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I like how Chuck is basically the only lawyer in town that Handyman Mike could have worked on; with anyone else, there'd be a risk they'd recognize him as the courthouse parking lot grump.
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May 2, 2017 07:35
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Totally makes sense that she was recording him, especially with him getting all arrogant and talking to her like she's a child about how the proceedings will work. The lower bar for entry of evidence and all that is definitely a setup for a blowback on him using the same sort of thing. It might be too telegraphed to actually play out like that and they just work a totally different angle, but that's more of the setup-payoff nature of TV and movies talking than anything.
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May 2, 2017 07:39
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I can't wait for the big twist in the finale where it turns out the prosecutor is a Republican.
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May 2, 2017 07:50
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There was a nice little touch when Don Eladio swats the one cash roll to stay on the table. Gus' shrink wrapped money is so Gus. I don't think they will steal the tape, it will put Kim at risk and it is too early in the season. My guess is that they'll question why dupe the tape, and then use the photos to show Chuck is a danger to himself (maybe bring back the doc, have her testify). In another life Gus would be a master poker player, he has ice water in his veins.
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May 2, 2017 08:13
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Given how we know that Gus is hugely affected by his friend/boyfriend's death, I like to think he's only partially motivated by stone cold drug lord logic. Yeah, he wants to make hella cash selling meth to chumps, but he's not excited, and on some level he really does wax poetic about murrika and imagines how things might be if he never had to sell out to violence and crime. He seems to take a lot of pride in running a legitimate business that could stand alone, especially after this episode. There's no way he isn't proud of Pollos and the recipe.
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May 2, 2017 08:36
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What if jimmy still says he didn't actually change the numbers on the mesa verde paperwork, and that he simply got so upset after finding out he was recorded he rushed over and kicked the door in and was like, "the gently caress, bro?!" And destroys the tape...but he was just angry about his brother backstabbing him and he lost it, he still never actually changed the paperwork. He was just concerned for chuck and flipped poo poo when he found out. I'm also curious about the blowback on chuck as he explains his side of it. Could he have done something worthy of disbarment in his silly record jimmy fiasco?
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May 2, 2017 08:51
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Banditoh posted:What if jimmy still says he didn't actually change the numbers on the mesa verde paperwork, and that he simply got so upset after finding out he was recorded he rushed over and kicked the door in and was like, "the gently caress, bro?!" And destroys the tape...but he was just angry about his brother backstabbing him and he lost it, he still never actually changed the paperwork. He was just concerned for chuck and flipped poo poo when he found out. Enacting a conspiracy to get your brother to commit a crime is already pretty out there.
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May 2, 2017 08:58
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MiddleOne posted:Enacting a conspiracy to get your brother to commit a crime is already pretty out there. Plus he's casually putting oil lamps on top of papers. Sounds like a danger to himself, best lock him up somewhere safe.
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May 2, 2017 09:21
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Watching the parallels as Gus completely outplays Hector and Jimmy & Kim are seemingly setting up to do the same to Chuck is a treat.... but I'm concerned that one of their plans will go awry and honestly I don't expect Gus to be the one whose long-term planning backfires on him 
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May 2, 2017 09:45
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Mike going, "It´s nice to fix something for a change" is a little heartbreaking, I think Mike si really suffering for what he has been been doing and we know he is just going to keep going deeper and deeper and is never going to find peace.
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May 2, 2017 09:52
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It feels like they're wishing they hadn't named this show after Saul. We get basically one non-Mike-focused plot beat per episode. Mike's story is still great though, so oh well.
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May 2, 2017 10:07
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So how'd that metal detector issue you guys talked about for pages end up?  Anyway, Mike using the drill to run Chuck away and upstairs seemed like the funniest thing in the world to me. Edgar Allen Ho posted:They went to the trouble of showing Gus with the cops so maybe Hector's in for some legal trouble. Cnut the Great posted:So Gus giving that speech at the fire station is definitely more foreshadowing that something big is going to happen with fire at the end of the season, right? Yeah it was a firehouse Edgar Allen Ho, not a police station. And Cnut the Great, according to Sepinwall the significance might just be that that's apparently the very same firehouse that Walt brings the baby to in Ozymandias. Edgar Allen Ho posted:I dig the episode layout where the cartel and Jimmy main plots are mostly contained and segregated, with cartel all the first part and Jimmy the second part. More interesting than that is that usually the show gets split into the "Mike Show" and the "Jimmy Show". This time the episode was split into the "Gus Show" and the "Jimmy Show" with Mike being the one to show up in both. Argus Zant posted:3) However, Jimmy now needs to straighten up and fly right in the eyes of the law, or else he'll be tossed in jail as though he was found guilty of those crimes by a jury I raised a brow when the prosecutor mentioned he could only associate with law abiding citizens. Good luck with that. R-Type posted:She is just the absolute perfect typical democrat-affiliated and blatantly biased public prosecutor. They got that down to a loving T. I swear almost every TV/IV post I've ever seen you make drags in something blatantly political. 
