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Paracaidas posted:Blaming PLP for Abbott loving up an interview is not the hill to die on here. The way Labour are handling this fiasco is blowing any progress they had made with the good start to the campaign. The only way they could win it back is if Abbot offered her resignation and didn't stand in the GE, but she won't do that as she has never done anything that's not in her own interests.
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Guavanaut posted:I'd prefer if police didn't have to use foodbanks, because police being poor and desperate has (in international studies at least) shown strong links with corruption.
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Oberleutnant posted:i really like big macs do u have a 5k imac?
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Ewan posted:Also decriminalise drug use, and treat it as a medical problem instead. Dumbass Yank question: what are the politics of treatment vs incarceration in a nation with UHC? We struggle mightily with just-world bullshit and a desire to punish the junkies, and for the most part treatment doesn't cost anyone a dime. Is it sort of a doublebarreled opposition when the healthcare costs are socialized?
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May 2, 2017 14:14
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Alchenar posted:Do we not count that time in 1988 he announced he was organising a leadership challenge? No, because a leadership challenge is nothing like an attempt to force a leader to resign by withdrawing co-operation and I really shouldn't need to point that out. Paracaidas posted:Blaming PLP for Abbott loving up an interview is not the hill to die on here. Nobody's dying on a hill, it's just ironic that some of the same people who despair of Abbott being given such a high-profile job also applaud the people they do like for refusing to take that same job.
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May 2, 2017 14:17
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ITT Liberals wanking themselves silly over a Labour cock up, while pretending they dont really fear a socialist government. It's OK, no one can possibly think less of you if you do inevitably vote for your local Tory candidate.
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May 2, 2017 14:22
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JFairfax posted:this is prob worse than abbot's gaffe Wrong, there is nothing worse than incompetence. The Tories are the right government for this country because although they are undeniably evil, at least they are efficiently evil. - the British public
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May 2, 2017 14:23
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Ewan posted:Also decriminalise drug use, and treat it as a medical problem instead. That's another one which is never going to be popular with the tabloids, although it does seem to be picking up popularity in polls lately. Paracaidas posted:Dumbass Yank question: what are the politics of treatment vs incarceration in a nation with UHC? We struggle mightily with just-world bullshit and a desire to punish the junkies, and for the most part treatment doesn't cost anyone a dime. Is it sort of a doublebarreled opposition when the healthcare costs are socialized? The whole "junkies gettin your cash" seems to have gone down in media mentions since the 90s, maybe because of rehab becoming more talked about for rich celebs idk. Now it's people with depression and anxiety getting financial assistance which is more of an issue for tabloid shitheads.
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ukle posted:The way Labour are handling this fiasco is blowing any progress they had made with the good start to the campaign. The only way they could win it back is if Abbot offered her resignation and didn't stand in the GE, but she won't do that as she has never done anything that's not in her own interests. Lmao, holy poo poo what a post
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Serotonin posted:ITT Liberals wanking themselves silly over a Labour cock up, while pretending they dont really fear a socialist government. Voters aren't waiting for your permission to vote Tory. They're going to do it anyway.
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May 2, 2017 14:31
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I think May could skin and eat Maddie and the press would be more focused on someone's brain fart.
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ukle posted:The way Labour are handling this fiasco is blowing any progress they had made with the good start to the campaign. The only way they could win it back is if Abbot offered her resignation and didn't stand in the GE, but she won't do that as she has never done anything that's not in her own interests. Settle down man, jesus
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May 2, 2017 14:38
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Yeah lets not go crazy and suggest Dianne Abbot should stand down. She's extremely important.
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May 2, 2017 14:37
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why do you hate having a prominent black woman in politics pissflaps?
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May 2, 2017 14:40
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someone needs to tell may that wooden forks are free in a chippy, no need to slash the budget there
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Pissflaps posted:Yeah lets not go crazy and suggest Dianne Abbot should stand down. She's extremely important. Standing down over an ballsed-up interview would be a big PR mistake even if you hate Diane Abbott. It would only make the story more memorable. In non-Abbott related news the NEC will tomorrow table a motion to deselect John Woodcock as a Labour candidate. It will be truly ridiculous if it doesn't happen.
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ukle posted:The way Labour are handling this fiasco is blowing any progress they had made with the good start to the campaign. The only way they could win it back is if Abbot offered her resignation and didn't stand in the GE, but she won't do that as she has never done anything that's not in her own interests. This may be as dumb as blaming the PLP for Abbott (  HORSESHOE THEORY!)She hosed up an interview, which is not out of character, and gave an eager media the gaffe story to run with instead of a potentially popular Labour Law & Order policy. Post-interview, Labour has played it about as well as they can-which is a separate conversation than them ensuring it won't happen again. Guavanaut posted:The whole "junkies gettin your cash" seems to have gone down in media mentions since the 90s, maybe because of rehab becoming more talked about for rich celebs idk. Now it's people with depression and anxiety getting financial assistance which is more of an issue for tabloid shitheads. Thank you!
