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Maybe opioids should be made much easier to get. Turn this epidemic into the next black death, kill the 1/3 of the population with no impulse control and increase the value of labor. J/k, the labor is going to be automated away.
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Azathoth posted:I can at least see the logic there, even if the guy isn't able to express what he actually wants, which is a stable job that pays enough to support a family. The guy's dad didn't want him working at the mills because it was hard work that would break you down physically, and so he wanted him to get something else, but that's predicated on the idea that something else would also pay a living wage. He's lamenting a time when even most jobs of last resort, which is what the mills were, would pay enough that you could live the middle class dream. Now, the jobs of last resort are service jobs like Walmart or Best Buy, and while they might not be backbreaking labor like a mill, they sure as hell don't pay enough to support a family. The way he words it is idealizing his dad's lovely job. He doesn't say best buy should pay more, at least in the blurb.
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Azathoth posted:I can at least see the logic there, even if the guy isn't able to express what he actually wants, which is a stable job that pays enough to support a family. The guy's dad didn't want him working at the mills because it was hard work that would break you down physically, and so he wanted him to get something else, but that's predicated on the idea that something else would also pay a living wage. He's lamenting a time when even most jobs of last resort, which is what the mills were, would pay enough that you could live the middle class dream. Now, the jobs of last resort are service jobs like Walmart or Best Buy, and while they might not be backbreaking labor like a mill, they sure as hell don't pay enough to support a family. You'd think so but anybody who promises them new jobs in different industries that have a history of paying a living wage they will burn in effigy.
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Apr 30, 2017 18:55
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Beachcomber posted:Maybe opioids should be made much easier to get. Turn this epidemic into the next black death, kill the 1/3 of the population with no impulse control and increase the value of labor. IIRC this was specifically preventing during the black death by laws passed setting a maximum amount that could be paid for labor
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The way he words it is idealizing his dad's lovely job. He doesn't say best buy should pay more, at least in the blurb. Epic High Five posted:You'd think so but anybody who promises them new jobs in different industries that have a history of paying a living wage they will burn in effigy. I'm in greater Minnesota, near a city of about 100k people, and the two counties it is in have an unemployment rate around 3%. The place where I work, which has both office and manufacturing jobs, has $15/hr non-skilled labor positions unfilled just for a lack of people to work them, and this is in an area where you can get a nice house with a yard, with good schools, for $100k to $150k. MIT puts the living wage for two parents and two kids living around here at $16/hr. Yet we don't have many people relocating here from elsewhere, and the ones that do are invariably younger people without children. I think we seriously underestimate the number of people who are underemployed because they are literally stuck where they are. Epic High Five posted:IIRC this was specifically preventing during the black death by laws passed setting a maximum amount that could be paid for labor Yeah, that's how serfdom started. Lords tied serfs to the land to keep them from getting a better deal with the other lord two towns over.
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Epic High Five posted:IIRC this was specifically preventing during the black death by laws passed setting a maximum amount that could be paid for labor Which was largely ignored
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, that's my point, I don't think even he knows that is what he really wants. He's idealizing his dad's lovely job because despite it being a lovely job, it was far less lovely than the jobs he's looking at now. He kind of edges up to the idea with the "and then live happily ever after" comment, but I think that really shows the kind of disconnect that this kind of person has with the modern job market. He grew up and started working in a time when if you got a job, it'd pay good enough to support a family and if you showed up on time, did what you were told, and worked hard, you'd never have to worry about getting another job. You'd work that job until retirement and that'd be that. It's not hard to see why they'd idealize that, given the position they've found themselves in. Things like solar farms and tech and newables and stuff that are bigy city folk NIMBY things could be moved there, in fact that was Clinton's proposal They poo poo all over it. They don't want to leave, they want Strong Daddy to wave his hands and make everything like it used to be even though they've specifically voted to ensure that could never happen thanks to busting unions and preventing/undoing any and all reforms and protections to the left of Ayn Rand
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Epic High Five posted:Things like solar farms and tech and newables and stuff that are bigy city folk NIMBY things could be moved there, in fact that was Clinton's proposal Yeah, because Republicans have been telling them that if only they vote them into office they can and will do exactly that. I'm hoping that the next four years proves that that poo poo is gone irrevocably and isn't coming back no matter what, but I guess I'm just an eternal optimist...
