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Rexxed posted:I would not buy a refurbished hard drive. Not an empty quote.
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ruta posted:Edit: you know what, I give up. You have a PS4 already - grab a copy of 14 for that rather than trying to brute force through emulation roadblocks.
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It's cool that booting into Windows for 3 minutes to launch a game is so devastatingly awful he'd rather spend hundreds of dollars more for a much less better solution
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Is it a bit naive to expect a significant price drop on the GTX 1070 with the release of Vega in the next two months?
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I got this Z170-K Motherboard and it only has 4 standard SATA ports, unlike my old board which had 6. I have 4 internal drives and a blu-ray drive, so I'm short a slot. Now, it has a SATA Express slot which appears to be able to take a SATA input - but I don't know much about SATA express and googling has been spectacularly useless as to whether or not it's okay to plug in my extra drive. It appears it should be able to, it just won't utilize SATA express, but I saw another post where someone was screaming "DON'T DO IT YOU'LL BLOW UP YOUR MACHINE"
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Deep Thought posted:Is it a bit naive to expect a significant price drop on the GTX 1070 with the release of Vega in the next two months? If you don't desperately need a new card, and/or might want a Vega itself, I'd wait. But I don't think you're looking at too significant a drop, they've already fallen when the 1080 fell from the 1080ti's release, taking most or all of the "slack" out of the price. Vega might surprise us all, but today's rumours suggest it'll just about level with a 1070. No idea on price.
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Khablam posted:If you don't desperately need a new card, and/or might want a Vega itself, I'd wait. Ok, thanks. I am a bit desperate for a card so I think I'll buy one now instead of holding out two months to see how Vega performs. I might look for something comparable to the 1070 like a 980 Ti; see if I can get a deal on that, or do you think it's worth paying $40/£30 more on a 1070, for someone looking to play games like New Vegas or Men of War in 144hz. Deep Thought fucked around with this message at 23:00 on May 1, 2017 |
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I bought an AMD phenom II 1100 back in 2011, and was recently confronted with being unable to keep up with my friends factorio server. I tried using the overclocking application that came with the computer and got it to 3.5 ghz, but I'm starting to wonder when I should upgrade my setup. I play mostly CPU-intensive games, Europa Universalis, stellaris, hearts of Iron and now also factorio, so it seems like a good idea to go for an i5 K. I'm looking for opinions on whether it's better to wait for the next generation to start coming out this year or to just get the current one? It's not like I'm desperate to upgrade.
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Deep Thought posted:Ok, thanks. I am a bit desperate for a card. I've decided I'm going to buy a card now instead of holding out. I might look for something comparable to the 1070 like a 980 Ti; see if I can get a deal on that, or do you think it's worth paying $40/£30 more on a 1070, for someone looking to play games like New Vegas or Men of War in 144hz. Just a side note, but the Bethesda fallout games + elder scrolls games don't like running at above 60fps as a general rule. However, I Googled out of curiosity and apparantly if you installed the new vegas stutter removal mod and new vegas anti crash tool it should work. I'd imagine your mileage may vary, but thought I'd mention it.
