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jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
lmao that those mugwumps didn't give Ile-de-France the 75 points its glory deserves.

jBrereton has issued a correction as of 14:19 on Apr 30, 2017

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byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

etalian posted:

We can agree tht the Electoral College system is really stupid

bien sur

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

jBrereton posted:

lmao that those retards didn't give Ile-de-France the 75 points its glory deserves.

il faut ne pas etre ableist, camarade

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

mrbradlymrmartin posted:

il faut ne pas etre ableist, camarade
It's OK, they and I are both British and they would understand that no slight towards the actually handicapped was intended.

But ok I guess je doit changer the bad word etc.

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

etalian posted:

We can agree tht the Electoral College system is really stupid

Yep. It's so loving stupid and obviously just there to give southern states more sway.

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

SunAndSpring posted:

Yep. It's so loving stupid and obviously just there to give southern states more sway.

No it's there to make sure the masses don't pick the president, just the wise men.
It's the electoral college combined with the 3/5ths rule that gave southern states more sway.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Nanomashoes posted:

No it's there to make sure the masses don't pick the president, just the wise men.
It 👏 Was 👏 Originally 👏 Solely 👏 Intended 👏 To 👏 Stop 👏 Congress 👏 Picking 👏 The 👏 President 👏 Themselves 👏 In 👏 A 👏 System 👏 With 👏 A 👏 Theoretically 👏 Separate 👏 Legislative 👏 And 👏 Executive 👏 Branch 👏 Which 👏 Is 👏 Why 👏 Congresspeople 👏 Can't 👏 Be 👏 Electors

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

jBrereton posted:

It 👏 Was 👏 Originally 👏 Solely 👏 Intended 👏 To 👏 Stop 👏 Congress 👏 Picking 👏 The 👏 President 👏 Themselves 👏 In 👏 A 👏 System 👏 With 👏 A 👏 Theoretically 👏 Separate 👏 Legislative 👏 And 👏 Executive 👏 Branch 👏 Which 👏 Is 👏 Why 👏 Congresspeople 👏 Can't 👏 Be 👏 Electors

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over all this applause.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
please clap

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
there's a word limit where the applause emoji just becomes difficult

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


jBrereton posted:

It 👏 Was 👏 Originally 👏 Solely 👏 Intended 👏 To 👏 Stop 👏 Congress 👏 Picking 👏 The 👏 President 👏 Themselves 👏 In 👏 A 👏 System 👏 With 👏 A 👏 Theoretically 👏 Separate 👏 Legislative 👏 And 👏 Executive 👏 Branch 👏 Which 👏 Is 👏 Why 👏 Congresspeople 👏 Can't 👏 Be 👏 Electors

congrats you somehow made the clap even more obnoxious

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

I'm pretty sure it was originally intended as a last line of defense against populists and demagogues because Hamilton loving hated the unwashed masses and also democracy

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Fullhouse posted:

I'm pretty sure it was originally intended as a last line of defense against populists and demagogues because Hamilton loving hated the unwashed masses and also democracy
Nah that's a 2016 election myth people were all too willing to believe.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

jBrereton posted:

Nah that's a 2016 election myth people were all too willing to believe.
The Founding Fathers absolutely were wary of direct democracy. It's why it wasn't until the 20th century that Senators are actually elected by popular vote, instead of by state legislatures (and are elected for six year terms), why we have the electoral college instead of just the popular vote count, why we don't have a parliamentary system like the UK. They wanted to make sure that the opinion of the popular rabble was considered, but not too much.

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjhhhhhhjhhhhhhhhhjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cannabis
Waiting for there to be a dab emoji so I can make the claptexting thing even more obnoxious

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Azathoth posted:

The Founding Fathers absolutely were wary of direct democracy. It's why it wasn't until the 20th century that Senators are actually elected by popular vote, instead of by state legislatures (and are elected for six year terms), why we have the electoral college instead of just the popular vote count, why we don't have a parliamentary system like the UK. They wanted to make sure that the opinion of the popular rabble was considered, but not too much.

