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EwokEntourage posted:You can pay a company to skiptrace him. Realistically this is what happens almost all the time. P.I.'s are surprisingly cheap if they don't have to actually do any real work like following your cheating spouse all over town or whatever.
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I hope this isn't too vague. I can give more details if needed. My former manager was fired. He got another job doing the same work but for a different type of company. He made me an offer to quit my job and go to work under him there. If this poaching? Is there a chance that he can he get in trouble for this if my current employers find out? The companies are not competition as they are two very different types of manufacturing, but the departments do the same type of work.
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Apr 30, 2017 02:09
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Don't worry about him. Worry about you. Do you have an enjoymtent contract? Are you in an at-will jurisdiction?
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Don't worry about him. Worry about you. No contract, I'm hourly. Yes this is an at will state.
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Corvega posted:No contract, I'm hourly. Yes this is an at will state. So you're probably fine. Why do you care if he is? He may have had a contract or noncompete. But generally speaking, there is no law against hiring people from another company. He'd have to be barred by some employment contract.
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Apr 30, 2017 02:41
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Someone familiar with the situation told me that he could get in trouble for it and I wanted to get more facts before I decided on what my move will be. I also wanted to make sure that the company I work for currently couldn't do something to endanger this opportunity if they catch wind of a former employee luring me away.
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Apr 30, 2017 02:51
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What do you do for a living? If you're actually concerned for yourself, contact an employment attorney. They'll charge you 500-10000 to tell you what's going on. I wouldn't give a poo poo about the other guy though. That's on him.
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Apr 30, 2017 03:35
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If he signed something that said he wouldn't poach employees from Old Company, the only risk to you in following him to New Company is if somehow New Company fires him for breaking his agreement with Old Company and then there you are at New Company without a boss. This is extremely unlikely to happen.
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Apr 30, 2017 03:43
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Unload My Head posted:Realistically this is what happens almost all the time. P.I.'s are surprisingly cheap if they don't have to actually do any real work like following your cheating spouse all over town or whatever. I don't think you'd need a PI. Just someone with an accurint subscription or a similar company
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Apr 30, 2017 04:13
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Say that a friend of mine bought a new house in a new subdivision, with a double garage. This friend's family has seven cars (one for each family member) and only room in their garage for two. A couple of months later, the local council decides they might want to put a bus stop outside the house. Does the friend have any legal options to fight this?
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Everyone switches to those little smart cars, then you can fit four in the garage and two in the driveway.  But for real, fight what? The loss of public parking, that they aren't personally entitled to? I'm assuming they were parking on the street en masse.
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Apr 30, 2017 04:58
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With the new bus stop you can easily commute to work via public transit, and sell off some of the cars. Problem solved.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:What do you do for a living? If you're actually concerned for yourself, contact an employment attorney. They'll charge you 500-10000 to tell you what's going on. What are the circumstances in which a lawyer would want ten grand to pore over an employment agreement? Some really intricate jurisdictional issue?
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Apr 30, 2017 06:57
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Subjunctive posted:What are the circumstances in which a lawyer would want ten grand to pore over an employment agreement? Some really intricate jurisdictional issue? One where the client has the money to pay for it.
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Subjunctive posted:What are the circumstances in which a lawyer would want ten grand to pore over an employment agreement? Some really intricate jurisdictional issue? There isn't much call for experts in indentured servant law these days, so the lawyers that practice it can command a premium.
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Subjunctive posted:What are the circumstances in which a lawyer would want ten grand to pore over an employment agreement? Some really intricate jurisdictional issue? he meant $1,000.00
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blarzgh posted:he meant $1,000.00 I feel a little dumb now.
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Subjunctive posted:I feel a little dumb now. No, don't, because I promise you someone paid over $10,000.00 last week to have a law firm review an employment contract for some monster executive, or as part of high-stakes litigation somewhere. It probably happens all the time.
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A company I worked for about 5 years ago got hoodwinked into selling 25% interest of the company for a storefront that later got flipped. Now the parent company is trying to get the 25% back, but the minority owners are like "lol nah". I'm sure that's going to be a great corporate law dispute.
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Depending on the form of the entity and the jurisdiction, the minority owners are probably going to get railroaded.
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blarzgh posted:he meant $1,000.00 No I meant ten grand. I have no idea what an employment lawyer would charge for a dumb question, so I hedged. Edit: ten grand retainer. Because you know he's going to call back and call back with more and more questions for bus friend. Get that money upfront. Hot Dog Day #91 fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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blarzgh posted:No, don't, because I promise you someone paid over $10,000.00 last week to have a law firm review an employment contract for some monster executive, or as part of high-stakes litigation somewhere. It probably happens all the time. Oh, absolutely. I am putting $10k into a company and joining as a manager, and so we were writing our OA. The lawyer I hired took an 8k retainer and spent 6k on his review of it. We haven't done a second round of edits yet, but I'm expecting I'll spend more on the lawyer than I'm putting into the company. At $500/hr - a pretty reasonable lawyer rate - you're looking at essentially 2 days of work for $10k. Employment contracts that involve non compete negotiations and compensation easily hit that. Especially if you're using an expensive lawyer at 1k+ per hour
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Zauper posted:
 JFC are you people serious? 500$ equivalent is extortionate for anyone not a big-name biglaw corporate tax law specialist. And the median income in the US is way lower than in mine, even if it proportionately levels out a bit with cost-of-living ajustments.How the hell are people willing to pay that rate?