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JFairfax posted:why do you hate having a prominent black woman in politics pissflaps? Interesting. I guess all that criticism Chukka Umunna got a while back was because he is black.
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pissflaps isn't being a racist here, he's just an overly committed crazy person itt who goes on crusades against anyone not on tony blair's christmas card list. abbott botched an interview, he is right there. will anyone remember it in 2 weeks? will they gently caress. will that be a deciding factor in labour's electoral standing? probably not. yeah, they could have gotten a policy across with it, but guess what, they have another 4 weeks to do that in.
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Another Person posted:pissflaps isn't being a racist here, he's just an overly committed crazy person itt who goes on crusades against anyone not on tony blair's christmas card list. Pissflaps has expressed issues with people being more "urban" than he expected, and I think Blair might have a similar qualifier. Something about how Blair has blown up a lot of people for he crime of living in a different part of the world.
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mehall posted:Pissflaps has expressed issues with people being more "urban" than he expected, and I think Blair might have a similar qualifier.
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Yes this is definitely a good defence. Everyone who thinks it's a problem that Abbott hosed up is crazy and/or racist.
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May 2, 2017 15:00
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JFairfax posted:no just you Lets hope there's no chinese MPs in Jeremy's front bench team any time soon. Or trans people for that matter.
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i actually think you are crazy in a more general sense than just on this one particular situation honestly, but abbott is crap and has been for a long time. incredibly gaffe prone, which considering how long she has been in the party and how many times she has been interviewed by this point you would think she could have gotten the hang of it by now. rule of interviews: if you gently caress it up, don't double down and keep going, and when you gently caress up then stop, apologise and correct the information.
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Another Person posted:i actually think you are crazy in a more general sense than just on this one particular situation honestly Thank you for your medical opinion about my mental health. I'm sure it's delivered entirely impartially. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 15:23 on May 2, 2017 |
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Pissflaps posted:Voters aren't waiting for your permission to vote Tory. They're going to do it anyway. And it is they who are ultimately at fault.
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Is there anywhere that provides a good overview of the Lib Dems' economic ideology, especially how it has (or hasn't) changed since Farron took over? As far as I can tell, he wasn't part of the super-liberal and free-marketeering "Orange Book" wing of the party but I can't really find where he (or the party more broadly) stands. I know people here are quick to dismiss Lib Dems as free marketeers and power-seeking capitalists who will give in on their ideals at any sniff of power, but a lot of this stems from the Clegg days (he was a so-called "Orange Booker", and TBH I can't really find much that suggests that's still where they lie economically.
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Aristocrat in court over allegedly racist Facebook post about Gina Miller posted:An aristocrat has appeared in court charged with writing menacing Facebook posts about the Brexit campaigner Gina Miller and a Cameroonian man. 
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quote:Rhodri Philipps, the 4th Viscount St Davids, wore a tweed gilet over a navy suit as he appeared at Westminster magistrates court and refused to stand in the dock when addressed as Mr St Davids, only rising when addressed as Lord St Davids. with an attitude like that, he hopefully won't get through to the end of the trial without a contempt of court charge.
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A freddo for the first person to purposefully run Rhodri Philipps, the 4th Viscount St Davids, the gently caress over and then reverse over him until he is dead. Then send abuse to any surviving family.
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May 2, 2017 15:32
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Oberleutnant posted:i do like freddos.... Might I suggest you vote for the Labour Party in the upcoming general election? Rumour has it that a cap on the price of Freddos is going to be in the Labour manifesto.
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Alchenar posted:Do we not count that time in 1988 he announced he was organising a leadership challenge? Just running for leadership isn't undermining the party, deliberately acting in an organised fashiom in ways which damage the party in its operations and media image while constantly searching your own ranks for a replacement because you don't actually think anyone specifically would be better you just can't stand the current leader is though. https://twitter.com/jmsclee/status/859336320803590144 namesake fucked around with this message at 15:38 on May 2, 2017 |
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Cerv posted:with an attitude like that, he hopefully won't get through to the end of the trial without a contempt of court charge. Firos posted:Might I suggest you vote for the Labour Party in the upcoming general election? Rumour has it that a cap on the price of Freddos is going to be in the Labour manifesto.
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Cerv posted:with an attitude like that, he hopefully won't get through to the end of the trial without a contempt of court charge.
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