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May 2, 2017 10:15
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I like getting Gus' backstory; and we only saw Gus as the hardass in BB; it's nice seeing his interactions with Hector as he is still vying for that Alpha position. The bullet to the head being too humane was delivered as succinctly as the throat slashing box cutter. Chuck really shows to be the most insufferable meticulous oval office imaginable in this episode. People like him should not exist.
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May 2, 2017 10:42
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Ditocoaf posted:It feels like they're wishing they hadn't named this show after Saul. We get basically one non-Mike-focused plot beat per episode. Mike's story is still great though, so oh well. We're only 4 episodes deep. This season has definitely been more Mike focused so far, I admit, but the first two seasons had a ton of Jimmy/Kim/Chuck plotlines and managed to get a good amount of Mike in as well. Perhaps the back half of this season is focused on Jimmy? I trust Vince.
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May 2, 2017 10:48
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I hope jimmy gets to cut a commercial this season
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May 2, 2017 10:58
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I do feel a bit for chuck tho. He is, after all, completely loving bonkers
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May 2, 2017 11:08
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GobiasIndustries posted:I trust Vince. This should really be the thread title. The only misstep he's ever had (that made its way past everyone, mind you) was the foreshadowing to the plane crash in BB, and I only bring that up because everyone else bitches about it, I thought it was fine, and outright disturbing as BB S2 went on. Edit: Admittedly, Marie's stealing plot line didn't really go anywhere, but it did add depth to her character.
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Jimmy’s “apology” speech was savage. New Mexico being a one‐party‐consent state is going to bite Chuck in the rear end, hard. I was going to say that there’s a possibility that the so‐called duplicate tape was blank all along, but if Chuck expected Jimmy to break in under the cover of darkness, he probably expected him to play it back to check it it was the right one.
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May 2, 2017 11:54
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Slippin' Jimmy is gonna pull the old switcheroo so when Chuck plays the tape at the hearing it's the tape with the American Bandstand theme song
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El Pato posted:Mike going, "It´s nice to fix something for a change" is a little heartbreaking, I think Mike si really suffering for what he has been been doing and we know he is just going to keep going deeper and deeper and is never going to find peace. Don't worry Walter shuts the gently caress up eventually. This week was probably my favorite episode since Five-Oh. The quality of acting on the show has been top-notch since day one but the more Gus and Hector we get in the mix the better. It's very cool watching Mark Margolis play something other than "angry and paralyzed." I've also gotta concur that Gus's stir up the troops AMERICA speech was brilliant and if you want Gus Fring in a nutshell there it is.
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May 2, 2017 13:31
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Those Don Eladio scenes, were they filmed during the Breaking Bad period and landed on the cutting floor? Steven Bauer is a stick figure these days, and in that episode, he wasn't.
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May 2, 2017 13:35
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Combat Pretzel posted:Those Don Eladio scenes, were they filmed during the Breaking Bad period and landed on the cutting floor? Steven Bauer is a stick figure these days, and in that episode, he wasn't. I guess it could be possible.
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May 2, 2017 13:51
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One thing that's been bothering me about the podcasts this season is Vince constantly saying that he's all about delaying the big moments for as long as possible when Kelly Dixon etc ask why they decided to have Mike follow people in silence for a third of an episode (though personally, I'd love the show even if it was nothing but that stuff). It seems very different from the BB podcasts, where he said his writer's room mantra was 'get to the loving' - the analogy being that nobody watches a porno for the talky bits at the beginning, they want to see something exciting. I know BCS was and is meant to be a slower show with far fewer action beats, and I love both shows equally, but it seems weird that he thinks we should have to wait for as long as possible for, say, Gus to show up and do Gus things, when in BB, they'd think of a big moment like Hank finding the RV with Jesse and Walt trapped inside, which a lesser show would have had as even a season cliffhanger, and they'd just loving go for it in the middle of a season in the middle of an episode, because they could then get to even bigger fish. All this is to say, I can't help but read it as a tacit admission that they're stretching not much plot to fill the episodes, but BCS owns, BB owns, and I love everything Vince, Gould and all the writers do.
