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icantfindaname posted:nobody in greece except for a tiny fringe is actually revanchist. armenia on the other hand... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ararat Between there done that. MiddleOne posted:Elaborate. The Kurds stood with the Turks and pushed us (Armenians) and the Assyrians into the ditch. Unlike the Turks, various Kurdish groups recognize Kurdish involvement and have issued apologies.
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Randarkman posted:The reason why Kurds are the most numerous ethnic group in most of Turkish Kurdistan is pretty uncomfortable. not really. the southern, diyarbakir-centered, 'real kurdistan' never had substantial armenian presence. armenains lived in the eastern oval highland and in the mountains around cilicia and adana (that's where my family was from)
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I wonder how you would deal with the very large Turkish minority you'd get if you actually did carve out the majority Kurdish part (as far as I can remember 30-40% Turks is pretty common over the whole region with them being in the majority in select areas)
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Randarkman posted:I wonder how you would deal with the very large Turkish minority you'd get if you actually did carve out the majority Kurdish part (as far as I can remember 30-40% Turks is pretty common over the whole region with them being in the majority in select areas) Well, ideally you would have multiple ethnic groups living in harmony. Hence why I said bi/multinational Kurdish-Armenian state. Remember it's the Turkish state that has the history of ethnic cleansing, not the SDF 
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icantfindaname posted:Well, ideally you would have multiple ethnic groups living in harmony. Hence why I said bi/multinational Kurdish-Armenian state instead of full-on nationalist. Remember it's the Turkish state that has the history of ethnic cleansing, not the SDF Well, I also imagine problems like how Russia is behaving against its neighbors with Russian minorities. Then again I don't think of the SDF taking over Turkish territory as at all a likely scenario to be honest.
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SDF have almost fully captured tabqa after making huge gains yesterday and today. Only the northernmost districts and the dam itself remains https://twitter.com/melisaraimmo/status/858563925943758848
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Apr 30, 2017 09:45
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Good on them. Hope ISIS doesn't blow the dam up out of spite though.
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Woah that's pretty major. ISIS is looking deader by the day, but it matters just as much who the territory is going to. If the sdf gains control of both sides of the river, and keeps its Arab contingent from breaking away, it will go a huge way toward legitimizing Northern Syria as a coherent multiethnic state (within a state). The Turks are going to keep saber rattling of course, but I don't think they have any intention of invading and occupying a third of Syria either and their strategy of using salafists to bludgeon the kurds has already backfired. Those border clashes were either a warning (perhaps to Arab allies as much as the kurds themselves), or the prelude to something stupid and drastic. The collapse of ISIS seems to have accelerated the move toward an endgame in Syria and we're rapidly approaching a point where northern Syria will be too large and established for the Turks or regime to snuff and too strong for any of the remaining "FSA" factions to challenge. Pretty soon Syria will face a reckoning, but there are a lot of questions left unanswered. The first is what stupid poo poo will Erdogan, Trump, Putin, hezballah and everyone else playing Powers and Proxies do after ISIS is gone? Even more importantly, what will happen when the SDF and Assad have no left to fight but each other? The TFSA and the others are running out of rope and the never Assad, never SDF position is looking increasingly untenable. Will the kurds start trying to bring them into the fold? Will Assad? I think the biggest unknown is which side is right about Rojava? Are they true revolutionaries who won't stop until Assad is gone and democratic confederalism reigns in Syria, or are they the collaborators their opponents have always claimed them to be, who will happily sell out the other rebels to Assad in exchange for a KRG-lite in Syria? The idealist in me really hopes they'll stick to their guns, but they've never had much stomach for facing Assad directly and after so long and bloody a war, any kind of peace has to look very tempting.
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Apr 30, 2017 11:01
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They've started sending goons to the front lines.
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Svartvit posted:They've started sending goons to the front lines. lol holy poo poo that poor Emirati kid. like, THE MOST pampered group of people on the face of the earth. loooooooool.
