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Dr Cheeto posted:The degrees of seperation don't make it any more or less likely that a player is gonna offload the blame to someone or something else, that's just a consequence of who the player is. In my limited time with MOBAs, the playerbase has categorically been the most unpleasant to be around. I think everything about Dota is kind of engineered to bring out the worst traits in people and it shows. Even the occassional HotS goon group has had 1 or 2 really disagreeable people who start getting emotional and lashing out because their beautiful Tracer is getting hurt by the big mean Diablo. It's pathetic.
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In Training posted:I guess the NDA on Quake Champions is up. The shooting looks like Quake but the gun models are insanely ugly and there's 3 different kinds of currnecy and loot boxes and 8 layers of unnecessary bullshit on top, thankfully. Gotta love modern gaming! I still have faith given that this is coming from id Software, which had virtually everything going against it from the word go last year and then turned out with one of the best games of the year. Every multiplayer shooter not named Splatoon is bound to have loot boxes now, I've accepted that in my heart. I'd be more worried about it if this was coming from EA or Ubisoft. When is this coming out?
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FirstAidKite posted:Lots of multiplayer communities for games are lovely. MOBAs I guess might be more vocal, idk, but their worst don't seem any worse than any other competitive game group's worst people. The difference is that the awful behavior in MOBAs is far more frequent than in other games. You get at least one awful person in like every game.
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raditts posted:
Cowboy Bebop and his dog
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Andrast posted:The difference is that the awful behavior in MOBAs is far more frequent than in other games. You get at least one awful person in like every game. That sounds way lower than expected to be honest. Like what percent of the population is truly awful? Gotta be like high 60%'s at least. But maybe there's just so much more downtime that it's easier to show it than say in a fighting game or whatever.
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Yeah, 10 people stuck in the same game for 40+ minutes is really a deadly combination of people + time. When I was in college, the dorms were into Dota. I once played a match with them and did all right, but a friend of mine was super into it and his roommate fed the enemy team pretty badly. After the match was over my friend was berating and yelling at his roommate for literally 10 minutes, Full Metal Jacket style, so everyone in the hallway could hear. "DON'T GO PAST RIVER" is still a joke a decade later
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If the Quake NDA's up, then I can say it's decent but I really think the character stuff just muddies the water since on top of their abilities they'll all have different health, armor, speed values and movement physics, and the netcode seems kind of spotty. I'm pretty sure the lightning gun's damage is based on tick-rate because sometimes that thing can just focus you down in a second. But yeah, it's the character stuff I'm not a fan of since it can mean the difference between gibbing a fool in two rocket hits or three which just feels inconsistent. Of course, I'll admit that I was never big into Quake, I was more of an UT guy. Speaking of which...I said come in! posted:That sucks. :/ I miss the days of Quake 2 when people were making tons of mods. I wish someone would bring that back. I guess Epic Games is trying to do that with the new Unreal Tournament but I have no idea what the status of that title is at. Kind of hard to tell. I think they're ramping up production because so far this year they've released a build every month and their blog updates are waaaaaay more consistent. But they're also constantly changing and rebalancing stuff in a way that's pissing off the grogs and adding and changing guns so it's very much in flux. I try it once or twice a year but at this point I'm just waiting for a proper release. I've loved it everytime I've played, and I really dig the look, especially after UT3's over-designed aesthetic.
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May 2, 2017 17:28
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Are the Quake heroes shippable at least
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exquisite tea posted:In my limited time with MOBAs, the playerbase has categorically been the most unpleasant to be around. I think everything about Dota is kind of engineered to bring out the worst traits in people and it shows. Even the occassional HotS goon group has had 1 or 2 really disagreeable people who start getting emotional and lashing out because their beautiful Tracer is getting hurt by the big mean Diablo. It's pathetic. I played LoL with goons way back and they kept assuring me they wouldn't be hard on me since I told them I was new and then during the match they started getting angry at me for playing bad. And then later *I* was the one getting angry and lashing out at people and then I stopped playing MOBAs completely
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Help Im Alive posted:Are the Quake heroes shippable at least Everything is.
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May 2, 2017 17:33
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MOBAs are basically someone going "What if we took Sartre's No Exit and turned it into a game"
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Help Im Alive posted:Are the Quake heroes shippable at least sexy doom marine/screaming eyeball 4 ever
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May 2, 2017 17:33
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I'm really not liking Bioshock Infinite much. The dumb tone deaf story is eh whatever but what's really killing is the attempts to make it a modern shooter and it's basically babbies first linear FPS experience except I could have beaten three CoD games by now and it's still going.
