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What other countries require all tourists be accompanied by government-approved guides?
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May 1, 2017 01:10
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Guy Goodbody posted:What other countries require all tourists be accompanied by government-approved guides? And, in tandem with that, requires that your tour be restricted to a list of approved locations? edit: R. Guyovich posted:hmmm so independent companies run the tours, like i said. the existence of a tourism bureau in the government is the only factual aspect of this post R. Guyovich posted:everything is state owned there with few exceptions and it wouldn't make any sense for tourism to be one of those exceptions lol
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May 1, 2017 01:23
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i wonder what happens if you count cards in a north korean casino
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May 1, 2017 02:22
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Who would go to a casino in NK other than well-known criminals who had been kicked out of every other casino on earth?
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May 1, 2017 02:23
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maskenfreiheit posted:i wonder what happens if you count cards in a north korean casino the juche ideal smites you upon the spot
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May 1, 2017 02:28
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Samurai Sanders posted:Who would go to a casino in NK other than well-known criminals who had been kicked out of every other casino on earth? It's the nearest legal casino for a lot of people in China, since you'd otherwise need to go out to Hong Kong or Macau.
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May 1, 2017 02:32
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fishmech posted:It's the nearest legal casino for a lot of people in China, since you'd otherwise need to go out to Hong Kong or Macau.
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May 1, 2017 02:34
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Macau is Vegas, North Korea is a depressing Indian casino. Somehow the latter still get customers.
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May 1, 2017 02:42
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Macau is Vegas, North Korea is a depressing Indian casino. Somehow the latter still get customers. maybe nk also has cheap cigarettes
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May 1, 2017 02:45
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maskenfreiheit posted:maybe nk also has cheap cigarettes Their supermarkets give change in sticks of chewing gum instead of hard cash, so maybe the Chinese really need something to chew on while hitting the slots.
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May 1, 2017 04:19
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Why is the mod threadshitting?
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May 1, 2017 04:24
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The future must not belong to those who slander gin and juche.
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May 1, 2017 07:38
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Granted, having casinos just there to suck in hard currency from abroad is probably the way to do it in all honesty. Also, it is quite clear that life in Pyongyang is far more privileged than the provinces but isn't like there isn't video/photographic evidence of the countryside and regional cities either. The only evidence from North Korea isn't just tour videos. It is very clearly a regime that should be supported, but probably some effort needs to be applied to actually finding out what is going on. I mean there is a rumor taken for fact that the Pyongyang metro was only two stations, we now know it is a fully functional system. Also, it does seem to be evident that Chinese money is flowing into the country which if anything has propped up the regime. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 09:58 on May 1, 2017 |
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May 1, 2017 09:50
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R. Guyovich posted:hmmm so independent companies run the tours, like i said. the existence of a tourism bureau in the government is the only factual aspect of this post R. Guyovich posted:they're just guides R. Guyovich posted:everything is state owned there with few exceptions and it wouldn't make any sense for tourism to be one of those exceptions Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Juche Ideology Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The DPRK Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha
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May 1, 2017 10:09
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It's pretty clear R. Guy has never actually gone on these trips. Everyone who has describe both civilians and guides living in fear of the handlers, who have the power to send them away for good if they don't stick to the script.
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May 1, 2017 10:24
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e: Whoops, forgot what subforum this is. Yeah, from Aid workers to foreign business (I can't remember the account of that French animator, but it was p drat good) the feedback is much the same: People who don't toe the line vanish pretty easily in N. K. You can extrapolate their tours and the general atmosphere of them fairly easily from that.
