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The Sandman posted:The port is in the capital, and the dictator is a lunatic who we don't want to risk replacing with someone competent. My embarrassing geography gaff (geogaff?) aside, this argument doesn't hold water. Unifying political and military leaders don't just spring out of the ruins of a presidential palace, and they definitely don't do their unifying in the time frame the ground forces would need to take a lot more lithium mines.
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OK, so maybe the Dictator is going to be throwing A-10s at us. This may be a problem. I think we should recommend Von Hoff keep Rohan on the new Air Also it feels good that Angola (I'm speaking about the Provisional Government here, I refuse to recognize the Dos Santos regime as the legitimate government  ) is apparently doing well. Long may it continue (well, until they establish a stable government).Also god drat the balls on those guys defecting to us by going through regime territory. I think if we get a land border with the Free State, their army might more or less defect to us wholesale.
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Yvonmukluk posted:OK, so maybe the Dictator is going to be throwing A-10s at us. This may be a problem. They're only as much of a problem as frogfoots would be. If we catch them going to or coming from a strike, they're going to go down hard.
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While I too am concerned about the dictator's purchases, there's a decent chance the warthogs in question are what he'll be feeding the latest Air Marshal to after a fuckup.
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I'm not entirely sure he'd find anyone willing to sell him A-10s. Half the world operates or operated F-16s but A-10s were only ever assigned to the United States. I'm agreeing with the "fate of the next air marshall" thing. And if I'm wrong, well, they're trivial to shoot down.
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I'm pretty sure we can handle A10s. They're decent ground attackers in permissive airspace but we have SAMs and actual fighters. The days of simply being too tough to kill easily are over.
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May 2, 2017 15:06
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Honestly I'd almost be more worried about a stampede of warthogs across our runway.
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Maybe hes running out of money / mercs who want to fly for him?
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May 2, 2017 15:12
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Hey, you know the SU-25Ts we're operating? A-10s are like that. We don't have a whole lot of ground presence, and the A-10 was always designed to repel 1970s AAA/SAMs anyway--any actual air cover will smack it down.
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May 2, 2017 15:14
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The SA-22 in particular is the hardest of counters to the A-10.
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May 2, 2017 15:17
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Yooper posted:Rohan will not be available during the next mission. She is behind enemy lines searching for what remains of Silent Bob. Something about an aerial viking funeral. I can't help but imagine this as a corpse strapped to a missile. Or maybe some napalm.
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May 2, 2017 15:20
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I think I found our new anti-air solution:
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chitoryu12 posted:I think I found our new anti-air solution: Ooh! What is it?
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Geocities Homepage King posted:I can't help but imagine this as a corpse strapped to a missile. Or maybe some napalm. Silent Bob's remains attached to a cruise missile that's about to hit the Dictator's bedroom.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Ooh! Looks like one of these, but with missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker
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Crazycryodude posted:Silent Bob's remains attached to a cruise missile that's about to hit the Dictator's bedroom. Sometimes I think Rohan's schtick is that she's actually more in touch with the Goonmind than any of us will admit. "This place is important to their lithium sales? Let's gently caress it up- oh, poo poo." "Time to knock these fuckers out while we can." "An entire attack wing? And it's just me and my wingman? Put on some kickass music and lets Ace Combat this poo poo." These are all decisions I could see us having made.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Ooh! It's an experimental General Dynamics vehicle someone posted in the Airpower/Cold War thread. Basically takes a Stryker and mounts a rotating turret with missiles. Supposedly they're modular pods on the side that can be used for Hellfires, Sidewinders, Stingers, or APKWS rockets. They're also working on a laser-equipped Stryker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiEXkqIbKsY
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Night10194 posted:Sometimes I think Rohan's schtick is that she's actually more in touch with the Goonmind than any of us will admit. In a secret thread in GIP, goons vote for what their PC Rohan does. We dont know about each other, and they are equally pissed at how we left our runway unguarded 
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I am relieved to hear that the Free State ground forces are under equipped despite being nominally well funded. I have always entertained the possibility that the Free State might be just another kickstarter scam. I am alarmed, however, to hear that the paint job on the Free State jets is "killer", because if they like it it must be terrible. Get ready to repaint the Kfirs.
