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glowing-fish posted:What is the difference? Which one is Denny's? Fast casual is fast food that thinks it's fancy, and has slightly longer wait for your food and slightly higher prices to match. In theory it's also better food than a regular fast food place, in practice lol if you buy into that marketing. For instance: McDonald's is regular fast food. Five Guys is "fast casual". Subway is regular fast food. Panera is "fast casual".
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Has shoeless always sold lovely off-brand shoes? I remember them selling brand name before...But last time I stepped in it was all lovely offbrand stuff. At least in the 1980s-1990s, Payless was nothing but own-brand stuff like Pro-Wings, Spot-Bilt, Honchos, some other brands I forget. In the early 21st century, they bought or licensed some brand names that had some recognition (Airwalk, Keds) but I feel like they sold those licenses off again in the past ten years or so. I feel like I can say with some confidence that for most of the past 40 years the Payless Shoesource model was quite literally buying pairs of Nikes/Reeboks (or whatever the equivalent in other shoe markets is) and taking them to factories and going "how closely and how cheaply can you make something look kind of like this without getting us sued?" There was a long protracted lawsuit about whether or not it was okay to just rip off Adidas shoe designs so long as you add or substract a stripe.
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I hope Outback Steakhouse also dies.
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Badger of Basra posted:It bums me out that we seemed to stop building nice looking public buildings in like 1950. When you say "public buildings", do you mean buildings that are open to the public to just wander in for hours like malls, or do you mean government administration buildings that have many floors that can't be accessed by anyone who doesn't have good reason to be there? Because I can assure you we're still building the latter. Freakazoid_ posted:I hope Outback Steakhouse also dies. A friend worked for one after working in one of the better fast food chains (In-n-Out) and thought it was fine. I've only been to it once and didn't like the food, but I also miss Sizzler and I guess it's the closest thing to it still going. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Apr 29, 2017 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Granite Run was my wife's teenage hangout mall and she was very sad to see it in such a dilapidated nigh-abandoned state. I bought a shirt from that Boscov's on the way to a wedding. 2 of the 3 anchor stores in Granite Run, including the Boscov's, are still up and running, and the whole thing is the site of a many millions of dollars public/private business venture under construction right this second. Tell her not to be sad!
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fishmech posted:Fast casual is fast food that thinks it's fancy, and has slightly longer wait for your food and slightly higher prices to match. In theory it's also better food than a regular fast food place, in practice lol if you buy into that marketing. Dunkin donuts recently bought Panera, if that's any guide.
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Panera's new marketing push is something like "more than just bread" but maybe if that's the case they should change their name?
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Apr 29, 2017 17:33
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I love Panera and I eat there often
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Apr 29, 2017 17:39
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Fast casual is generally better than traditional fast food, if only for the fact that the menus tend to have more salads and less french fries. Everything I've ever eaten at Panera tasted like a dish sponge though.
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Apr 29, 2017 17:41
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Panera is trash for white people who like to pay 8x food costs because there's lovely art on the walls See also: starbucks
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Panera tastes fine but is so drat expensive for not very much food
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Apr 29, 2017 17:53
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NFS tell us more about trash rich people...
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BrandorKP posted:NFS tell us more about trash rich people... lol the rich don't go to panera
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NewForumSoftware posted:lol the rich don't go to panera Yeah, they go to the Costco foodcourt. It's like some of you don't even read this thread 
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeah, they go to the Costco foodcourt. It's like some of you don't even read this thread To be fair the Costco food court is much better than Panera it's still poo poo food but at least it's cheap
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Trash rich people? You mean the fyrefest refugees?
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeah, they go to the Costco foodcourt. It's like some of you don't even read this thread My boss who can cash flow two single family homes in the Seattle area, literally selected the location of those homes via proximity to Costco.
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Panera is a great business model you should give them your money. Don't even get the food.
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Apr 29, 2017 18:29
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To be fair my landlord is a multi-millionaire and I know for a fact that he regularly shops at our local Target.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6yA7r6WfJo
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This is kind of cheating, there's no difference between an open and closed K-Mart.
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Pharohman777 posted:Huh, that actually makes sense for government offices, and there is plenty of room for parking already. Somewhere in northeastern rural SC, I forget where exactly.
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wow it turns out the 90s and 2000s suburban retail credit and housing boom was was a grotesquely inefficient waste of resources. who knew!
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Ogmius815 posted:To be fair my landlord is a multi-millionaire and I know for a fact that he regularly shops at our local Target. Bulk and low unit costs are a thing for many very well off people. This is more high accumulator crowd and less the HENRYs. I have had the same conversation with several multimillionaires about cup ramen vs packet ramen. They love to give me poo poo about the dime unit cost difference.