WarpedNaba fucked around with this message at 10:57 on May 1, 2017 |
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May 1, 2017 10:47
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420 Gank Mid posted:Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Juche Ideology Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The DPRK Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha Some pro tankie opinions itt. Glory to the DPRK :songuncry:
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May 1, 2017 11:54
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Tias posted:It's pretty clear R. Guy has never actually gone on these trips. Everyone who has describe both civilians and guides living in fear of the handlers, who have the power to send them away for good if they don't stick to the script. lmao
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May 1, 2017 13:26
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Volcott posted:The future must not belong to those who slander gin and juche. Kim Jong Trill's old av (not sure if he still has it) and name has been one of my favorite av/name combo in forum history. R. Guyovich posted:lmao So do you get paid for astroturfing the DPRK? Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 13:30 on May 1, 2017 |
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May 1, 2017 13:26
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seems like a really wise and sustainable business model, hosting tours for people (everyone!) to live in soul-numbing fear every second for three to five days
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May 1, 2017 13:30
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R. Guyovich posted:seems like a really wise and sustainable business model, hosting tours for people (everyone!) to live in soul-numbing fear every second for three to five days It's almost like the Kim regime doesnt have their priorities straight
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May 1, 2017 13:29
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R. Guyovich posted:seems like a really wise and sustainable business model, hosting tours for people (everyone!) to live in soul-numbing fear every second for three to five days  All of those fake towers facing major roads sure is a sign of a healthy and vibrant city and not just some big facade.
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May 1, 2017 13:32
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the belief that as a westerner everything on earth revolves around you apparently extends to tours of a foreign country, where your presence is so important the dprk government sends stern minders to track your every move, rather than some people with basic tour guide training coming along to point out landmarks and not having any answers for your stupid political questions their response to dprk government questions is about the same as it would be if a foreign tourist came to washington dc and kept asking about the us strategic nuclear reserve
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May 1, 2017 13:34
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R. Guyovich posted:the belief that as a westerner everything on earth revolves around you apparently extends to tours of a foreign country, where your presence is so important the dprk government sends stern minders to track your every move, rather than some people with basic tour guide training coming along to point out landmarks and not having any answers for your stupid political questions The only people who say anything remotely similar to what you're saying are paid astroturfers. Anyone that has actually been reports that the government ran tour guides are basically in noticeable fear for their life if anything goes slightly off script, they're terrified of any handlers that are around, and the entire thing is as real as a spaghetti western set. So are you just a moron or getting paid? If you're getting paid, how is the pay? Is it per post or do you get a flat salary?
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May 1, 2017 13:38
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tankie
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May 1, 2017 13:41
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Wise investments of the Kim Regime: Literal Potemkin Villages Enough Hennessy to pickle Kim Jong Un's corpse Bribing SA mods for favorable coverage
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May 1, 2017 13:44
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420 Gank Mid posted:It's almost like the Kim regime doesnt have their priorities straight your claim is absurd and has no basis in fact. travelogues and quotes from people who visited overwhelmingly say they felt totally safe while there
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May 1, 2017 13:44
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totally reasonable belief: a city of millions of people is putting on a show just for little ol' me insane tankie belief: that's probably not true
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May 1, 2017 13:46
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R. Guyovich posted:totally reasonable belief: a city of millions of people is putting on a show just for little ol' me Then why is the entire part of the strictly controlled tour routes full of fake buildings? You're the only person here with the absurd belief, hence why I figure you're getting paid for it. I don't really want to believe someone could be this dense.
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May 1, 2017 13:50
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Proposal: A nation for "responsible Kim worshippers" and "anti-imperialism" Reality: A tankie falls through the earth into the outskirts of Pyongyang, taking an unexploded land mine from the ground he spies row upon row of hastily dug mass graves. Grasping the nearest corpse by the shoulders, he shakes it madly, yelling "My comrade have you tried Juche"
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May 1, 2017 13:53
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After a decade of going in and out of the country, Cockerell is an old hand on North Korea. He’s seen the Truman-esque symptoms that afflict visitors enough times to recognize the symptoms and puts the condition down to something he calls the “banality of normality.” “When you go to North Korea you expect to see goose stepping and marching up and down and that every statement will be wildly anti-American and then you see someone fishing or on the Metro and you think, ‘it’s a setup, no one actually goes fishing or just sits on a bench,’” says Cockerell. So, finally, the answer to the burning question: Where are all the people going? “How the hell should I know?” says Cockerell. “They’re not going to an Internet café or a nightclub. “They could be going somewhere very normal -- to work, to the shop, to see a friend -- the range of options is perhaps less than in other cities, but they’re not all going to anti-American rallies.” And if that answer fails to convince the tourist with a severe case of Truman-esque surreal, then he has another line that usually helps pull them out of it: “Turn on the TV and watch it for a while -- you’ll soon see they’re not very good actors.”
