go, as Featherine somehow has a floating memory device, which possibly suggests a "Witches as aliens/transhumans" theory. (Beatrice was alien nanotech all along.) But that aside, the more complicated the metagame gets, the more I question it as a representation of anything. What does Erika marrying brain-dead Battler signify? CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 12:30 on May 1, 2017 |
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 Now, however, an unusually large number of people were present.  BGM: The Great Detective Knows  "...I don't care what... as long as it's fun enough to relieve my boredom as I crush it." "Leave everything to me, my master! I will perform to my fullest and give you the results you desire!" "Yeah, you'd better. I kept making strange faces all the time last game thanks to you... Thought I might start getting wrinkles." "Th, there's no need to worry. The beauty of my master's face is without peer, no matter how wrinkly it may get." "...!!!" "Eheheheh! It's rare to see Bern in such high spirits. Beato's game board really is something else."  "A tiger dies and leaves behind its hide. Looks like Beato has died and left behind her game." "Even though chess still exists, no one knows the name of the person who invented it." "Oh, you're right! Kyahahaha, poor game inventors!" "Come to think of it, Battler-san has really kept us waiting, hasn't he? Is he still setting up the sixth game?" "...Gertrude. How have Lord BATTLER's preparations PROGRESSED?" "Please, allow me to speak. Know that he will be finished very soon." "If he's kept us waiting this long, he must be pretty confident in his plan. He really humiliated me in front of my master last time. I'll defeat him no matter what it takes...!" "And you in particular! Make sure you don't screw up again...!" "...I will meet the challenge with all of my strength." However, in order to prove it, Battler would have to run this game by himself and carry it through to completion. In other words, if Erika could crush this game of Battler's, she would, in effect, wipe away the dishonor of that last game. Though Erika was chomping at the bit to get started, it was taking Battler quite some time to show himself. At that time, a swarm of gold butterflies popped into existence and formed a human shape. From the shape of that familiar dress, everyone immediately realized who it was.  Video: The Reborn BeatriceBGM: The Candles Dance  "Ah, look, it's Beatrice-san. And I thought you'd died and disappeared last time." "...Beatrice the player is the one who died last time. This is probably just a piece... Battler's piece." "Even if she is a piece, it does not change the fact that it is HER."Beatrice gave an elegant curtsy as she appeared. This humble entrance was so vastly different from her usual high-pitched laugh that it made the long-awaited start of the 6th game feel even more ominous than it otherwise would have...   "...Aha. Father? What's that? Is this some new scheme?"Not only had Beato started talking in an unusually polite manner, she had also used the word 'Father'... probably referring to Battler. For an instant, everyone was stunned into silence, but they quickly realized that this was setting up some kind of scheme, and they grinned. Beato wasn't the type who could keep up this kind of act for long. It would probably fall apart in a few seconds, leaving her laughing and cackling rudely at everyone. Erika, who was itching for a fight, went for Beato almost at once. "I can't believe that incompetent Battler-san reached the truth of your game." "...I'm sure Father understands it quite deeply. He really is good at that sort of thing." "...You're pretty lucky, aren't you? If Battler hadn't become the Game Master, you wouldn't have revived again. Or maybe I should say you're really unlucky." "...Unlucky?" "Well, after all, I'm going to pay you back in full for last time." "You're just one of Battler's delusions, so I'll erase every part of you and knock you down into the abyss of oblivion." "I too cannot allow you such an easy victory. I, uh, look forward to having a good, clean fight." BGM: None By this point, everyone realized that something weird was going on. There was no doubt that the face, the dress, and the hair were all Beatrice's. However, her expression was different. Even though she had Beato's face, Beato would never show anyone an expression like that. "..." "...Just who... are you?"There was a heavy silence. Lambdadelta spoke for everyone there. At first, Beato had worn a smiling yet blank expression. However, when she realized that the mood had gone suddenly stiff, her expression finally darkened, and she hung her head.  BGM: Witch in Gold (cembalo) "...You appear to be Lady Beatrice... but is that TRUE...?"Even Dlanor was forced to ask despite the rudeness of the question. That was how much... this woman... who appeared to be Beato... was not.  "...Am I somehow different... from the Beatrice everyone was expecting?" "What... are you talking about?" "Wait a second, don't tell me you have amnesia or something...?" "I, I was only born recently, so I have no memories at all. H, however, I will study hard... in order to become the Beatrice you all expect-" BGM: Rose Battler's voice came out of nowhere. His tone was very slightly cold. Beato's expression looked like that of a young girl being scolded. With a swirl of gold butterflies, Battler appeared. His dignified bearing and appearance were fitting for the ruler of this game. However, his expression was gloomy... and his gaze was directed at Beato.   "I, I just wanted to help you however I could, Father..." "Go. To your room."He spoke both softly and forcefully. Battler didn't leave her any room for debate. Beato hung her head and curtsied as she prepared to leave the room...  "Also." "Y, yes, what is it, Father?" "...My name is Battler. Never call me by another name again." "...Y... yes."Beato melted into a swarm of butterflies and disappeared. This was the first part of the tale with Battler as the Game Master. The witches had all expected him to come forward with some flashy, big developments, so they were all fairly confused. Their mouths were still hanging open.  "Pardon me. Please forget what you saw just now." "Hmph, so, are you trying to trick us with this? You're scheming to give us the wrong impression, like another North Wind and the Sun strategy, aren't you?" "...Is there something WRONG?" "Don't worry about it. It has nothing to do with you people." "I see. Then it's of no importance." "Alright, Battler Please start up the new game right away! You've kept us waiting so long, it's gotten totally boring!" "Sure, looking forward to it. What's the title?" "...'Dawn'. As in, the Dawn of the Golden Witch." "Of course, the winter sun is quick to sink back below the horizon." "Of course, my master. I'll drag it back down for you right away." "At least your title is <good>, Battler-san. I'll give you that much." "I'm glad you like it. Then let's get started. The 6th game will now begin."Battler solemnly announced the start of the game. Compared to his fired-up attitude at the end of the last game, where he and Erika had sworn to settle everything next time, he was extremely quiet now...  BGM: Look Back  "I'm surprised too. I don't have a clue what's going on. In fact, I don't even get why Beato's revived in the first place. I just finished reading it a second ago, but at the end of the previous tale, didn't she die just before Battler reached the truth?" "There are two kinds of death in this world. One of them is when a piece is taken from the game board. This is only a death within the bounds of the game, and these lives can revive over and over again each time you start a new game." "...And that's why the witches are so merciless when it comes to taking those lives..."To the witch players, the lives of those characters who appear on the game board are no different from pieces on a chess board that take other pieces and get taken. After all, these pieces will be set up again when the next game starts.  "Maria's Sakutarou is a prime example of these." "...Sakutarou is Onee-chan's piece...?"Yes, that does make sense.  Though he's nothing more than a stuffed animal in the real world, on Onee-chan's game board, he is a full piece, no different from any other piece.  "But, I wonder. It might be easy to revive a piece on the witches' game board, but Onee-chan was unable to revive Sakutarou in her world." "...That's because she lost that completely unique stuffed animal that was his vessel. Because of this, the conditions for that piece's existence were violated, and it became impossible to revive him on Maria's game board. The only reason you were able to revive Sakutarou on the game board was because you once again satisfied the conditions for his existence, correct?" "...True."Maria onee-chan was only unable to revive him because she had lost the stuffed animal that was his vessel. If, like the rest of my family on Beato's game board, she hadn't needed a 'vessel' for him, she would have been able to revive him as often as she wanted. "Got it. I see that Sakutarou might be considered Onee-chan's piece. At least, as long as his vessel was okay, he could have been revived over and over again." "Correct. As long as his vessel is safe, he can be revived over and over again. That's what the life of a piece is like..." "...That's the first kind of death in this world. What's the second?" "Not the piece, but the real Onee-chan's death, right?" "It doesn't have to be her death. Loss of interest or concern would have the same effect. When Maria grows up from playing with stuffed animals, then 'Maria the game player' will die. It's as quick and easy as turning off the switch on a TV when you get bored of it." "...I see. In that case, 'Beato the player' completely gave up on winning during the last game, so she died and vanished. If so, and if Beato thinks she has a chance of defeating Onii-chan again, she'll come back to life, right?" "Logically, that is true. It's the same for humans, witches, and even gods. If they lose interest and concern, they can die at any time. And if they regain that interest, they can revive at any time." "...However, though the concept of time does not exist in the world of gods, who can revive whenever they want, time shoots by like an arrow in the human world, and it is not so easy there..." "That's true. Skipping school for one day might not be a problem, but if you skip for three days in a row, it'd be really hard to convince yourself to go back." "And what if that stretched out for a month, a year, a decade? What if it lasted for a thousand years, like the world of witches?" "...I see. If you skipped for that long, it would mean your 'death' as far as society is concerned. If you remained dead for that long, not only would you be unable to catch up on all you missed in the world at large, you'd also lose any motivation you might've had when you left. So, even though you'd be alive, you could say that you'd died once. You would never again... be able to regain the self that you once were, It would never revive." "Beato lost any chance or hope of winning. Even though she knew this, she pretended not to and kept on fighting for many, many games." That Beato, who just sat around the whole time with empty eyes in the 5th game... must have been her corpse. She had managed to remain on the game board despite it all, but then even that corpse was wiped away... If Beato had been the Game Master at that time instead of Lambdadelta, the game board itself would have vanished at that moment, and everything would have ended. Come to think of it, Beato started to lose the will to fight back near the end of the 4th game. When Beato loses her will to fight, the world of this game disappears. However, the witches wanted to keep playing in this game board world, so Lambdadelta bound Beato in place with the curse of that shackle. She used that shackle to make sure that the game board wouldn't disappear, even if Beato did lose the will to fight. In chess, this would be the equivalent of removing the set time limit for each turn, making it endless. However, simply having the game endlessly paused on Beato's turn would cause the witches to die from their illness of boredom. That's why Lambdadelta took the position of Game Master. Starting then, Beato's existence was no longer one of the conditions necessary for the game to exist. That's probably why the shackles binding her to the game board were released. And that explains why she disappeared in the 5th game...  