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Deep Thought posted:Ok, thanks. I am a bit desperate for a card so I think I'll buy one now instead of holding out two months to see how Vega performs. I might look for something comparable to the 1070 like a 980 Ti; see if I can get a deal on that, or do you think it's worth paying $40/£30 more on a 1070, for someone looking to play games like New Vegas or Men of War in 144hz. I think it's worth the extra money for how much more vram this generation has versus the last. Power wise a 980ti is probably pretty good but having 8gb vram makes me feel more secure for the future
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Amazon has the EVGA 1070 SC Black Edition for $343.56: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KVZBNY0 You might still be able to find one for ~$320 on Jet.com with SPRING15, but this is a pretty good base price for a Step Up-able card. ----- And for those of us still running DDR3, Amazon also has a lowish-profile DDR3-1866 2x8GB kit (not a huge speed boost if you're running 1600Mhz, but if you're running 1333Mhz for whatever reason it might be a nice bump) for $87.56: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8E8Y5C (Also, don't buy the low-voltage stuff - DDR3L is different from DDR3 - it won't work in older boards) Their DDR3-2133 kit is now pushing $160. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 00:30 on May 2, 2017 |
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Captain Hair posted:Just a side note, but the Bethesda fallout games + elder scrolls games don't like running at above 60fps as a general rule. You might get your frame rate above 60fps,but if you do, the Havok physics engine will accelerate everything like this: https://youtu.be/r4EHjFkVw-s
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Amazon has the EVGA 1070 SC Black Edition for $343.56: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KVZBNY0 That is a real good price. Too bad for me that it costs a hundred pounds extra in the UK. We don't get the amazing sales that you guys do. Someone here might be able to find a used EVGA 1070 for £320 (£330 w/p&p), for £20 more they could buy one new and for £30 less they might buy a used 980ti. Wowporn posted:I think it's worth the extra money for how much more vram this generation has versus the last. Power wise a 980ti is probably pretty good but having 8gb vram makes me feel more secure for the future Ah, for some reason I thought the 1070 was a 6GB card. Couldn't there be an argument that the RX 480; with its 8gb vram, doesn't do better than the 6gb GTX 1060 in benchmarks? The 1070 is the better card of course, but comparatively its 2gb extra vram and the optimized VR stuff seems to come at a small premium. Captain Hair posted:I'd imagine your mileage may vary, but thought I'd mention it. Thanks, I might be better skipping 144hz and going 1440p with G-sync. Something else I gotta look into. Deep Thought fucked around with this message at 01:25 on May 2, 2017 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:And for those of us still running DDR3, Amazon also has a lowish-profile DDR3-1866 2x8GB kit (not a huge speed boost if you're running 1600Mhz, but if you're running 1333Mhz for whatever reason it might be a nice bump) for $87.56: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8E8Y5C (Also, don't buy the low-voltage stuff - DDR3L is different from DDR3 - it won't work in older boards) Funny you should mention that but about 2 months ago I bought a 8GB (2x4GB) kit of DDR3-2133 for my old 2500K@4.2GHz for $70 and it boosted the minimal framerates in some of my games from my old DDR3-1600 kit. Trying to stretch this rig out until August or September when Coffee Lake is released. I'm currently praying to the CPU gods for a ~$250 6C/6T Coffee Lake Core-i5.  It's just too bad that DDR4 RAM prices are going to be absolutely terrible by then. 
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spasticColon posted:Funny you should mention that but about 2 months ago I bought a 8GB (2x4GB) kit of DDR3-2133 for my old 2500K@4.2GHz for $70 and it boosted the minimal framerates in some of my games from my old DDR3-1600 kit. Trying to stretch this rig out until August or September when Coffee Lake is released. I'm currently praying to the CPU gods for a ~$250 6C/6T Coffee Lake Core-i5. The funny thing is, you might very well make a decent profit selling that 2133 RAM secondhand by then to people who are determined to run their 2nd and 3rd-gen Cores right into the ground. I don't think going from 1600 to 1833 is a big jump, but hey, there might be people out there running a 2500K with 1333 RAM. 
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Struensee posted:I bought an AMD phenom II 1100 back in 2011, and was recently confronted with being unable to keep up with my friends factorio server. I tried using the overclocking application that came with the computer and got it to 3.5 ghz, but I'm starting to wonder when I should upgrade my setup. I play mostly CPU-intensive games, Europa Universalis, stellaris, hearts of Iron and now also factorio, so it seems like a good idea to go for an i5 K. I'm looking for opinions on whether it's better to wait for the next generation to start coming out this year or to just get the current one? 3.5 seems really low for that chip as an OC. My 955 is currently sitting at 4.25. That said the Phenoms are quite dated at this point and did not age well. Depending on what you're looking for the I7 is undisputed king. I5s are very very good mid-range options as are the AMD R5s (if you do your homework on ram. Although how much value you put on a few FPS here and there it might be irrelevant). Intel has new chips coming out soon as well so if you squeeze a higher clock out of that 1100 and it suits your needs the wait and see game might be best.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:(Also, don't buy the low-voltage stuff - DDR3L is different from DDR3 - it won't work in older boards) Wrong way around, DDR3L works in boards made for DDR3 but not necessarily the reverse. It's just lower voltage DDR3, it will just XMP to 1.35v and be happy. As a general rule, motherboards don't have a problem running with lower voltage like they do with higher voltage stuff relative to baseline. Hell, you can just run it at 1.5-1.65v and try and get a higher speed bracket out of it than rated.