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Cathode Raymond posted:I am relieved to hear that the Free State ground forces are under equipped despite being nominally well funded. I have always entertained the possibility that the Free State might be just another kickstarter scam. If you think the paint job is bad, wait until you see the decals...
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Cathode Raymond posted:I am relieved to hear that the Free State ground forces are under equipped despite being nominally well funded. I have always entertained the possibility that the Free State might be just another kickstarter scam. However, they do appear to have hired their final stretch goal. What's cool in the Brazilian arsenal?
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NewMars posted:If you think the paint job is bad, wait until you see the decals... Hope you guys like Idolm@ster.
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power crystals posted:I'll double-check the timings and if this works (knowing you, it probably does) I'll throw in a salvo onto the ammo depot. Excellent. I'm all for making the most out of our cruise missiles. power crystals posted:This is the "play it safe" plan. If we get ultra-unlucky, the Kfirs defect the instant our CAP Gripens land and they're screwed. This is part of why I was never super thrilled about trying to steal those as it was. I agree with your one hundred percent on the need to be cautious. I'm just note sure if keeping two Gripens and all our Phantom on the ground is the safest option. That means benching 40% of our air-to-air capability. And that strikes me as pretty risky -- it's going to leave the rest of our CAP stretched pretty darn thin. There's only two Gripens in Guardian Flight and if they Bingo or Winchester, that leaves us pretty naked. What if we tried this? Take the two Gripens from the Welcome Mat Flight and stick them in the CAP rotation. That way, when Guardian is down, the other two Gripens can be up on CAP and vice versa. We can leave the four Phantoms at Cassamba. It's centrally-located and the Phantoms have the legs and the speed to go help the Kfirs. Alternatively, Guardian Flight (or the other CAP Gripens) can dash off to help the Kfirs and the Phantoms can sortie to cover their CAP duty. It also frees up two Phantoms to go kill Tunguskas. power crystals posted:I honestly have no idea what the appropriate cruise missile launch altitude is, so whatever the Tornadoes want. I don't think we need the Reaper to locate and fire on fixed targets; I may change that to fire on one of the 3 targets you specified above if they have leftover ammo. Excellent. The ability to chuck cruise missiles 20--300 nautical miles is a huge ace up our sleeves. I'm always glad to fly a Storm Shadow through someone's window. power crystals posted:Dagger's probably only getting one sortie so I don't care if they sit around doing nothing. We might be able to send up with Sledge 2 and just tell them to not go in first, though. The 1500s are because I want that thing to not hang around, so it can just fire both and go home. Likewise, the AS.30Ls have a longer range. We just bought those things, I don't want to immediately lose them. As I said, playing it safe. The more sorties we can get from Dagger, the faster Von Hoff can advance and the more money we make. So I'm in favor of getting them up and in the fight ASAP. If we can free up two Phantoms, they can go help the Gripens drop bombs on the Tunguskas from altitude, which would make it easier for Dagger to get in and make strikes early and later in the day. I get your point on the armament choices. Wouldn't want to be a T-72 when 1500kgs of laser-guided metal and HE land on me... power crystals posted:VC.10 is way the hell over there in the east and potentially down for maintenance post-Kfirs. If we're operating at night the SA-11s shouldn't even be able to see us, so I'm not terribly concerned about the standoff range. When it comes to standoff firepower -- I'm most interested in sending cruise missiles into Benguela, Lobito or the three targets I mentioned earlier (Caimbambo Ammo Depot, Benguela Airport, and Balombo FOB). Some of those sites are 230 klicks from Lunbago so the only way to really hit them is with cruise missiles. We might even have the range to kill the Ministry of Defense Building in Luadna, although that's a little bit of a reach. power crystals posted:Honestly, the buddy tanking is because I wanted a weapon that could track moving targets at night, and all the German Tornadoes had (as far as I can tell) was a pair of IR Mavericks which didn't seem very impressive. I doubt we're going to find something to fire 24 Brimstones into, so they can at least help us search for longer. I get the appeal of using buddy tanking. It's one of the reasons I wanted to buy so many Tornadoes in the first place. But if we have 50% of our cruise missile carriers on tanker duty, it takes away a lot of strike options. If we want to clear the way for Von Hoff by killing Caimbambo Depot, Benguela Airport, Balombo FOB and/or any other major targets behind Angolan ines -- we need to be making cruise missile attacks all day. And we need the two German Tornadoes to be making Taurus strikes later in the day. Let's let the VC.10 or the KC-135 do the job of tanking, if we get it right - we can always have one airborne while the other is getting ready to go again. power crystals posted:SK60s again are utterly defenseless whereas the others at least have a chance; this is playing it safe. One set of dumb rocket strikes won't do much additional damage. I agree the SK 60s are vulnerable. They shouldn't be committed to unsanitized airspace. However, by the afternoon, I think we'll have cleared the Angola AA, giving the the Dragonslayers some room to operate. The SK 60s have proved to be surprisingly good FOB and facility killers. If we sortie them, they can cheaply destroy (or wear down) the easy targets, freeing up harder targets for the other strikers. What about this as a low-risk option? Leave them at Cassamba or Lubango on Alert 15. If things are clear enough, sortie them and we can earn some extra cash hitting easy targets. If not, they can power down and call it a day.