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How many men have the Saudis and their Gulf allies lost in Yemen? I'm pretty sure I've read numerous times about how notoriously wasteful they've been in how they've waged war and that they've had several tank columns ambushed and destroyed and even lost officers as high as generals.
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Apr 30, 2017 14:22
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Is there any chance the Kurds create a legitimate homeland for themselves (UN Status) or is that impossible because of Turkey?
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Al-Saqr posted:lol holy poo poo that poor Emirati kid. like, THE MOST pampered group of people on the face of the earth. loooooooool. So basically he really is what everyone keeps accusing you of being?
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To Battle posted:Is there any chance the Kurds create a legitimate homeland for themselves (UN Status) or is that impossible because of Turkey? I very much doubt it. I think the best they can hope for is relatively self governing autonumous regions within Syria and Iraq rather than full blown nationhood
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El Disco posted:So basically he really is what everyone keeps accusing you of being? I dunno I'm a lazy nerd person who likes to play video games and watch anime and I've never had military training so I'm probably worse if were going by that metric, then again he probably is super rich and gets those welfare checks and I dont. Actually come to think of it, I've started to notice that Qatar and the UAE have actually started to make alot of their young men be in the military from a young age, I met a Qatari college student who graduated high school from what was essentially a military academy type thing, very well disciplined guy and takes care of himself, I suppose it's easy to have a conscripted and loyal population of young people if both those countries have the combined population of a medium sized Saudi town. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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To Battle posted:Is there any chance the Kurds create a legitimate homeland for themselves (UN Status) or is that impossible because of Turkey? Basically, Turkey would have to be completely removed from the equation. Granted, I wouldn't put it pass Erdogan to attempt a full invasion of Syrian Kurdistan at this point, everything else has failed and it doesn't seem skirmishing is slowing down YPG offensives against ISIS.
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Bohemian Nights posted:I very much doubt it. I think the best they can hope for is relatively self governing autonumous regions within Syria and Iraq rather than full blown nationhood I was assuming once Daesh is defeated they could get some portion of northern Iraq in a manner similar to when Yugoslavia dissolved but I guess I'm being to hopeful because of the region.
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To Battle posted:I guess I'm being to hopeful because of the region. Yeah, just check the thread title.
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Troubling news! https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/857111538867605504
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https://twitter.com/NRT_English/status/858440758897942528 https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/858669653438197760 Coal. I imagine once Mosul is liberated, clearing up Kirkuk and pushing the rest of the IS forces to the syrian border should mostly be a formality with the massive mosul manpower freed up. Three weeks seems a little bit on the optimistic side, though. I guess we'll have to see how rapid the progress is at the start of this next phase of the operation. Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Apr 30, 2017 15:58
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Ghost of Babyhead posted:Troubling news! This owns.
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Bip Roberts posted:This owns. I will risk being called a fascist nazi by saying no, it doesn't own.
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https://twitter.com/civilwarmap/status/858642414038331392 lmao turkey has no friends
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Brother Friendship posted:https://twitter.com/civilwarmap/status/858642414038331392 Don't forget Northern Cyprus.
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Brother Friendship posted:https://twitter.com/civilwarmap/status/858642414038331392 I saw a few tweets about that, and it would be nice if true, but so far I've found no pictures, no official statements or any other verifications of it outside of tweets using other tweets as their source, so I'm a little bit skeptical.
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Uncle Kitchener posted:I will risk being called a fascist nazi by saying no, it doesn't own. Protip: Try not to side with the fascist nazis even when you feel like there's the possibility of blowback.