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Nice piece of fish posted:
The USAO for DC issues an annual rate chart for average attorney rates by experience bracket. Quick glance shows the average rate for attorneys with more than 15 years experience is over $500. Was like 11 years+ for 450 an hour. If you are getting a field expert, you're paying a premium on top. Top corporate firms are hitting around $2k an hour these days.
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Zauper posted:The USAO for DC issues an annual rate chart for average attorney rates by experience bracket. Quick glance shows the average rate for attorneys with more than 15 years experience is over $500. Was like 11 years+ for 450 an hour. If you are getting a field expert, you're paying a premium on top. Zauper posted:The USAO for DC Zauper posted:for DC Source: quote:...the hourly rates in the above matrix were calculated from average hourly rates reported in 2011 survey data for the D.C. metropolitan area... Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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That really isn't that much when you are getting in specific legal requirements that aren't just "help me with this contract." Also big ticket stuff has to factor in insurance companies who are footing the bill; sort of like a hospital or airline lost luggage, you know you are going to get negotiated down so you overcharge.
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What field are you going into where a $10k contribution gets you a manager position in an llc but also requires a "field expert" lawyer?
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Nice piece of fish posted:
People paying those rates have enough money that it doesn't matter.
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EwokEntourage posted:What field are you going into where a $10k contribution gets you a manager position in an llc but also requires a "field expert" lawyer? I'm guessing an advisory position in a startup where the manager job is kinda secondary to the equity. Past that I have no idea, and even that idea sounds like a bad one.
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Motronic posted:I'm guessing an advisory position in a startup where the manager job is kinda secondary to the equity. Past that I have no idea, and even that idea sounds like a bad one. This is close enough - acquisition not startup; manager in this case is just the title WRT the operating agreement. I'm putting in maybe 4-8 hours a week, it's a side thing and safe enough I have no worries about getting my money back, and am okay with losing it all. And given that I live in the DC area, DC rates are a good benchmark.
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Zauper posted:And given that I live in the DC area, DC rates are a good benchmark. I can give you nine reasons it isn't.
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Discendo Vox posted:I can give you nine reasons it isn't. Please do give me 9 reasons why DC rates aren't a good metric for DC lawyers. Zauper fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 1, 2017 |
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Zauper posted:Please do give me 9 reasons why DC rates aren't a good metric for DC layers. Because prostitutes in DC don't charge the same amount as lawyers.
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May 1, 2017 00:57
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They charge more.
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Wait what there's a difference
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Bad Munki posted:Wait what there's a difference The prostitutes actually get you off.
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nm posted:The prostitutes actually get you off. Niiiiiice
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Nice piece of fish posted:
You're looking at it backwards. People aren't "worth" a hard amount of money, they're worth the value that they bring to the operation. Say you have a three year non-compete and you make 350K a year. You pay a lawyer 10K to weasel you out of it. Net gain to you is over a million dollars. All of a sudden that law firm's bill is looking like some spare change in the ashtray.
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Except he paid a lawyer $8k (and probably will pay more if the first review took up 6 of that 8k) for a $10k buy in that he said he wasn't worried about losing I'm not him, I don't know all the facts, and please keep paying lawyers. Paying a lawyer $500 an hour isn't outrageous, it might be towards the high end in average but it's not close to the high end of some lawyers out there. It sounds kinda odd from the facts and dollar amounts he gave us, but he (presumably) made an educated choice about it EwokEntourage fucked around with this message at 03:12 on May 1, 2017 |
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Unload My Head posted:You're looking at it backwards. People aren't "worth" a hard amount of money, they're worth the value that they bring to the operation. Say you have a three year non-compete and you make 350K a year. You pay a lawyer 10K to weasel you out of it. Net gain to you is over a million dollars. All of a sudden that law firm's bill is looking like some spare change in the ashtray. No, no I understand that. What I'm saying is I would love for that to be a reasonable and normal amount to pay a lawyer for what amounts to doc review, heck I would love to have that hourly rate myself. But where I live, 400-500$ is pretty much the absolute ceiling in reasonable rates for big law experts even when being paid by big corps and even this much is having politicians and media going "you know, we need a crackdown, these lawyers are charging too much". EwokEntourage posted:I'm not him, I don't know all the facts, and please keep paying lawyers. Paying a lawyer $500 an hour isn't outrageous, it might be towards the high end in average but it's not close to the high end of some lawyers out there. It sounds kinda odd from the facts and dollar amounts he gave us, but he (presumably) made an educated choice about it Yes, please pay the lawyerman. Also, I assume what we're really talking about here as "high end of average" is business law rates that businesses are charged. Not, you know, rates for joe schmoe who wants to create a trust fund for his favourite goat.
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