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You don't maintain your high score wasting it on packaging
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One of the strange things about this thread, is that I started it coming from a background of living mostly in the Pacific Northwest. Stereotypically, Oregon and Washington are environmentally friendly, have limited sprawl, have smart growth, and are full of hipsters shopping at neighborhood boutiques, and yet they might be the last part of the country where malls and big box stores are still doing well. Like, I can't think of any malls or developments in Oregon or Washington where I have seen closed stores and empty aisles. Even Mall 205 in Portland, which is kind of mocked as such, just changed from being a social mall to a Home Depot and Target mall. There really isn't that many places in the Pacific Northwest where you see abandoned storefronts and stuff.
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I imagine much of the worst of it is in Rust Belt/Midwestern suburbs where the core regional industries died off long ago and the 90s/00s boom was built entirely on the credit and housing bubble, with no new industries being created
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Missoula, Montana also didn't seem to have any retail problems...maybe because it is the largest retail center for at least 200 miles.
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glowing-fish posted:One of the strange things about this thread, is that I started it coming from a background of living mostly in the Pacific Northwest. Because everyone is moving here. A lot of these places are predicated on growth through volume, corporations are calibrated to perform exactly the same way across the country and we'd get really weird poo poo in our target stores in the PNW because St Louis thought it was a good idea. Its also why theyre going to eventually completely implode, because instead of using their current boons in invest in staff and upgrades they'll use the region to cover poo poo falling apart elsewhere.
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icantfindaname posted:I imagine much of the worst of it is in Rust Belt/Midwestern suburbs where the core regional industries died off long ago and the 90s/00s boom was built entirely on the credit and housing bubble, with no new industries being created While we often think about the industry dying off, we forget that lot of that industry itself relied on lots of near-regional consumption, and that near-regional consumption was driven by having a lot of single-family farming around. It's the same reason small towns in general died off, they needed all the farmers around to drive demand. As farming consolidated to much fewer workers and families, there simply wasnt enough business for them. Even if imports had never really picked up to sate national demand, a lot of that industry would have continued to centralize into the larger metro areas for efficiency of scale, and leave those other areas with their industry just as dead.
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glowing-fish posted:One of the strange things about this thread, is that I started it coming from a background of living mostly in the Pacific Northwest. Prosperity is probably key. The sole mall near me seems full and busy. I live in a pretty hipster area. Areas with dropping and aging population don't have so much use for malls.
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Then again, Garden City, New York has one of the biggest active malls in Roosevelt Field along with one of the deadest (and according to Wikipedia, soon to be demolished after being a dead mall for pretty much a decade) in The Source Mall, all within a few miles of one another.
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Austin had a mall go almost completely deserted because word got out that sometimes black people shopped there.
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Aliquid posted:Austin had a mall go almost completely deserted because word got out that sometimes black people shopped there. Looks like they wanted to Keep Austin Weird.
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glowing-fish posted:One of the strange things about this thread, is that I started it coming from a background of living mostly in the Pacific Northwest. The Everett Mall has been skirting the edge for like the past decade. The owners defaulted on their loan in 2012, was rescued by a group of investors, and now it's back on the block. Somehow it still pulls in 5.5m a year net and keeps most of its stores open. We'll see how that changes now that its Macy's is gone.
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glowing-fish posted:One of the strange things about this thread, is that I started it coming from a background of living mostly in the Pacific Northwest. That's really interesting. Do you go to the mall regularly? Do you enjoy it? Also I think I get what you mean but I hadn't heard the term "social mall" before. Is that something you coined or an actual industry term?
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It's different out here there is a massive amount of public amenities. There are "destination playgrounds". Even in the less desirable communities, there is a crazy amount of public space. It's lousy with kids too, everybody has kids (me included). It's just easier to live. Where I was living in GA had a population of about 9000. Where I live now in WA has about 6000. Twice as many grocery stores, order of magnitude more playgrounds. Even out where I live most retail jobs start at $14. They literally make announcements in the grocery store asking for people to apply for jobs. Growth is one hell of a thing.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:That's really interesting. Do you go to the mall regularly? Do you enjoy it? Also I think I get what you mean but I hadn't heard the term "social mall" before. Is that something you coined or an actual industry term? I made that term up because I had a headache and was posting in a hurry. But yes, its probably a good term. "Social Mall", as opposed to the mall where people go to buy new faucets and poo poo. I live in Santiago de Chile now, so when I go to the mall, I am going to the Costanera Center, which is the largest mall in the continent, located in the largest skyscraper in the continent. Its a pretty busy place. I went there today to buy cheese, wine, and golf sauce flavored potato chips because I do my normal grocery shopping at the largest skyscraper in the continent, which always amuses me. 
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glowing-fish posted:I made that term up because I had a headache and was posting in a hurry. But yes, its probably a good term. "Social Mall", as opposed to the mall where people go to buy new faucets and poo poo. That's awesome! I used to do my grocery shopping in a skyscraper too, but a much smaller one. The lowest level always smelled like cooked white rice for some reason. What's golf sauce?
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Sauce made with bits of golf balls, obviously
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