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May 2, 2017 13:59
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I think that Jimmy will turn the tables at the disciplinary hearing. In the course of his defense, he will show that Chuck is delusional and a danger to himself (the lantern on newspaper), and definitely unfit to practice law. It would be a bonus if Hamlin could be called to testify to how many actual hours over the duration of his incapacity Chuck has actually successfully practiced law (relatively little, they farmed out the Sandpiper litigation, and he lost Mesa Verde). The Disciplinary Board can also suspend a law license: ____________________________________________ 7-208. Incompetency or incapacity. A. Disability inactive status. (1) In addition to or in lieu of the provisions of Rule 17-207 NMRA, where it is shown that an attorney is unable to fulfill professional responsibilities competently because of physical, mental, or emotional infirmity, impairment, incapacity, or illness, the Disciplinary Board may petition the Supreme Court to place the attorney on disability inactive status. If the Court places an attorney on disability inactive status the attorney shall not engage in the practice of law. ___________________________ The members of the disciplinary board may be Chuck's buddies, but they are also lawyers, and would likely seize the opportunity to nudge a competitor from the marketplace "for his own good, of course." Golli fucked around with this message at 14:27 on May 2, 2017 |
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May 2, 2017 14:25
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Golli posted:The members of the disciplinary board may be Chuck's buddies, but they are also lawyers, and would likely seize the opportunity to nudge a competitor from the marketplace "for his own good, of course." The way Petty with a Prior talks about what Jimmy did implies that ol' Chuck may not be as popular as he thinks.
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May 2, 2017 14:28
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Platystemon posted:Jimmy’s “apology” speech was savage. Yeah, the only thing missing from that apology was a comment where he would come right out and say, "You should always treat your brother with respect and be supportive no matter what." I guess that would be too blatant, but if I had written that scene, something like that sentence would probably have been in the first draft. I was going to say there's no reason for Chuck NOT to make a duplicate, but then there are the logistics of how he, of all people, would do that. Does he just suck it up and operate two recorders himself? Get Hamlin to do it? Take it somewhere to be copied? Really, no big deal, but I'd be a wee bit interested to know how. In other news...Kim's little "Bingo!" tells us she was looking for something in that little exchange after the meeting, and she probably approached Chuck for that very reason, and she got what she wanted. Not sure it's clear to me whether she was just fishing for info or, as already mentioned, wanted to get a stealth recording that would make Chuck look bad. But I'm not sure he says anything he wouldn't want to say, assuming he doesn't think he's being recorded. Pretty much all he does is tell her about the duplicate and says he's going to play the tape for the Bar Association. But that will become obvious to everyone involved when he actually does it anyway, so it seems that legally, it's no big deal to tell her. But confirming that the original is still safe and sound--that could be valuable info. I think it would be way cool if Jimmy were to somehow find out where it is and get Walter White's Big Magnet Truck and pull it up next to the building where it's locked away. Actually, though, I'm kind of expecting Viktor and Gisele St. Clair to show up (in spirit if not by name), which would be far better. We've already been given a little foreshadowing on that one in the comment that they can't make an appearance for the next year.
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May 2, 2017 14:30
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I think the verbage change to "destroy" would imply that there are no more copies of the tape, but they just admitted there was a copy, so it wasn't technically destroyed. Is it possible that the confession could be dismissed because he was made to confess to something he technically didn't do? That's what I think.
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Astro7x posted:I think the verbage change to "destroy" would imply that there are no more copies of the tape, but they just admitted there was a copy, so it wasn't technically destroyed. Is it possible that the confession could be dismissed because he was made to confess to something he technically didn't do? But he did, in fact, destroy a cassette tape. The statement doesn't say anything about how or why said tape might be significant, or even that it was significant in any way. I think the point there is simply that Chuck immediately homes in on the very word that Kim changed.
