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Psawhn Yooper's post that had the start time:Yooper posted:https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/angola/luanda?month=6
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Coffeehitler posted:Psawhn Yooper's post that had the start time: Oh, whoops. Thanks.
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thatbastardken posted:Bombing the port is a bad idea - the world will get pissy if we interrupt the lithium supply. And I reiterate the suggestion of a heliborne assault on Kuito. Hell, have our own ground guys spearhead it, it might justify the three hots and a cot we're spotting them while they run Broke-rear end Fight Club. For psyops against the dictator, drop a blowup doll of a pig with lipstick and a dress on it and an attached label saying "your waifu is poo poo" on his palace.
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May 2, 2017 00:49
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I'm very much under the impression that the Count doesn't have much in the way of rotary-wing assets, and I really doubt he's got enough to pull off an aerial offensive.
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May 2, 2017 01:09
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Loel posted:Walk away from their weapons, and walk south. Sure, if they're willing to completely dissolve their company and forfeit its assets right now. A lot of people would rather be dead than poor. Also uh, do any of us speak Bulgarian?
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May 2, 2017 01:10
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paragon1 posted:Sure, if they're willing to completely dissolve their company and forfeit its assets right now. A lot of people would rather be dead than poor. No problem there.
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May 2, 2017 01:13
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The Count is inspired by our grandiose plans for aerial assaults but ultimately believes them to be beyond his troops. His soldiers excel at bush warfare, hiding in the steppes and valleys, striking out against a less inspired, but better equipped foe. Riding in old MI-8's, a leased cargo plane, and a dream, is beyond them. In his own words, "These are not US Rangers, but Mbeke Rangers!"
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May 2, 2017 01:14
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As a practical matter, do cluster bomblets even work in water? I picture them sinking to the bottom and being useless.
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May 2, 2017 01:26
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Can we include just enough of a strike on the presidential palace to spook but not kill the dictator? Someone can go on twitter and thank his most competent employee for the leak. 
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May 2, 2017 01:28
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Loel posted:As a practical matter, do cluster bomblets even work in water? I picture them sinking to the bottom and being useless. If they do work, then I just thought of a great, expensive new way to fish.
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May 2, 2017 01:30
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Loel posted:As a practical matter, do cluster bomblets even work in water? I picture them sinking to the bottom and being useless. I think in theory they do work, but the damage model is not kind to them. They'll pretty much bounce off of any ship you drop them on.
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May 2, 2017 01:36
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Going be annoying again and ask that land-strike planners make sure we're not left completely vulnerable to an amphib assault behind our lines. Detection shouldn't be an issue so long as we occasionally check out the western coast, since landing ships are slow (unless Dos Santos uses ekranoplans (OH GOD LET'S BUY SOME EKRANOPLANS)) and our recon is so good. The harder bit is to make sure some naval strike aircraft are available within a "reasonable" amount of time before they could get to our coast - ie not needing to take three hours to switch from "warcrimes" to "anti-ship" loadouts. I'm not saying that we have to have ~our precious~ *gollum* Gripens mope around the tarmac with ASMs all day, just maybe stagger sorties a bit and make sure that some of the strike loadouts can also be used against shipping (without having to go right up on them and strafe like it's WWII). I'm not groggy enough to figure it out but I'm sure lots of the land strike munitions on the various planes can (safely) put holes in botes too? Just asking that they be available in case somebody tries to get smart on us.
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May 2, 2017 01:42
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Neophyte posted:I'm not groggy enough to figure it out but I'm sure lots of the land strike munitions on the various planes can (safely) put holes in botes too? Just asking that they be available in case somebody tries to get smart on us. The only land strike weapons we can use against ships are Mavericks and Paveways which have a range of 4-6 nautical miles.
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May 2, 2017 01:48
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Hell yeah, I get to drive a plane now. But not just any plane, a sexy french plane. The french make the most seductive aircraft.Davin Valkri posted:I think in theory they do work, but the damage model is not kind to them. They'll pretty much bounce off of any ship you drop them on. Honestly do cluster bombs work at all? Would they be more effective against grouped ground targets then our paveways?
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May 2, 2017 02:00
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sparkmaster posted:Hell yeah, I get to drive a plane now. But not just any plane, a sexy french plane. The french make the most seductive aircraft.  I've been holding on writing up an actual plan because the first one of Davin Valkri posted:Are we going to get an "in engine" intel map before we start planning operations? And will we have any option to "forward deploy" elements on the eastern airbases? Yooper posted:[b]Yes to both.
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May 2, 2017 02:04
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Not the variant we use, sadly. The new SDB II can, and for most intents is a super long range fire and forgot atgm.
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May 2, 2017 02:07
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drat, that complicates things. Also an SDB that can track a target is actually kind of terrifying to think about.