The founding fathers were a bunch of slave owning 1 percenters, who didn't believe in direct democracy

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


jBrereton posted:

It 👏 Was 👏 Originally 👏 Solely 👏 Intended 👏 To 👏 Stop 👏 Congress 👏 Picking 👏 The 👏 President 👏 Themselves 👏 In 👏 A 👏 System 👏 With 👏 A 👏 Theoretically 👏 Separate 👏 Legislative 👏 And 👏 Executive 👏 Branch 👏 Which 👏 Is 👏 Why 👏 Congresspeople 👏 Can't 👏 Be 👏 Electors

You should be ashamed of yourself

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014
I didn't bother looking up the details of the French electoral system because they are due for a new republic any day now and we'll just have to learn the new system.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/857290417183838212

the american left is terminally brokebrained and only capable of seeing electoral politics as a competition between centrism and fascism that fascism will eventually win

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
May Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5X2BvMS4yQ

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/30/france-on-extra-high-alert-for-may-day-as-protesters-march-against-le-pen

Top City Homo has issued a correction as of 07:50 on May 1, 2017

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Fallen Hamprince posted:

the american left is terminally brokebrained and only capable of seeing electoral politics as a competition between centrism and fascism that fascism will eventually win

Bitterness and pessimism are definitely going to finally start paying dividends any day now.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Fallen Hamprince posted:

https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/857290417183838212

the american left is terminally brokebrained and only capable of seeing electoral politics as a competition between centrism and fascism that fascism will eventually win

ppl confusing centrism with corporatism is annoying me a lot lately

consolidation of capital without qol improvements to the majority results in a good ol toss of the apple cart, whichever direction it flips seems to depend on the moment's mood.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

anime was right posted:

ppl confusing centrism with corporatism is annoying me a lot lately

consolidation of capital without qol improvements to the majority results in a good ol toss of the apple cart, whichever direction it flips seems to depend on the moment's mood.

that's not what corporatism means but when the right is fascism and the left is milquetoast social democracy, macron is the centrist you get

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

Fallen Hamprince posted:

that's not what corporatism means but when the right is fascism and the left is milquetoast social democracy, macron is the centrist you get

*milk toast

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

the character's name is Caspar Milquetoast not Caspar Milk Toast, cheque you'reself before you reck urself

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
macron is going to implement a whole poo poo tonne of austerity and the economy is going to go to poo poo, leftists aren't in a position to push so le pen is going to win the next election

quote me in 5 years

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

rudatron posted:

macron is going to implement a whole poo poo tonne of austerity and the economy is going to go to poo poo, leftists aren't in a position to push so le pen is going to win the next election

quote me in 5 years

this site wont be around in 5 years

quote me in 5 years

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

rudatron posted:

leftists aren't in a position to push

hahahaha how the gently caress is this real hahahahaha neoliberal just walk to the polling station like neoliberal run for office haha

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

socialism: the unstoppable people's revolution that just can't happen in five years because uh it'll be sleeping or something i dunno

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 218 days!
"you have to vote for me or else the Facists win" - the last thing you hear before the Facists win

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Fallen Hamprince posted:

https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/857290417183838212

the american left is terminally brokebrained and only capable of seeing electoral politics as a competition between centrism and fascism that fascism will eventually win

well considering the fight between centrism and conservatism has only resulted in both sides sliding ever rightward, how are they wrong? when does centrism finally reverse the rightward slide in politics, and how?

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Condiv posted:

well considering the fight between centrism and conservatism has only resulted in both sides sliding ever rightward, how are they wrong? when does centrism finally reverse the rightward slide in politics, and how?

the fight is between centrism and conservatism because western leftists are so loving bad at politics that they cant even imagine winning an election lmao

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
So Melenchon has put out a statement that was basically "I will not vote Le Pen and I call on you to not make this terrible mistake", which I'm sure still has anglo media holding their breaths and ready to blame France Insoumise rather than the actually likely guilty party, namely the roughly 30-50% of Republican voters who are probably going to give Le Pen most of her runoff bump.

Also he's definitely calling on people to focus on the legislatives.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 218 days!

Fallen Hamprince posted:

the fight is between centrism and conservatism because western leftists are so loving bad at politics that they cant even imagine winning an election lmao

well it turns out the supposed leftists were actually the centrists in question

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
the left did a pretty good campaign this time, they went like ten points up in two weeks of campaigning

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Fallen Hamprince posted:

the fight is between centrism and conservatism because western leftists are so loving bad at politics that they cant even imagine winning an election lmao

actually, it's more they get assasinated or attacked by conserative/centrist governments

there's also the problem of centrists pretending to support leftist policy (like obama)

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Condiv posted:

actually, it's more they get assasinated or attacked by conserative/centrist governments
OK but they attack conservative/centrist governments. That's part of what they're for. You can't expect those guys to just roll over and go "ah well history-as-future is not on my side, rip".

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Constantly Wrongprince

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

i have literally never been wrong online

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Fallen Hamprince posted:

i have literally never been wrong online

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