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Davin Valkri posted:However, they do appear to have hired their final stretch goal. What's cool in the Brazilian arsenal? Mirage 2000s, and by 2023 they should have Gripen NGs.
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paragon1 posted:Hope you guys like Idolm@ster. The defecting pilots will be flying Strike Witches-themed planes, obviously.
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Thanks for the critique, Bacarruda. Let me try to take your concerns in order.Bacarruda posted:I'm unsure about leaving four Gripens on duty for this operation. It greatly diminishes our other CAP and our ability to deliver SDBs. I feel that we need to keep at least SOMETHING in the back pocket to go up once the Kfirs make their run and possibly keep away KF-16s and F-2As. You're probably right, however, in that if they are not going to cross the border anyway until the Kfirs come online, then two of them can join the standard CAP rotation. Bacarruda posted:Similar concerns about the Tornadoes. By the time we spot a SAM site, get the Tornadoes into position, fire the Tauruses and have them land, that SAM will have already bagged the Kfir flight. We're better off tasking the Tornadoes with other SEAD or deep strike tasks with the main element. These two are connected, so I'll address them in turn. My objective in deploying the Tornadoes on that side is to at least partially sanitize the right most corridor, in case they attempt to launch from Saurimo. The current path leads them right over two radars and an airbase, so we need to put something over there to give them a flying chance. I can switch the Tornadoes for AMX Ghiblis with JDAMs and have THOSE target the radars, skirting the border to avoid trouble. We'll have to use more cruise missiles against Luena, but that's not impossible. I'm not sure what jammers you're talking about on the map. Could you point them out? Bacarruda posted:Two Gripens with only two Meteors each is a very weak CAP. I'd up the Meteor loadout to four each and add 2-4 more fighters to our CAP. Sure, I can add more fighters. Not 100% on changing from Standard to Max Intercept, but I guess they can tank up before moving to escort the Kfirs. Bacarruda posted:Any reason for giving the Mirages the AS.30L missiles over the GBU-12s? They can carry a lot more boom if they bring those Paveways. 2 AS.30Ls each with 240 DP apiece isn't that much less damage potential that 2 GBU-12s with 260 DP each. They have the same damage type and accuracy, and the AS.30Ls can be guided in from much further away (15 nm vs. 8 nm). It provides a bit of standoff insurance, or "fire, run, guide", if you'd like. Bacarruda posted:You'll want to specify EMCON and altitude rules to keep aircraft safe from SAMs. EMCON is specified in the header of GOLGOTHA. I'll add an extra note to not fly below 15k ft unless needed--that should provide a nice buffer between them and the Tunguskas/AAA. Bacarruda posted:Can't go wrong with Robin Olds' old naming scheme. Ford, Olds, Rambler, Dodge, Chevy, Lincoln, Edsel, etc. Those are good, but they lack...something. A connection to the idea of GESTAS, I guess? Right now I'm thinking Hitoshura, Matador, Daisoujou...the fiends from SMT: Nocturne. That's appropriately supernatural while still being more distinct that the angels.
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Decoy Badger posted:The defecting pilots will be flying Strike Witches-themed planes, obviously. Is there no end to the Free State's evil?!?
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Can the Taurus accept waypoints? I imagine the Storm Shadow can. That's a very useful capability when combined with terrain exploitation to avoid inopportune engagements.