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Ah. I remember hearing DDR3L was differently-keyed, and I'd only ever seen it used on a few deceptively-cheap Dell Skylake desktops. I've never actually touched the stuff.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:3.5 seems really low for that chip as an OC. My 955 is currently sitting at 4.25. That said the Phenoms are quite dated at this point and did not age well. Depending on what you're looking for the I7 is undisputed king. I5s are very very good mid-range options as are the AMD R5s (if you do your homework on ram. Although how much value you put on a few FPS here and there it might be irrelevant). Intel has new chips coming out soon as well so if you squeeze a higher clock out of that 1100 and it suits your needs the wait and see game might be best. I was nearing the first 8 hours of night shift work, so I recalled incorrectly. I got 3.8 Ghz using the catalyst control centre.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Amazon has the EVGA 1070 SC Black Edition for $343.56: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KVZBNY0 Would it be worth +~$50 for the icx version? Or does that matter anymore? (Midtower case)
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Jack Forge posted:Would it be worth +~$50 for the icx version? Or does that matter anymore? (Midtower case) No, if you're willing to spend ~400 you may as well wait for a 1080 on sale. There was one for $420 recently.
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Posting my current specs for advice before I go spend a grand on upgrading my whole rig. I mainly use it for gaming, and I've been noticing low fps in a few modern games on medium-high settings. I would like to run most modern games near 60fps on high, and not upgrade again for a few years. A few games are choppy and although they're not completely unplayable, each new release is running a bit shittier. Basically my question is which should I focus on upgrading first, if anything? I had thought my CPU, looking at the i7700, but I know if I'm patient I should wait until the end of summer. CPU: i5-3570k @ 3.4 RAM: 8GB DDR3 Video: Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 Have an SSD for games, HDD for other stuff
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i had almost that same pc and upgrading to a 1070 and 16gb of ram was nice, although it feels kinda lame to suggest that being one generation behind on graphics cards is that huge of a difference. My r9 290 was close to a 970 and it did make a difference, though. Also overclock your cpu
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Is 16GB RAM still ahead of the curve or is 32GB looking sensible now? I have a 6700K and 1070 if it matters, but I'm seeing games list 16GB as the recommended amount of RAM and I like to stay ahead of that.
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Shumagorath posted:Is 16GB RAM still ahead of the curve or is 32GB looking sensible now? I have a 6700K and 1070 if it matters, but I'm seeing games list 16GB as the recommended amount of RAM and I like to stay ahead of that. A few months ago when you could get a 2x16GB DDR4-3000 kit for ~$180 (and a 2x8GB kit was anywhere from $90-110) and someone was doing a new build coming off a 5+ year old system with "gaming and RAM-happy professional work" listed under "uses," I'd often recommend 32GB as a 'hedge' toward another 'five-plus year system.' Now that same kit is running *~$260* and probably will only get more expensive in the short-to-mid-term. Also, I've never been a fan of fully populating all four DIMM slots on a consumer motherboard. It's never caused anything other than instability for me, so in a "should I upgrade to 32GB" situation, someone's always going to prefer moving to a 4x8 config because it's going to be cheaper - save for the fact that they're 95% locked in to buying the *exact* same 2x8 kit they originally bought, too, which puts them at the mercy of competitive pricing in a market of scarcity. But to TL;DR your initial question - right now there is nothing out there save 'professional' applications that will benefit from 32GB of RAM over 16GB, and with RAM prices seemingly having a rocket attached to them right now, it's probably really prudent to wait until the fabs are able to sufficiently flood the market again and drop prices. The better question would be "what speed grade is your current 16GB of RAM?" ----- Also, while I have this space here, Amazon's selling the heatsinked Plextor 512GB NVMe drive for $200 (~$50 less than the 960 EVO 500GB): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JCXXRVE BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:33 on May 3, 2017 |
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I laready have 16GB so I could just throw money at a second 16GB kit. I'm saving that much this month on internet alone after switching to my condo's fibre provider. I had 4 DIMM / 16GB on my last PC and never had a problem.
