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Loel posted:I'm fine with being on the SK60B for now, but I want to be on the strategic bomber also when we get one Seriously. 24 JASSM or GBUs is nuts. It would destroy all the things. Or I guess 82 iron bombs if you are into that sort of thing.
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Jimmy4400nav posted:Looks like it didn't get posted there, but I have a link! I wonder if they'd be up for subcontracting in the future...
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Ooh that F-15 and F-111 is very tempting, but we only get one of each so I gotta vote for K&P.
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So looking things over it seems like we're under-arming our planes. At least according to Wikipedia any craft capable of firing the Sidewinder is also capable of launching the IRIS-T. That's an extra 5 nautical miles of range we can give to our fighters against air threats. One other thing I've been thinking about is whether or not it would be feasible to consolidate our forces somewhat after this mission ends (assuming we survive). Our forces have become a mishmash of suppliers and weapons, which long term will likely make our logistics chain even more of a nightmare. So with that in mind I'm wondering if we could do the following: 1. Convert our German Tornadoes into the Saudi Arabian variant (the pair we're buying now). This gives us access to some longer-range munitions like the Storm Shadow and ALARM missiles and also prevents us from having to think about having two different craft with the same name. 2. Sell our SK60Bs, Hawk 209, and SU-25T to the new ruler of Angola. That way someone else can deal with the myriad of loadouts, plus the planes are generally better suited for counter-insurgency and ground attack anyway. 3. Attempt (if at all possible) to consolidate our ground strike forces in a minimum number of airframes. Or at the very least try to make sure the ground strike airframes are using the same munitions. Loel posted:That list is pretty handy, and should probably be in the OP Thanks! Mr. Showtime posted:You've mixed up agility with aircraft generation and the VC.10 K.4 is not a UAV, but the rest looks good. Honestly I just took "generation" from the linked pages.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:One other thing I've been thinking about is whether or not it would be feasible to consolidate our forces somewhat after this mission ends (assuming we survive). Our forces have become a mishmash of suppliers and weapons, which long term will likely make our logistics chain even more of a nightmare. So with that in mind I'm wondering if we could do the following: That does sound wise.
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You know, with the bote, we could potentially start raiding the Dictators lithium shipments, might pay off, also we get to be privateers. Just saying. The Angolan navy is nothing much without its air support. Edit: Oh, they've some dangerous old Soviet boats, far less plausible than I thought. Cimbri fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So looking things over it seems like we're under-arming our planes. At least according to Wikipedia any craft capable of firing the Sidewinder is also capable of launching the IRIS-T. That's an extra 5 nautical miles of range we can give to our fighters against air threats. While that should be true, I don't think we can change loadouts for that in CMANO. Paging Baloogan for clarification.
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Weren't we discussing potentially investing in the Count's military as a supplemental thing? Yooper, do we have any options on that front, or do we have to finalize our purchase order of planes first? Also, what's the word from Our Man In Northern Angola? Jet theft may have just gotten a lot more feasible. Also he might know who would be interested in that Su-30MK data and how much they'd be willing to pay. How's that new airport looking? Since we're getting new airframes (and potentially more down the road *cough*Kfirs*cough*), would it be an idea to set up a FOB? Then again, we'd need to invest in a whole other load of SAMs and figure out how to divvy up our forces, which might be more trouble than it's worth. Did we capture any intelligence from it? I doubt we caught any planes, since we apparently blew them all up in the air and I doubt the Rangers were too careful about damaging airframes when they took it.
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Shame that there's only the one F-15SA. We'll have to put out feelers to see if we can get more of them. Thread question: What do you folks think is the best Generation 4 fighter for air superiority?
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David Corbett posted:Shame that there's only the one F-15SA. We'll have to put out feelers to see if we can get more of them. Clearly the Rafale
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Other things to do are to get at least one more OECM aircraft so that we can still have jamming while one turns away to refuel or return to a loiter point; having a jammer actually pointed at the enemy SAM battery would have made that strike less hairy. We need a CSAR bird too. And maybe a dedicated ELINT aircraft to go with our AEW&C plane. Speaking of which, upgrading or replacing our AEW&C plane would be a decent investment. We also need to start expecting enemy jamming to be a thing from here on out. At the very least we might want to invest in some home-on-jam missiles and make killing enemy jammers a priority.
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Rafale, Su-35, or one of those weird F-15 upgrades that are being marketed now and then to make it stealthy. F-15 Silent Eagle for instance.