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exquisite tea posted:In my limited time with MOBAs, the playerbase has categorically been the most unpleasant to be around. I think everything about Dota is kind of engineered to bring out the worst traits in people and it shows. Even the occassional HotS goon group has had 1 or 2 really disagreeable people who start getting emotional and lashing out because their beautiful Tracer is getting hurt by the big mean Diablo. It's pathetic. The first I kinda agree, but the 2nd sounds you're poo-pooing anyone being invested in a game made to be competitive. People will be emotional whether it's CSGO, Smash Brothers, or whatever else if they're going in to win it.
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May 2, 2017 17:35
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MOBAs in general have long playtimes and high barriers to entry so I feel like that winnows down your playerbase somewhat and what's left over is a population of gamers who are biased towards toxic behavior. Add to that the multitude of ways you can slight or screw your own team over and it's a recipe for disaster.
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May 2, 2017 17:38
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DOUBLE CLICK HERE posted:The first I kinda agree, but the 2nd sounds you're poo-pooing anyone being invested in a game made to be competitive. People will be emotional whether it's CSGO, Smash Brothers, or whatever else if they're going in to win it. I am because it's pathetic, to be quite honest. If you're angry and emotional that the big candy cane man is beating down your space waifu, try to take a step back for a moment and reflect upon the various poor life decisions that led you to this point. Somehow millions of people manage to play competitive games without lashing out at whoever's most available.
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May 2, 2017 17:41
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I mean, trash talk is generally a part of competition and has been for ages, it's just that when you're playing with people you somewhat know and will likely play with again, people know the boundaries of what's acceptable; when it comes to randos on the internet all bets are off. And directing it at your opponents is definitely different from tearing down your teammates
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May 2, 2017 17:44
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Bogart posted:Can somebody explain the whole Fate/Stay Night series. As a fan of Persona and fake history, would I like it? All I know about it is some vague memory of the PM (pre-meme) era 4chan Unlimited Blade Works joke. I read an LP of the original visual novel here years ago, so I'm a bit fuzzy on the details. But the premise is that every X number of years (I can't remember the exact timeframe) the holy grail appears, and seven magicians are given the opportunity to summon historical figures and fight to the last person standing. That person can then wish for anything from the holy grail. And that whole development studio (I'm not sure if they have one writer or several?) gets very anal about rules of magic and types of magic and so on, so the original story was mostly a lot of characters doing weird exploitations of the rules of the grail tournament for various ends. One of the story paths is also full of really gross sexual assult and abuse, which is where I decided to stop following the LP! But yeah, I think the other games/stories in that franchise are about other grail tournaments of various kinds, or crossovers with other games that studio has made. I don't know if I'd recommend it. It kinda swings between horror and action. If you can stomach some gross and tasteless sexual horror and really love stories built around rules lawyering fictional magic systems, give it a shot? Red Bones fucked around with this message at 17:50 on May 2, 2017 |
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Bogart posted:Can somebody explain the whole Fate/Stay Night series. As a fan of Persona and fake history, would I like it? All I know about it is some vague memory of the PM (pre-meme) era 4chan Unlimited Blade Works joke. Liking persona doesn't really matter at all IMO, other than having a tolerance for general anime shenanigans. The only vague similarity I'd give between the two is that the PSP spinoff Fate/Extra has a bit of a Persona calendar/S. Link system. TBQH I can't really speak for the rest it all that much because the series kind of lost me once it dived into its billion spinoffs (well, mostly the f2p mobile game Fate/Grand Order). Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 17:51 on May 2, 2017 |
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I'm just starting The Sexy Brutale, and for anyone that's played it, was the second murder supposed to be so simple or did I miss something? I didn't really even see anything or know what the second death involved, just grabbed the CCTV code, pushed the button and watched the scene play out. Was there a shitload of ambient story in the Casino area that I completely missed or something?
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Andrast posted:The difference is that the awful behavior in MOBAs is far more frequent than in other games. You get at least one awful person in like every game. See, you say that but then I think about stories involving fighting game communities and I hear similar nightmare stories. I really do think that with MOBAs, it's just that you have more people playing at a time and for a longer period of time so you end up with something that looks far worse than other esports.
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The recent Fate/Extella is a decent Musou clone but anyone coming into it without a vague idea of what's going on and who people are is going to be mighty confused.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Darksiders is back! I'm glad Simon, sorry, Simone Belmont successfully finished transitioning.  
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FirstAidKite posted:See, you say that but then I think about stories involving fighting game communities and I hear similar nightmare stories. I really do think that with MOBAs, it's just that you have more people playing at a time and for a longer period of time so you end up with something that looks far worse than other esports. The difference is that if I want to play Mortal Kombat or For Honor or Starcraft right now, I can do a whole bunch of matches where the only thing people say is "GG" if they even say anything at all.
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FirstAidKite posted:See, you say that but then I think about stories involving fighting game communities and I hear similar nightmare stories. I really do think that with MOBAs, it's just that you have more people playing at a time and for a longer period of time so you end up with something that looks far worse than other esports. It doesn't look worse, it IS worse. Mobas are designed in a way that encourages toxic behaviour and that makes the communities absolutely awful.