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May 2, 2017 02:09
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power crystals posted:Aside from the Rafale, the French have not made a single good-looking jet. Fact. How can you possibly say that the sexy sexy delta wings of the Mirage III or 2000 doesn't give you a little bit of that happy pants feeling?
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May 2, 2017 02:16
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Also the Angolan navy is apparently fully tied up in anti-piracy operations. And it takes some really specialized equipment to land stuff amphibiously without a port.sparkmaster posted:Honestly do cluster bombs work at all? Would they be more effective against grouped ground targets then our paveways? The big issue with cluster bombs is that the do their damage as, say, 150 counts of 2 DP evenly spread out, while a normal bomb does one shot of 200 DP with a dropping radius. So a shot on a relatively small target like a ship is likely to miss with most of the individual bomblets. They mostly shine when used against big, flat targets like runways, but you have to check the bomb type first, because runways are considered armored targets and some bombs will just bounce off. Davin Valkri fucked around with this message at 02:24 on May 2, 2017 |
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May 2, 2017 02:20
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Dandywalken posted:Not the variant we use, sadly. The new SDB II can, and for most intents is a super long range fire and forgot atgm. The SDB II is why I really want F-15Es. Neither the F-15SA nor F-15K have the SDB IIs.
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May 2, 2017 02:24
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Neophyte posted:Going be annoying again and ask that land-strike planners make sure we're not left completely vulnerable to an amphib assault behind our lines. I don't think we should worry about that too much. Our airbase is a 200 kilometre drive away from the coast. Pulling off an amphibious landing in complete secrecy using only the available infrastructure in tropical Angola and then advancing 200km through a jungle behind enemy lines and against moderate near-peer resistance in a single day with no air support would probably go down as the single greatest military manoeuvre in all of history.
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May 2, 2017 02:32
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sparkmaster posted:How can you possibly say that the sexy sexy delta wings of the Mirage III or 2000 doesn't give you a little bit of that happy pants feeling? They're too delta if you ask me. I'm not one to body shame an airplane but mirage 3's are so delta it looks fake, or like they're trying to be delta, you know?
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May 2, 2017 02:35
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Davin Valkri posted:The big issue with cluster bombs is that the do their damage as, say, 150 counts of 2 DP evenly spread out, while a normal bomb does one shot of 200 DP with a dropping radius. So a shot on a relatively small target like a ship is likely to miss with most of the individual bomblets. They mostly shine when used against big, flat targets like runways, but you have to check the bomb type first, because runways are considered armored targets and some bombs will just bounce off. So gamewise it seems like we're always better off using regular bombs (humanitarian concerns aside). Would they be more effective against armor or artillery groupings? Like what we had on our last mission?
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Operation Care Package We're going to split our op force into three parts in order to hit more strategic targets. I'd appreciate any tactical insight. Audacious Flight 4x Gripen 4x Tornado 2x Mirage 1x Prowler 1x Reaper Bold Flight 4x Gripen 6x Phantom 2x AMX 1x Sperwer Clubfoot Flight 5x SK60B 1x Frogfoot 1x Hawk Our tankers and AWACS can join in with every flight. ROE If an SA-11 is spotted, cease operations and attack with one Gripen firing SDBs, following with the second (and third for Bold) if the first fails. If the target remains, proceed with the rest of the mission outside its range. AA Gripens should maintain Ready 5 when not on an active mission. When we get the call on the Kfirs, activate Plan Judas. If you have more bogeys then missiles, run away. Disallow the use of guns. Attack Radar OFF unless you need a firing solution. Jammers always ON.  