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May 2, 2017 14:43
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:I've loved every episode of both shows up until now but this was garbage filler. Gus' backstory is some boring bullshit that would have been left better unexplained, but it took up almost 30 minutes of this episode. You are objectively, scientifically provably wrong. The Mike/Gus/Cartel stuff is the best part of this show by far.
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May 2, 2017 14:45
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The existence of the original tape is a key part of the defense. Chuck: "My brother has been sick for a while, it's been affecting his work, and after he lost the Mesa Verde account he went rapidly downhill. I mean look at his living conditions, look at this hearing room, this can't be healthy long-term. Concerned for his well-being, I visited him and indulged his fantasy paranoid conspiracy theory in the mistaken belief that he could then move on and improve his situation. I had no idea that he would record our meeting. When I found out that he had done so, I was angry at the breach of trust by my brother, so I went to confront him and retrieve the tape. And then I recently discover that he purposely made a duplicate of the tape (even keeping the original)so that he could use it against me at some point in the future? And engineered the circumstances that induced me to my actions?! I don't know what to say. I did what I did, those are the facts - but ultimately the reason I stand before you is that my brother Chuck, is sick, and needs help. .... " Disciplinary Board: "We're gonna recess. Holy gently caress"
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May 2, 2017 14:51
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Whatever you may think the title of the show implies, in effect this has been a show about both Saul and Mike for 3 seasons now. They are not going to ease up on the Mike plotlines and I'm glad because they're great.
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May 2, 2017 14:52
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Slippin' Jimmy is gonna pull the old switcheroo so when Chuck plays the tape at the hearing it's the tape with the American Bandstand theme song
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May 2, 2017 15:08
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Count me in the small minority who wanted the Mike stuff to hurry up to get back to Jimmy's shenanigans. So boring.
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May 2, 2017 15:11
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Oh also lol at me and everyone else who thought Chuck would just give up on having the document tampering being entered into a court of law.
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May 2, 2017 15:14
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"Better Call Saul" is a great title for the whole of the series. Just like how Walter wasn't the only one "Breaking Bad", everyone in BCS is calling upon that Saul-ness inside. Think of how many complex cons everyone is running. The show is a series of cons and counter-cons and revenge and retaliation plots. Also I'm gonna bet Chuck will claim the destroyed tape was not a duplicate, but an unrelated or blank tape.
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May 2, 2017 15:20
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RJWaters2 posted:"Better Call Saul" is a great title for the whole of the series. Just like how Walter wasn't the only one "Breaking Bad", everyone in BCS is calling upon that Saul-ness inside. Chuck could not count on Jimmy destroying the tape without verifying its contents when he broke in to steal it, so it makes sense to have someone duplicate it. (Probably Ernesto in a final act of Chuckishness.)
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May 2, 2017 15:31
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Jimmy even mentions that Chuck mentored or helped get people onto the Bar commission so I find it really hard to believe that they're going to be that enamored by Jimmy. And I don't think they'll be surprised about Chuck's illness, though they may not know the extent to what he does to live and get by. I really don't think Jimmy is just going to be able to charm the pants off of the disciplinary board.
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This episode was definitely the one that most blurred the line between the two shows. I think it's getting a little close to the point of being too indulgent but you'd also have a really hard time telling the Mike story without telling the Gus story and Gus's story is inextricably linked to Hector and the cartel, plus I got a little giddy once I recognized Don Eladio and the hacienda so keep it up I say. At this point the only main character from BrBa who it makes any sense to introduce would be Hank and as much as I'd like to see him, I think that would make it feel just a little TOO much like Breaking Bad when they've got a really excellent show in its own right. As far as the "which plotline is most interesting" discussion, I imagine that we'll be splitting our time more or less equally between Mike, Jimmy, and Gus moving forward and that's perfectly fine by me. I personally find gangster/cartel drama a little more interesting than lawyer/brother drama but when the acting, writing, and production are this good I couldn't give a gently caress about which one is most featured in a given episode.
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Karmine posted:At this point the only main character from BrBa who it makes any sense to introduce would be Hank and as much as I'd like to see him, I think that would make it feel just a little TOO much like Breaking Bad when they've got a really excellent show in its own right. I could have sworn that I heard Hank's voice during the DEA raid of the ice cream shop that Mike was scoping out, but I didn't want to mention it at the time because I thought it seemed a bit too Mike's Voice and I didn't want to set this thread off But yeah, fully expecting to see Dean Norris before this show has run its course.
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