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exquisite tea posted:The difference is that if I want to play Mortal Kombat or For Honor or Starcraft right now, I can do a whole bunch of matches where the only thing people say is "GG" if they even say anything at all. I've had plenty of matches of of league of legends go the same way  anecdotal evidence and opinions, I doubt there is any conclusive evidence one way or the other.
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FirstAidKite posted:I've had plenty of matches of of league of legends go the same way But you just said you only play against the AI...
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Sakurazuka posted:I'm really not liking Bioshock Infinite much. The dumb tone deaf story is eh whatever but what's really killing is the attempts to make it a modern shooter and it's basically babbies first linear FPS experience except I could have beaten three CoD games by now and it's still going. When I first played it I thought the narrative was pretty bad and only got worse with convoluted time rift nonsense, which threw the more interesting political and racial themes out the window early. It looks good but the combat is nothing special at all. I remember when I got the first power which is some psychokinesis and all it amounts to is a loving grenade. Like, it's no different than if you threw a real grenade as opposed to this incredible power. At that juncture I was just like "oh." The first Bioshock is better imo but it's fascinating to read how Bioshock Infinite is seen now.
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Mordja posted:But you just said you only play against the AI... And with his friends. FAK please play a game with randos against other randos and watch your opinion change
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FirstAidKite posted:I've had plenty of matches of of league of legends go the same way Didn't you say you only played games vs. AI? And they're saying GG? The machines have become self-aware...
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Bogart posted:Can somebody explain the whole Fate/Stay Night series. As a fan of Persona and fake history, would I like it? All I know about it is some vague memory of the PM (pre-meme) era 4chan Unlimited Blade Works joke. echoing everything already said, but also worth mentioning there's an updated release of f/sn that cuts out all the sexual content including the aforementioned sexual abuse. people mention fate/zero a lot but i wouldn't recommend starting with it at all even though it's a prequel, it technically spoils some really big reveals and it's just kind of a way edgier and dumber story than f/sn and will give you a very different idea of what the series in general is like if you're actually trying to get into it
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I've played against other players in dota 2 and league of legends. I'm not good at it though so I usually don't. I get curbstomped. People get mad about me feeding the other team but it's nothing worse than what others hear in online multiplayer FPS games or raids and the like.Andrast posted:It doesn't look worse, it IS worse. Mobas are designed in a way that encourages toxic behaviour and that makes the communities absolutely awful. Like, I've only ever had 1 truly bad moba experience and that was with a goon who promised he was not gonna get mad but then proceeded to do nothing but scream and shout because we weren't playing optimally, and that was not a fun time, especially since my fiancee was playing with us and she has PTSD and people shouting at her like that causes her to go into a panic and this goon was all "I don't care, she was playing badly!" and that's super lovely. Then I hear stuff like that one guy from the competitive smash bros community who forced a little kid to give up his smash trophy, or the variety of stories regarding TF2 people getting pissy as hell, or the guys who ran their own CSGO gambling sites, all that poo poo. Everything is bad, MOBAs don't seem any worse to me. They just seem longer.
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Lakbay posted:And with his friends. Or better yet, play other cool games with your friends, that would probably be a better route. That said, if a group is having fun vs AI MOBA more power to them, they're not hurting anyone, which is more than I can say for many Dota players
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Steve2911 posted:I'm just starting The Sexy Brutale, and for anyone that's played it, was the second murder supposed to be so simple or did I miss something? I didn't really even see anything or know what the second death involved, just grabbed the CCTV code, pushed the button and watched the scene play out. I don't think you missed much, same thing happened to me. They get a lot more complex. It's a really fun game and more peeps should be playing it
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FirstAidKite posted:Then I hear stuff like that one guy from the competitive smash bros community who forced a little kid to give up his smash trophy, or the variety of stories regarding TF2 people getting pissy as hell, or the guys who ran their own CSGO gambling sites, all that poo poo. It doesn't happen in every single match in those games.
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I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trying to say that the moba community is nice or anything like that. All I'm trying to say is that the moba community, in my personal experience from dealing with goons and randos across 3 separate mobas (LoL, Dota 2, Awesomenauts), they seem about as much of a mixed bag as other groups of people like the fighting game community.Andrast posted:It doesn't happen in every single match in those games. It didn't happen in every single match for me vs pubbies either
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Sorry, I feel like I'm just making people mad and it's not my intention to do that. Is it ok if we just drop the subject? I'll stop, sorry if I was causing anyone any problems.
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I've played 5 a side football with people who make the game less enjoyable because of how serious they take it or how whiny they can be at people with less skilled than them. People are dickheads in all walks of life, it's not some exclusive negative point of online games in general or indeed MOBAS.
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A moba but when you're dead you aren't allowed to type. I'll take my check in steam dollars Valve.
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