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May 1, 2017 13:55
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R. Guyovich posted:totally reasonable belief: a city of millions of people is putting on a show just for little ol' me Are you convinced that there's no way a government would go to those sorts of lengths? Their regime is based on complete control of the narrative. To them, manipulating perception is absolutely essential, even for insignificant tourists that might be coming just to take a few photos. Even if it doesn't influence the tourist's opinions, it sure as hell sends a message to the citizens who witness the tight management of international guests.
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May 1, 2017 13:57
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I am on a tour of North Korea right now, and I can assure the thread that the hospitable and conciliatory guides the government so graciously provides for the enjoyment and edification of visitors like me have been thoroughly accommodating and have shown me everything I wish to see of the strong, harmonious, and self-reliant city-on-a-hill society that the Kims in their eternal divine wisdom have wrought upon this earth. Kim Jong Un even stopped by to give some on-the-spot corrections to enhance the educational and enjoyable aspects of this most magnificent tour of this most magnificent country.
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May 1, 2017 13:57
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*blinks furiously*
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May 1, 2017 13:59
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VitalSigns posted:I am on a tour of North Korea right now, and I can assure the thread that the hospitable and conciliatory guides the government so graciously provides for the enjoyment and edification of visitors like me have been thoroughly accommodating and have shown me everything I wish to see of the strong, harmonious, and self-reliant city-on-a-hill society that the Kims in their eternal divine wisdom have wrought upon this earth. Kim Jong Un even stopped by to give some on-the-spot corrections to enhance the educational and enjoyable aspects of this most magnificent tour of this most magnificent country. Was he giving you a handjob as you wrote this?
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May 1, 2017 14:00
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Mr. Nice! posted:
Lies spread by the imperialist pigdogs!
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May 1, 2017 14:01
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New Zealand tourist Will Seal watched the "Vice Guide to North Korea” ahead of his first visit. “Watching that creates a certain impression in your mind, but all the weird elements that you see -- the propaganda, the pictures of the leaders everywhere, the army on the streets -- you can see those things in other countries, too,” says Seal. “In Thailand there are pictures of the royal family everywhere. I felt like a lot of what we’d heard was overhyped.” wow someone treat this guy for ptsd
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May 1, 2017 14:03
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No one is trying to say that you'll see the military or anything like that on your tour. What started this is people saying that the tours are strictly government controlled and take place along a route that is filled with false buildings and other facades to make the country seem more vibrant and less like a third world shithole. Then you went on some crazy tirade against the concept that literally everyone else agrees with. Absolutely no one here corroborates your position, and, in fact, many people have pointed out just how wrong you are. Now, I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but the smartest kid in america said you're a moron, and who am I to question wikipedia brown. So are you getting paid, or just a moron?
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May 1, 2017 14:08
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no you posted a google earth photo which only proves what you say it proves if you assume the entire thing is a potemkin sham in the first place. the best anyone can do is people having the feeling it was fake despite nothing corroborating that belief whatsoever. the guy who's been there over 100 times is a far more reliable source than the dipshits in this thread
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May 1, 2017 14:12
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Stairmaster posted:Why is the mod threadshitting? Nah, he's just an idiot king with a thing for literalism. Mr. Nice! posted:
loving literal Potemkin villages.  
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