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Bohemian Nights posted:SDF have almost fully captured tabqa after making huge gains yesterday and today. Only the northernmost districts and the dam itself remains https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/68ezar/syrian_democratic_forces_almost_fully_captured/ HevalShizNit, who is apparently living in Rojava posted:Speaking with my friends on the ground, there appear to be almost no mines. At least nowhere near the scale they were in Manbij. All in all, this seems to be the deciding factor. The mines can slow down and bleed YPG enough to drag it out, but without them, Daesh simply can't stand long against the amount of air support the coalition is able to bring in. Given that Shaddadi is now a big anti-ISIS hub in east Syria, this bodes well for Tabqa. Other news, an update on the Jaish al Islam vs https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/68f4mc/army_of_islam_statement_70_of_tahrir_alshams/ Army of Islam statement: "70% of Tahrir al-Sham's forces in Eastern Ghouta have been eliminated. We are determined to terminate this intruder" https://twitter.com/jaishalislam/status/858627552373506050 r Syrian civil war poster Abu3rab translating the tweet posted:
Bonus, Kobani after rebuilding: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/681z9f/kobani_tonight_nonstop_enormous_work_efforts_of/ https://twitter.com/jackshahine/status/857797266639392769 quote:#Kobani tonight Full resolution image:  And yes, those are streetlights at night. Thanks Tishrin dam! Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Bohemian Nights posted:https://twitter.com/NRT_English/status/858440758897942528 Not to be rude to the forces fighting to push IS out of Mosul, but I will believe it when I see it.
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Saladin Rising posted:Turns out there's a reason he SDF is continuing to move so fast in Tabqa, and it's not just the low number of ISIS soldiers: I wonder if this is because the attack on Tabqa was a surprise. Daesh was anticipating the SDF to have to force a Euphrates crossing somewhere and thought they'd have more time to prepare the city's defenses.
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Ikasuhito posted:Not to be rude to the forces fighting to push IS out of Mosul, but I will believe it when I see it. Eh, less rude and more realistic I think, but if they manage to keep going at the rate they've liberated west mosul so far, three weeks is very optimistic but not entirely impossible. That said, rushing things would be catastrophic for the civillian population, so I at least hope this isn't an informal deadline from above Also this is pure gambling speculation on my part, but I'll throw out a guesstimate of another 6-7 weeks rather than 3, with the entire thing ending with the old quarters being surrounded and operations within taking far longer while most of the ISF troops move on to other fronts
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Can't wait for Trump to alienate another ally by taking sole credit for the liberation of Mosul.
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Ego-bot posted:Can't wait for Trump to alienate another ally by taking sole credit for the liberation of Mosul. If my memory serves me correctly he thought The Kurds and the Quds Force were the same group.
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Svartvit posted:They've started sending goons to the front lines. I hope the Houthis play by tourney rules.
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To Battle posted:If my memory serves me correctly he thought The Kurds and the Quds Force were the same group. Haha yeah he was asked about the Quds force and he said "They are being treated very unfairly!" Legitimate mistake, he though the reporter said Kurds but it was still funny as hell. I think it was fox news so naturally they didn't try to correct him.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:I hope the Houthis play by tourney rules. Well they are determined to make sure it's very unfun :
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https://twitter.com/AlMonitor/status/858742274041102336 Little background on the Ahmadinejad situation. The funny parts are that he was hated just as much by the principlists, if not moreso, as the reformists, which isn't really news. But both ideological blocs have put a mute on coverage of what's going on with him to try and kill him off politically. As I suspected, the Guardian Council did not "disqualify" him. Rather, they determined that his credentials did not qualify him. So he wasn't eligible to even hit the disqualification stage. Subtle distinction, but a distinction nonetheless. The Guardian Council vetting process is used to entrench the ruling class and prevent any sort of challenge to the government from within government. Typically this favors conservatives, and prevents anyone with an eye on real reform (or a vagina) from qualifying. Because of that, reformists have made quite a bit of noise about how unfair it is (though not too much noise, obviously). But the refusal to qualify Ahmadinejad actually fits right in line with what they want, so rather than continue to argue against the Guardian Council having the power to qualify/disqualify candidates without transparency, they've remained mute on it. Authoritarianism has its perks!
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Ghost of Babyhead posted:Troubling news! update https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/858709498222878725
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So, um, were there really "Arabs" there either? Nationalism in the Middle East is dumb.
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Notice there are also no #arabs as they had not yet left the Arabian Peninsula.
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