Avalanche attack - 0700 Audacious - SEAD 2x Gripen A/A Intercept (220 nm): 4x RB 107 Meteor (75 nm) / 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) 2x Gripen Land Standoff Strike (530 nm): 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) / 8x GBU-39/B SDB (60 nm) 2x Mirage Guided Bomb (350 nm, Day Only, Clear Weather): 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 (10 nm), 4x GBU-12D/B Paveway II LGB (4 nm), 1x Barax NG DECM Pod 2x Saudi Tornado ALARM (950 nm): 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm), 5x ALARM Blk 1 (40 nm) 2x German Tornado HARM (820 nm): 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm), 2x AGM-88B HARM (70nm) 1x Prowler HARM (550 nm): 1x AGM-88C HARM (70 nm), 4x AN/ALQ-991 ECM Pod 1x Reaper Recon (1600 nm): 2x Gorgon Stare Increment 2 Sensor Pod Clubfoot - CAS 5x SK60B Rocket (375 nm, Day-Only, Limited All-Weather): 12x M/70 135mm Rocket (2nm) 1x Frogfoot Anti-Tank (210 nm): 2x AA-8 Aphid (5 nm), 16x AT-16 Scallion (5 nm) 1x Hawk Anti-ground: 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm), 2x AGM-65G Maverick IR (8nm) The Reaper, Prowler, AWACS, and Stratotanker will orbit just east of the airfield. Audacious will clear out enemy radar installations and destroy AA from the Bulgarians to the coast. Once clear, Audacious and Clubfoot should clear out enemy armor and forward bases. Audacious and support elements should RTB when out of bombs. Clubfoot should quick turnaround and continue attacking until they run out of targets or daylight. Bastion Attack - SCRUBBED No attack. Cutthroat attack - 1500 Audacious - Deep Strike 4x Gripen A/A Intercept (220 nm): 4x RB 107 Meteor (75 nm) / 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) 2x Mirage Guided Bomb (350 nm, Day Only, Clear Weather): 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 (10 nm), 4x GBU-12D/B Paveway II LGB (4 nm), 1x Barax NG DECM Pod 2x German Tornado Land Standoff Strike (650 nm): 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm), 2x Taurus KEPD 350P (180 nm) 2x Saudi Tornado Cruise Missile (825 nm): 2x Storm Shadow (215 nm), 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) 1x Reaper Recon (1600 nm): 2x Gorgon Stare Increment 2 Sensor Pod At 1300 launch the Sperwer towards Lobito. At 1400 launch the reaper towards Lubito. Move northwest over the ocean at military speed. Target one Storm Shadow at the radar installation south of Luanda, and the rest at the Ministry of Defense. Use the indicated flight path for the cruise missiles. After launch Tornadoes can RTB. Other elements will remain aloft until sunset to assist with Deviant and Judas. Deviant attack - 1500 Bold - Anti-runway 1x Gripen A/A Intercept (220 nm): 4x RB 107 Meteor (75 nm) / 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) 3x Gripen Land Standoff Strike (530 nm): 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) / 8x GBU-39/B SDB (60 nm) 2x Phantoms DWS.39 AFDS Anti-runway cluster bombs. (2xDWS.39, 2xAMRAAM, DECM Pod, 3x Drop Tank) 2x Phantoms A/A AMRAAM (150 nm): 4x AIM-2000A (15 nm), 4x AIM-120B AMRAAM (40 nm) 2x Phantoms Bomb Truck (240 nm): 2x AIM-120B AMRAAM (40 nm), 12x Mk82 500lb LDGP (1 nm), 1x AN/ALQ-119 ECM Pod 2x AMX Counter-Runway (480 nm, Day Only, Limited All-Weather): 2x AIM-9L Sidewinder (10 nm)*, 2x Durandal (1 nm) 1x Prowler HARM (550 nm): 1x AGM-88C HARM (70 nm), 4x AN/ALQ-991 ECM Pod Deploy the prowler, AWACS, and Stratotanker over the lithium mine north of Lubango. Proceed to attack and disable Lobito airfield. Destroy the FOB west of Caimbambo. Extra attack - 0200 Audacious - Deep Strike 4x Gripen A/A Intercept (220 nm): 4x RB 107 Meteor (75 nm) / 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) 2x Mirage Guided Bomb (350 nm, Day Only, Clear Weather): 2x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2 (10 nm), 4x GBU-12D/B Paveway II LGB (4 nm), 1x Barax NG DECM Pod 2x German Tornado Land Standoff Strike (650 nm): 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm), 2x Taurus KEPD 350P (180 nm) 2x Saudi Tornado Cruise Missile (825 nm): 2x Storm Shadow (215 nm), 2x AIM-2000A (15 nm) 1x Reaper Recon (1600 nm): 2x Gorgon Stare Increment 2 Sensor Pod Fire cruise missiles. Priority order if still standing - southern radar installations, Caimbambo FOB, the military base at Balombo. Plan Judas Assess - is there an active enemy radar installation between the Kfirs and our borders? If so, tell them "Good luck assholes" and continue with operations until that's no longer true. Divert AA elements from any running operations to escort them. Scramble AA Gripens from Lubango and the VC10 at military speed to intercept them. Warn off Free State planes, then fire if they persist. Once under escort, the Kfirs are to drop all ordinance (into Dictator forces if possible) and proceed to the nearest friendly airbase under escort from the scrambled Gripens. Put a missile in them if they start looking squirrely. Scrambled Gripens will RTB and any active operations will proceed. Added Space fucked around with this message at 19:32 on May 3, 2017 |
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Dreamsicle posted:The SDB II is why I really want F-15Es. Neither the F-15SA nor F-15K have the SDB IIs. i really doubt anybody has strike eagles for sale they're probably the single best ground attacker in the world
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All personnel, be advised. We picked up some new intel talking in the discord. The Free State, tightwads that they are, didn't bother to pick up Mirages with night strike capability. That means that that strike, and the accompanying Kfir Defectors, will launch at some time between 0700 and 1900.