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, because Republicans have been telling them that if only they vote them into office they can and will do exactly that. I'm hoping that the next four years proves that that poo poo is gone irrevocably and isn't coming back no matter what, but I guess I'm just an eternal optimist... McConnell has overseen the destruction of industry and the middle class in his state over the 30 years he's served and he's safe as hell They want death and poverty because liberal states are doing well on the whole and they don't want to be like liberals
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Epic High Five posted:McConnell has overseen the destruction of industry and the middle class in his state over the 30 years he's served and he's safe as hell yeah at this point it's not even about policy, it's more of a tribal identity thing trump voters vote R because coastal libs vote D and only real americans like Joe Sixpack from Nebraska are part of the GOP. it's purely a culture wars thing, with the GOP pitting rurals (and more importantly, wealthy suburbanites that identify with a fake imagined version of rurals) against cityfolk. this is why american politics is so asymmetrical right now, the dem platform is based on actual governance and the GOP platform is entirely "make libs mad, at any cost possible"
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HorseRenoir posted:the dem platform is based on actual governance and the GOP platform is entirely "make libs mad, at any cost possible" Why try to govern when you're happy with the status quo? They are reactionaries, after all.
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Xibanya posted:Why try to govern when you're happy with the status quo? They are reactionaries, after all. republicans aren't happy with the status quo, their goal is to return to a imagined version of the past that never existed
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HorseRenoir posted:republicans aren't happy with the status quo, their goal is to return to a imagined version of the past that never existed Folks like the Heritage fucks aren't even subtle about wanting American serfdom back.
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HorseRenoir posted:the dem platform is based on actual governance and the GOP platform is entirely "make libs mad, at any cost possible"
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Democrats govern by making Republican policies permanent.
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comedyblissoption posted:you are greatly stretching the definition of "governance" Capitalism damage control
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while we wait for more trump voters realizing they're going to die, may i interest anyone in precisely the opposite?A Poised Mexico Sees Trump Anew: a ‘Bluffer’ at the Poker Table posted:“It seems like he’s sitting at a poker table bluffing rather than making serious decisions,” said Senator Armando Ríos Piter, a Mexican legislator. “In front of a bluffer, you always have to maintain a firm and dignified position.”
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Epic High Five posted:Things like solar farms and tech and newables and stuff that are bigy city folk NIMBY things could be moved there, in fact that was Clinton's proposal you know we indoctrinated these mothafucka's so that they neva' ask the right questions pay no attention to these fucka's who don't get it
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Asimo posted:Their desired version of the past did exist though. It was just the Gilded Age. if that's the case it's been successes all across the board
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HorseRenoir posted:republicans aren't happy with the status quo, their goal is to return to a imagined version of the past that never existed it did exist (if you were white) and had a 90%+ top tax rate lol
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May 2, 2017 07:54
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there's something cosmic about the fact that trump got the opposite of what he wanted
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This guy is posting some prime trumpgrets today https://twitter.com/Freeyourmindkid/status/860211057046016000
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May 4, 2017 22:44
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Wanting everyone to have the same healthcare plan is socialism.
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HorseRenoir posted:This guy is posting some prime trumpgrets today i grow turgid
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 more trump voter death is in the queue https://mobile.twitter.com/ddiamond/status/860512790032900097
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May 5, 2017 16:46
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hey maybe this trump guy isnt so bad after all
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:
My joking theory that everything he does is designed to kill the people who voted for him because he hates this job and they gave it to him is basically scientific truth at this point
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So does getting rid of that office do anything to the war on drugs? I'm pretty sure I already know.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:So does getting rid of that office do anything to the war on drugs? I'm pretty sure I already know. Frees up resources to spend on killing evil weed smokers It's like the British and China with opium except this time they're voting for it to happen to them
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:So does getting rid of that office do anything to the war on drugs? I'm pretty sure I already know. it makes drugs more plentiful, which means more arrests, which means jeff sessions gets his cotton plantation LARP on at the for-profit prison yard but also, poor white trash ODing in their trailer homes in conclusion, trump drug policy is a land of contrasts
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Al! posted:hey maybe this trump guy isnt so bad after all
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Al! posted:hey maybe this trump guy isnt so bad after all i ran the numbers, and nope, he's terrible
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You don't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes...
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It gets better/worse:quote:Trump will sign an executive order Wednesday creating a high-level opioids commission led by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who has spoken about the need to prioritize treatment for opioid addiction. It includes Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who has suggested more of a crime-and-punishment approach. Details here. Ads plastered all over the site link to PhRMA's anti-regulation page, here.
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Discendo Vox posted:It gets better/worse: i think jeff sessions should apply his crime and punishment approach to chris christie Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 01:39 on May 6, 2017 |
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Epic High Five posted:My joking theory that everything he does is designed to kill the people who voted for him because he hates this job and they gave it to him is basically scientific truth at this point 
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Discendo Vox posted:It gets better/worse: hey look! he gave ol' boy chris christie a job, and underneath racist keebler elf to boot would you look at that? choking on trump cock pays off after all
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