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David Corbett posted:Shame that there's only the one F-15SA. We'll have to put out feelers to see if we can get more of them. That's pretty debatable since there are a million and a half statistics that operate under the hood for fighters and other planes. In terms of pure air superiority, you could probably argue for either the Eurofighter Typhoon or Rafael. Both will have a pretty high capacity for carrying a good number of BVR missiles. The Super Hornet can also carry a good number too. Also you guys are expecting a lot from Jack and being able to steal a bunch of Kfirs, I'm going to laugh when it all fails and we get nothing 
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Jimmy4400nav posted:That's pretty debatable since there are a million and a half statistics that operate under the hood for fighters and other planes. In terms of pure air superiority, you could probably argue for either the Eurofighter Typhoon or Rafael. Both will have a pretty high capacity for carrying a good number of BVR missiles. The Super Hornet can also carry a good number too. For which we will pay nothing. No loss there 
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I take that back. Assuming the ones Columbia sold are the C.10 then they have some guided capability. All of the Kfirs were upgraded to at least the C.7. Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Cathode Raymond posted:Russians have implemented Dark Souls invincible dodging technology in their fighter jets and this is terrifying. it did a barrel roll K & P
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:
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There's a near unbeatable mission in the game that's Columbia versus Venezuela. Kfir versus Su-30. It's retarded and awesome.
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Quinntan posted:Yeah, they're C.10s. We could do with them, especially for the low low price of free. Maybe not free. We need to sink a few mil into setting up front companies, bribing the right people, building legends and cover stories for our pilots, etc. I would really, really like to try this plan -- even if we only got eight or nine of the Kifrs , it'd go a long way towards getting us back in fighting trim. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Since I don't have a lot of background information on the various planes that we have I decided to put together a write-up of each, including useful information and common payloads. The goal here was more for my own education than anything else, but I wanted to share and get your input so I know what I might have screwed up or if there are other common loadouts I should be looking at. This is very useful -- would be nice to have the OP or on the front page! I'd add the KAB laser-guided bomb loadout to the Frogfoot. Mr. Showtime posted:K&P because that bote isn't very good and we need the versatility those Tornadoes provide. I'd love to have that F-15SA, but we're already doing okay on air-to-air stuff thanks to the Meteors our Gripens can carry. If there were two F-15s in the package instead of one, I'd lean towards buying them over the K&P package. Strike Eagles are just so drat good. sparkmaster posted:I figure we could also leverage our data and success into a corporate sponsorship from Saab. In exchange for our Gripen data, I'm sure Saab would upgrade our C model Gripens into Es. Saab may or may not want a public relationship with us -- but having tech reps deployed with us would at least be be helpful with keeping maintenance costs down. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Bacarruda posted:Maybe not free. We need to sink a few mil into setting up front companies, bribing the right people, building legends and cover stories for our pilots, etc. At $20M each it seems like a no brainer to try and put a healthy amount of cash into a successful job. $20M should be more than enough to get the front company organized, get the right people in the right place, and handle back end logistics. And even if we get one craft that's a break-even. quote:This is very useful -- would be nice to have the OP or on the front page! What I might do is convert the data into some kind of spreadsheet accessible via Google Docs so we have an easier understanding. Which loadout are you referring to? Can you just give me the name from the Wiki?
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Buy the two FSXs from NASA and strap bombs on them and flaunt supercruise.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Weren't we discussing potentially investing in the Count's military as a supplemental thing? Yooper, do we have any options on that front, or do we have to finalize our purchase order of planes first? I'm trying to keep it to one decision at a time. I found if I hint at the next thing everyone gets excited and then the discussion is on multiple topics. Once we wrap up the plane vote we'll get to other areas. I added your aircraft roster to the OP Update list. Thank you! This was extraorinarily helpful and saves a lot of time flipping back and forth to Baloogans 90% downtime wiki. I hear a sound... it's the Dictator's twitter account going into overdrive!
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Yooper posted:I hear a sound... it's the Dictator's twitter account going into overdrive! Yesssssss.... 
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Long-run, I think Rafales are our endgame as the best fighters we'll be able to buy; anything better is stuff that would still be too new a decade from now for me to see anyone being willing to sell to a PMC.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:What I might do is convert the data into some kind of spreadsheet accessible via Google Docs so we have an easier understanding. Which loadout are you referring to? Can you just give me the name from the Wiki? KAB-500L LGB. Four 500kg laser-guided bombs, two AA-8 Aphids, two drop tanks. We used it on Operation First Impressions.
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K & P get my vote, it gives us the most in terms of equipment advantage over the other three choices. Also Rest in Peace Silent Bob you fought well. Never doubted Rohan for a moment told you she would pull through. I feel like bombing the Dictator's capital as a measure of revenge.
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The Sandman posted:Long-run, I think Rafales are our endgame as the best fighters we'll be able to buy; anything better is stuff that would still be too new a decade from now for me to see anyone being willing to sell to a PMC. We could always see if we could Entrebble a few F-22's from Elmendorf AFB. Sure we might piss of the Americans and they'd never sell to us again, but think of the possibilities!  Then after some dominance we could lose it all to an up and coming PMC who bombs our airfields with modified Piper Cubs. Gotta complete that circle of life!