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for those of you advocating and planning the port strike you realize that whatever forces are sent north have to worry about planes from separate airbases right we don't know if the Dictator has hired another PMC or replaced some of his losses i would say forgo the port strike it risks our very limited number of planes for little to no gain
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May 2, 2017 03:08
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Daylight plane robberies are the best kind anyway.
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Tythas posted:for those of you advocating and planning the port strike you realize that whatever forces are sent north have to worry about planes from separate airbases right we don't know if the Dictator has hired another PMC or replaced some of his losses i would say forgo the port strike it risks our very limited number of planes for little to no gain People need to come up with some sort of concept of operations about the count's forces should be trying to achieve. I think there are probably two pretty plausible options: make a push towards lobito to gain control of the port or push towards Mulango to try and seize the two lithium mines. I like Mulango because it feels tactically easier, but it has the serious downside of vastly shorting the dictactors front lines. If we want to try and seize Lobito, it's clear what we need to do: SEAD missions to unpick the air defences, then rotating CAS strikes to bomb the tar out of everything behind the Count's new armored capability and the port facilities. The tactical downside is the Kfirs probably don't make it. Cthulhu Dreams fucked around with this message at 03:15 on May 2, 2017 |
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I'm going to point out again that destroying the Luanda oil refinery will also destroy the nation's fuel reserves. That's a knockout blow for a war - they'll be operating without jet or tank fuel. It doesn't matter what they hire at that point because it'll be stuck in its box. This is a chance to prevent the war from skidding to a halt under endless Lithium funding, and we'll never get a better shot at it.
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koolkevz666 posted:Operation: Lightly braise the earth. Main difference is I shorten the yellow team's objective, and try to roll up the flank. I dont feel we have enough intel to hit the capital right out, and we dont know what SAMs are there. edit: updated map  Lobito is a miserable little place, so if our planes cant use it I figure we'll just bomb the runway.  If we have enough time Yellow could bomb Huamba runway as well.  This is a good plan because it completely opens up five mines in the next offensive Loel fucked around with this message at 03:33 on May 2, 2017 |
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Loel posted:Main difference is I shorten the yellow team's objective, and try to roll up the flank. I dont feel we have enough intel to hit the capital right out, and we dont know what SAMs are there. Yeah. I guess my biggest concern is can we support defection while delivering this operation.
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 Inspired by Beer4thebeergod, I made another map for you folks. Beer, I worked off your template, thanks! For those of you with CMANO, there's a planning scenario. It has things you know the location of like staging areas, bridges, power stations, etc, but not all of them. For others there's a Google Map you can do a COPY MAP and draw your own squiggly lines on it. For those who really want to blow up the Angolan Twinkie Factory or what you perceive as some awesome military objective, just ask. The refinery photo in Added Space's proposal is perfect. I don't know everything, not by a long shot, and any help you guys give me goes a long way to making an exciting mission. I have a general guideline of a plan, but cool ideas lead to cool missions. So go wild! https://www.dropbox.com/s/dwh62ll4bwjdeuz/Angola%204%20Public%20Release.scen?dl=0 https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WpTsgN4ZjD93Kh3EyjavoHjLJQA&usp=sharing
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Yooper posted:
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Added Space posted:Operation Sucking Fumes I would throw out objective Bastion it puts our units way to far out with only one plane on CAP
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May 2, 2017 03:20
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Tythas posted:I would throw out objective Bastion it puts our units way to far out with only one plane on CAP There's also two Phantoms on CAP and the rest of the Phantoms have it as a secondary.
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Whatever the plan is, can we have a standing order not to go after enemy aircraft when we're down to just guns?
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simplefish posted:Whatever the plan is, can we have a standing order not to go after enemy aircraft when we're down to just guns? But how else willl GUNS GUNS GUNS get kills?
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simplefish posted:Whatever the plan is, can we have a standing order
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David Corbett posted:I don't think we should worry about that too much. Our airbase is a 200 kilometre drive away from the coast. Pulling off an amphibious landing in complete secrecy using only the available infrastructure in tropical Angola and then advancing 200km through a jungle behind enemy lines and against moderate near-peer resistance in a single day with no air support would probably go down as the single greatest military manoeuvre in all of history. Exactly! What if the dictator's only been pretending to be a blowhard idiot who constantly sends out grade-school tweets and grossly misunderstands complex problems and exaggerates his own accomplishments with no regard to facts when actually he's a calculating genius playing 5th dimensional chess and is luring his enemies into complacency until it's time to strike? HMMM? We should build a huge wall along the coast, is what I'm saying. Tythas posted:But how else willl GUNS GUNS GUNS get kills? TURDS TURDS TURDS
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