BGM: A Single Moment "The 5th game was a form of charity on Lambdadelta's part. She merely showed Battler some mercy as the Witch of Certainty, acknowledging his strong desire to reach the truth no matter what..." "...How can you call that charity? It's just those fickle witches killing time." "...Let's get back to the point. So, that means this weird Beato isn't the player Beato. She's just a piece Beato." "True. If that is the case, she should become the Beato everyone knows. I imagine that is the Beato that Battler wants..." "...You mean, he wasn't satisfied with just a doll?"When playing with dolls, one can project the personality they most desire onto the doll. However, since you are acting out their part, nothing unexpected can ever happen. You cannot hope for any unanticipated happiness. In the human world, there is nothing so boring as a pre-established harmony. That's why, though a doll can become a person's best friend in the world, people eventually get bored and outgrow them... Onii-chan only wants the real Beato. He couldn't bear having a doll that only acted like Beato...  "She is a piece, so that's only natural. Pieces move according to their player's directions. And they are incapable of moving in any other way. I see what it is Onii-chan wants. Then, just who is this weird Beato?" "...Battler might be trying to revive Beato in the truest sense. It is the never-dying dream held by children of man." "You just used the red to say that wasn't possible." "...'That Beato' has no chance of reviving. However, that doesn't mean that it is impossible for 'Beato' to be born again... Have you forgotten? I believe that Bernkastel herself revealed Beato's true form at the end of the 1st game..." "...Now I remember. She said something about how Beato exists as the incarnation of the rules." "Information began to be accumulated based around that rule, and in the end, it took the form of the witch known as Beatrice. If that pattern is followed once more, the same Beatrice will be born again, and perhaps one could call that a resurrection..." "That interpretation is probably accurate... In short, this Beato is a chick that might become that Beato." "And that means... this pure and lovable kid will eventually grow into that screwed up, crazy witch."In other words, that Beato is a baby version of the Beato we all know. So, just like how no person is born evil, the newborn Beato isn't evil either. Even though she really is a different person, if you measure her by her basis... her soul... then maybe you really could call this a resurrection. However, this reality can't possibly be easy to accept. Though she may technically be Beato herself, she is also, without a doubt, a different person. And that way she acts... would make anyone feel as though something's out of place... "How entertaining... Hearing you read aloud is far from boring." "...I wonder if you even really need someone to read aloud for you. It looks like you already know everything." "I only reached that thought because I am engaged in a conversation with you. My thoughts are more numerous than the stars in the sky. I only appear to know everything to a child of man like you." "...However, without you here, I am nothing but a weak, sickly person without even the power to think..." "If you'd just said that in the first place, I'd have agreed to read for you a lot more easily." "...My mood just happened to improve. Don't get an over-swelled impression of yourself. I think of your life as nothing more than a leaf one has lost after using it as a bookmark..." "'Please keep reading already'. Is that pretty much what you're trying to say? Ok..." "Heh... Far from boring. You really do make an excellent miko."Featherine rocked back in her rocking chair and looked up at the ceiling, laughing as though the conversation itself was pleasant for her. Ange was slowly figuring out how to deal with this strange witch. ...This person was also... bored. When a sick person has been in bed for a long time and gets too bored, they sometimes act in a rebellious way. On the other hand, they also get a little bored of being treated kindly all the time. She may want to be respected for her superiority, but it's probably more interesting for her when she's spoken to rudely. ...What a coincidence. That's exactly how I used to be.  BGM: Look Back "It does seem so. It has caught my interest as well. Let's read her tale too." "Oh, sure, as you wish, my master."When Ange raised her hands like a conductor, the bookshelves in this bizarre study responded. 
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ProfessorProf posted:Battler solemnly announced the start of the game. Compared to his fired-up attitude at the end of the last game, where he and Erika had sworn to settle everything next time, he was extremely quiet now...
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... My god. It's her- not the Beatrice we all know and... well, some love, and others have complicated feelings about, but the other one. The one in Kuwadorian, in 1967... the one that Rosa met, and that fell off the cliff. Listening to the video clinched it for me; reading it was weird enough, but... the only time Beatrice has ever spoken so soft, sweet and polite was in those scenes in last thread, wondering who she is and marveling at zoos. She sounded so happy to be talking to somebody other than some mad old man who locks her up in a garden. So she was one of... well, the first Beatrice's pieces too, but why is that? Why keep one separate from herself... unless she was never "Beatrice" at all? And drat, Battler... I don't know where you're going with this, but I don't like it. The story has been drawing parallels between you and Kinzo pretty much from the word "go," but I would have hoped there would have been some significant space in the development between "gets a cape" and "locks up a pretty girl in a room for nefarious purposes"... and you really could have gone another way, you know. (Like, not locking up blonde girls and putting them in frilly dresses, for instance.  You give a man a cape, and it's all downhill from there, evidently.)
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