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Shumagorath posted:I laready have 16GB so I could just throw money at a second 16GB kit. I'm saving that much this month on internet alone after switching to my condo's fibre provider. Sure thing - still, take in mind you're buying 'high.' The prices have to drop *eventually*, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy while prices are so high for something that's not going to provide a noticeable or tangible performance increase.
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Thanks for the info - $200 seemed cheap but I lost my shopping list from when I built this box.
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I'm primarily a gamer with music production as a secondary use of my PC. I'm currently running a 4690k with an ASUS Maximus Ranger VII and 16GB of 1866Mhz DDR3. Am I likely to see much benefit moving up to a 7700k / STRIX Z270E / 16GB of 3200Mhz DDR4? I'm running a 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor at the moment but may add a 1440p 144Hz G-Sync specifically for gaming. I already have a 1080 Ti so obviously that won't be upgraded 
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Digital Jesus posted:I'm primarily a gamer with music production as a secondary use of my PC. I'm currently running a 4690k with an ASUS Maximus Ranger VII and 16GB of 1866Mhz DDR3. Am I likely to see much benefit moving up to a 7700k / STRIX Z270E / 16GB of 3200Mhz DDR4? Hell no, wait for Kaby-X/Sky-X or Coffee Lake. Try and goose your CPU a bit more.
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Good call. I just wasn't sure if there was going to be some huge performance benefit from finally jumping up to a DDR4 platform or something. I'm not dissatisfied with the performance I'm getting, I'm just kind of a serial upgrader I guess Thanks! I guess the only real benefit would be getting full speed out of an NVMe drive? Digital Jesus fucked around with this message at 06:47 on May 3, 2017 |
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Digital Jesus posted:I guess the only real benefit would be getting full speed out of an NVMe drive? Pretty much. Even then, the NVMe space will hopefully be more well-rounded by the new chips' releases. Right now it's being hit hard by the NAND shortage.
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if i swapped my 2500k for a 2700k with every other part being the same would it make me install a fresh windows?
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Fauxtool posted:if i swapped my 2500k for a 2700k with every other part being the same would it make me install a fresh windows? No, it shouldn't.
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Reading comprehension, I lack it
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So thinking about upgrading my old rig from 2010/11. The only thing I'm keeping is my new-ish ASUS Strix 970 that I got 2 years ago. Want to upgrade because it's starting to show some age on new games and just in general. I mainly play Dota 2 but I do play some games from time to time. But I like the rig to be small, sleek and quiet and I don't overclock and never really plan to. Hench, why I want to try and build a smaller computer with a Mini ITX and wanted to get the Fractal Design Define Nano and also try M.2. Case: Fractal Design Define Nano (I have a R3 and love it, so hence why I wanna try this one.) MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Strix Z270i Gaming (or maybe get the N variant?) CPU: Intel Core I5 7600K 3.8GHz (Unlocked Kaby Lake No Fan) FAN: Be Quiet Pure Rock or the Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim? RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 2133MHz (I think there is two in it?) Power: Corsair SF Series SF450 or Fractals Design 450W? SSD: Samsung 960 Evo M.2 500GB Main questions are: Should I bump it up to 550W, since I might want to upgrade the GPU at one point and use more SSDs? I have Windows 7 now and I can upgrade to 10 but not sure how that will work with getting a new system. Plus I love 7 and I feel hesitant about Win10 but then I have to change the CPU, right? If you have better idea or think this whole Mini-ITX idea is bad, let me know!
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victrix posted:Query, for the samsung 960 pro ssd, how full can it get before performance begins to suffer? 50%? 75%? I would also like to know if there's a goon consensus on this old chestnut. Specifically, I'd like to know if there would be any perceptible difference with, say, 15% free compared to 25%?
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Looking to upgrade my rig for gaming. Current Rig: I5 3570k 8GB DDR3 1333 GTX 970 I've got everything figured out except the CPU. Are the Ryzen 1600's comparable to an i5 7600k or is the 7600k still a better chip? I don't stream and play everything from Battlefield to 8bit indy games. At this point I don't know if I should add another 8gb of ram, get a 1080 and wait for the next gen of intel chips or go full rebuild.
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