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Yooper posted:I added your aircraft roster to the OP Update list. Thank you! This was extraorinarily helpful and saves a lot of time flipping back and forth to Baloogans 90% downtime wiki. Glad I could help!
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:1. Convert our German Tornadoes into the Saudi Arabian variant (the pair we're buying now). This gives us access to some longer-range munitions like the Storm Shadow and ALARM missiles and also prevents us from having to think about having two different craft with the same name. While Im thinking of it, what would our order of battle look like with the K+P purchase, the heist, and your logistics fix look like? 8 - JAS 39C Gripen : Meteor & SDB 1 - Hawk 209 SELL 2 - Tornado's 5 - Saab SK60B SELL 6 - F-4E Phantom II - Greek 1 - SU-25 Frogfoot SELL 1 - Saab S 100B 2 - Saudi Tornado CONVERT 2 - AMX A.11 2 - Mirage F.1CR 8 - Kfir C.10 1 - CN235 Cargo Plane 1 - KC-135 Tanker 1 - Sperwer UAV 1 - MQ-9 Reaper 1 - EA-6B Prowler 1 - I-HAWK 1 - C-130E 2 - SA-22 2 - ZSU-23-4 1 - VC10.K4 Loel fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Loel posted:While Im thinking of it, what would our order of battle look like with the K+P purchase, the heist, and your logistics fix look like? We have this list, and I try to keep it maintained, on Post #2. It's also on the Spreadsheet with a complete list of waiting pilots and such. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Qiub7A88MRvtKp_SupHHoOrknmSUgbYVYkX5USpuxio/edit?usp=sharing
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Yooper posted:We have this list, and I try to keep it maintained, on Post #2. It's also on the Spreadsheet with a complete list of waiting pilots and such. Oh, when I was saying Beer's list should be in the OP, I meant the bit with missile load outs, purposes etc. A lot of us dont know it 
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Since we don't have to hassle with real-world logistics I don't see much reason to consolidate our airframes. Having a weird mix is cool. However, single planes of a given class are not very useful except for specialized support stuff, so we should probably sell those.
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 It took awhile for Delvanios Dos Santos to get onto Twitter, but oh boy, you guys are gonna love this.   It seems the Air Marshall didn't properly update the Dictator...  Dos Santos doesn't like to be challenged. But maybe a seed of doubt was planted?  There we go!  So there it is! We'll have an intel review coming later that'll tell you guys how the theater is shaping up. The next mission is going to be a longer event, prepare to plan for a 24 hour op that may, or may not, have any action. We'll try to make it feel more like a real op.
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Bacarruda posted:KAB-500L LGB. Four 500kg laser-guided bombs, two AA-8 Aphids, two drop tanks. Done!
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I almost feel bad for the latest Air Admiral...the guy was clearly a genius, even if he fought for the wrong side. God knows how somebody so competent somehow managed to last without getting killed as a threat. On the other hand, we lost Bacarruda because of him, so I'm not feeling too bad about it. (That's one way to make sure he can't monopolise mission planning!) Is there anything we can do for Rohan at this point? Maybe we should have a wake for everyone we've lost so far...help work through the grief together. Yooper posted:We have this list, and I try to keep it maintained, on Post #2. It's also on the Spreadsheet with a complete list of waiting pilots and such.
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Interdict them while they're ferrying in and thus unarmed and low on fuel. Force them to divert to one of our airfields or be destroyed. If they're being shipped in, there'll be a substantial delay between orders being placed and crated aircraft arriving. It also gives us the chance to hit whatever they're shipping the planes in on.
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Did he have to burn the hyenas? The hyenas were hardly at fault for anything. Plus he's kind of an idiot for believing his air marshall. I mean so many planes exploded and crashed everywhere that you could probably ask any local how many planes got shot down and they would say more than four.
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Cathode Raymond posted:Did he have to burn the hyenas? The hyenas were hardly at fault for anything. I suspect he burn-stomped a body-double and the cunning air marshal has escaped the country in a trenchcoat and fake mustache at this point.
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David Corbett posted:Shame that there's only the one F-15SA. We'll have to put out feelers to see if we can get more of them. In the game + game timeline? Usually 4-4.5-y stuff like Su-35s, Rafales (only if they're new enough for Meteor; they're pretty trash at air-to-air otherwise), Eurofighters, later F-15 variants (e.g. Slam Eagle), later J-10s, J-15s, and Super Hornets with AIM-120D if you can stomach their short legs. Most things that can carry PL-12, AIM-120C/D, Meteor, or R-77-1 are capable of putting up a good fight, though. Everything gets eaten alive to various degrees by F-22s/F-35s/J-20s/PAK FAs, but the 4.5s can occasionally hit back if your opponent is dumb enough (i.e. is the AI). Cabbage Disrespect fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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