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May 2, 2017 19:43
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Survey says yes, Taurus can accept a 20 waypoint course.
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Davin Valkri posted:I feel that we need to keep at least SOMETHING in the back pocket to go up once the Kfirs make their run and possibly keep away KF-16s and F-2As. You're probably right, however, in that if they are not going to cross the border anyway until the Kfirs come online, then two of them can join the standard CAP rotation. I'm not opposed to having a reserve group of fighters. I just don't think it's wise to bench half of our best fighters. If they send F-16s and F-2A running our way, I'm not honestly that concerned. They have no tanker support and not much gas to play with if they get close to our border. Davin Valkri posted:These two are connected, so I'll address them in turn. My objective in deploying the Tornadoes on that side is to at least partially sanitize the right most corridor, in case they attempt to launch from Saurimo. The current path leads them right over two radars and an airbase, so we need to put something over there to give them a flying chance. We can't sanitize the right corridor with only four HARMs. It also strikes me as very unwise to be worrying about radars far away from our main force, which is going to be dealing with loads of radar and SAMs. Davin Valkri posted:I can switch the Tornadoes for AMX Ghiblis with JDAMs and have THOSE target the radars, skirting the border to avoid trouble. We'll have to use more cruise missiles against Luena, but that's not impossible. The Tornado for AMX sawp seems good to me. The AMXes are good for that kind of thing, especially if they can stay at attitude. There were some ground-based jammers near Benguela last mission, iirc. Davin Valkri posted:Sure, I can add more fighters. Not 100% on changing from Standard to Max Intercept, but I guess they can tank up before moving to escort the Kfirs. With the turnaround penalites, anytime we have to go Winchester RTB for more Meteors, our Gripens are out of the fight for hours. Better to have lots of missiles and hit the tanker a few times during the CAP. Davin Valkri posted:2 AS.30Ls each with 240 DP apiece isn't that much less damage potential that 2 GBU-12s with 260 DP each. They have the same damage type and accuracy, and the AS.30Ls can be guided in from much further away (15 nm vs. 8 nm). It provides a bit of standoff insurance, or "fire, run, guide", if you'd like. Fair enough. I am concerned about the dud rate of the older munitions. Any idea of how reliable the AS.30Ls are? Davin Valkri posted:Those are good, but they lack...something. A connection to the idea of GESTAS, I guess? Right now I'm thinking Hitoshura, Matador, Daisoujou...the fiends from SMT: Nocturne. That's appropriately supernatural while still being more distinct that the angels. Gotta have callsigns fighter pilots can say! 
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Yooper posted:
What if the Kfir defection is some kind of Free State ploy? 
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Is 24 Hours enough time for those of you still working on plans? We're in no hurry, another day is cool.
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Yooper posted:Is 24 Hours enough time for those of you still working on plans? We're in no hurry, another day is cool. I could do with a vote to narrow down the options we can refine the winners if need be
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power crystals posted:Operation Liontamer Adjusted: - Cruise missiles go up twice and buddy Tornado mounts Tauruses in the night strike - SDB Gripens go up three times - SK60s join Dagger flight - Frogfoot (and SK60s!) execute Quick Turnaround during daytime strike - Cruise missile target priorities defined - Centurion flight swaps to GBU-24s after the Kfirs arrive - Moved Welcome Mat to Menongue and instructed them to intercept the Kfirs wherever they come from. I'd just like to note that this has the potential to fire 92 SDBs and 20 cruise missiles, plus all kinds of smaller munitions. We're gonna hurt something.
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I really wish you guys would be a bit more conservative with Storm shadow use, they cost about a million bucks each and throwing them around really puts a dent in our profit margins. Secondly I strongly suspect we will have some naval action even if its just reinforcements for the dictator arriving (mercenaries with a small heli-carrier thing?) Between the purchase options being loaded with anti-shipping birds and a bloody frigate being on sale I feel like something is up. 
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We don't actually pay for our specific munitions anymore, I thought.
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I actually considered renaming it Operations Loadsa Munny because... yeah. But look, we just need to blow up the dictator's stuff to get our ground guys to take more mines.
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Our cheapest planes are what, 1.2M? And the average is around 30M? if we take out radars and Surface-to-Air assets, we're saving money since we don't have to constantly replace planes.
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