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Lobok posted:Good thing for cops that water is so used to being kettled. I appreciate this. In other provincial election news, Nova Scotia is off to the polls at the end of May. The incumbent party sucks, the challengers are uninspiring, and there isn't (yet?) any particular issue that might make anyone give a gently caress. I haven't lived here very long but I get the sense that this is a particularly depressing election. With any luck the NS Libs will continue their PR fuckups into the campaign and give us something to point at and laugh.
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Helsing posted:Still not as bad as Freeland exploiting her Nazi granddad's past for political gain. Still trying to cling desperately to this dumb point that was literally dug up by a foreign government because we said that government was doing bad things? Like, this isn't even a huge stretch conspiracy theory or anything, it's basically a dumb smear attempt. The last time you clutched pearls over this dumb issue no one cared then. Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 02:09 on May 2, 2017 |
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It might be too fresh for any articles to have been written but London just approved ranked ballots for their 2018 election. First city in Canada*. It'll be a fascinating election to watch last year. *first city to actually go through with it, seemingly. Toronto approved it in 2013 but reversed the decision last year before a ranked ballot election was ever held. Lobok fucked around with this message at 02:50 on May 2, 2017 |
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cowofwar posted:People who don't vote: poor people, renters. Looking at the NDP housing platform it's clearly designed to be immune from BC Liberal attacks that it would decrease homeowner equity, so it mostly focuses on foreign capital, tax evasion and pro-renter policies. Seems like a good idea on paper except that the resultant policies, like the $400 renter rebate, have been attacked as being ineffectual and not going far enough to create affordability. The NDP have again found themselves in a lose/lose situation.
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namaste faggots posted:You all deserve clark. Couillard got elected in Quebec.
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Who loving cares about the maritimes
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Lobok posted:It might be too fresh for any articles to have been written but London just approved ranked ballots for their 2018 election. First city in Canada*. It'll be a fascinating election to watch last year. Ranked ballots are actually pretty common in Canada, they're just usually for internal party elections rather than general elections. If Alberta's experience is anything to go on, what ranked ballots get you is a winner nobody likes and who is swiftly deposed by their own caucus.
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Oysters Autobio posted:Still trying to cling desperately to this dumb point that was literally dug up by a foreign government because we said that government was doing bad things? Like, this isn't even a huge stretch conspiracy theory or anything, it's basically a dumb smear attempt. Actually for something to be a smear it would have to be inaccurate
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Oysters Autobio posted:Still trying to cling desperately to this dumb point that was literally dug up by a foreign government because we said that government was doing bad things? Like, this isn't even a huge stretch conspiracy theory or anything, it's basically a dumb smear attempt. who's 'we'?
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PittTheElder posted:Ranked ballots are actually pretty common in Canada, they're just usually for internal party elections rather than general elections. If Alberta's experience is anything to go on, what ranked ballots get you is a winner nobody likes and who is swiftly deposed by their own caucus. Common for parties, yeah. When politicians say it's too complicated a system they're basically saying the general populace is not as smart as their party members. But the system hasn't been tried for elections so it should be interesting to see how London votes.
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namaste faggots posted:Who loving cares about the maritimes Who cares about anything outside of Ontario?
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SpannerX posted:Who cares about anything? There we go.
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SpannerX posted:Who cares about anything outside of Ontario? Only Ontarians care about Ontario
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mojo1701a posted:There we go. I was going to go with that, drat it.
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Manitoba is getting new schools using P3s, it allegedly worked well in Saskatchewan under noted god-premier Bradley Wall http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/schools-public-private-partnerships-pallister-1.4095152 quote:The Progressive Conservative government is moving cautiously toward building four schools using public-private partnerships, Premier Brian Pallister announced Tuesday morning.
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It just occurred to me that CI thinks you in B.C. all deserve Christy, and you all mock him for not leaving Vancouver. The reality is far worse - you in B.C. are so awful that you deserve *CI*. He's angry about this as he can't leave Vancouver until you all shape up. No wonder he's enraged all the time.
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my god is CI Rorschach? It would explain the verbal diarrhea and the inane ramblings. Where's doctor manhattan when you need him
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Vintersorg posted:I follow Wab Kinew and he's a pretty good guy. He's admitted to being a bit of a shithead in the past and has worked hard to right his wrongs. But at this point I just want SOMEONE to take out Pallister from office. Kinew running uncontested signals that the NDP have given up (which has been the case for some time now, but at least we know they've given up for the forseeable future as well). Pallister will at least get two terms now. It's officially the 90s in Manitoba again. Just replace "MTS" with "Hydro" in news stories from the 90s until 2026 or so.
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Helsing posted:Actually for something to be a smear it would have to be inaccurate Well considering he wasn't a Nazi then yeah, your post is inaccurate.
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MA-Horus posted:my god is CI Rorschach? It would explain the verbal diarrhea and the inane ramblings. Layton tried but instead he died of cancer
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DariusLikewise posted:Manitoba is getting new schools using P3s, it allegedly worked well in Saskatchewan under noted god-premier Bradley Wall quote:The government estimates the four new schools built under this model will cost over $100 million. Why is Manitoba averaging 25m per school? Ontario builds them for 12-16m with larger capacities and we obviously pay higher land costs. quote:https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2920317-are-new-halton-schools-in-jeopardy-/ quote:http://www.mypreserve.ca/news/new-catholic-elementary-school-to-open-september-2016/ quote:https://www.theifp.ca/news-story/6506617-hcdsb-trustees-vote-to-merge-holy-cross-st-francis-into-one-new-school/
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Risky Bisquick posted:Why is Manitoba averaging 25m per school? Ontario builds them for 12-16m with larger capacities and we obviously pay higher land costs. Likely because if it comes out to less they can use it for a headline.
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Because that's the point of P3's. You say a school will need to cost 5 billion dollars to build but with a P3 unleashing the efficiencies of the free market it will lower the cost to only 2 billion to the tax payer (with the rest being magical free money). Then the project gets built and comes in at 4.5billion total and everyone's wowed at the savings.
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It may cost less but the public will come out of the deal with the liabilities and the private will come out with the assets.
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InfiniteZero posted:Kinew running uncontested signals that the NDP have given up (which has been the case for some time now, but at least we know they've given up for the forseeable future as well). Pallister will at least get two terms now. It's officially the 90s in Manitoba again. Just replace "MTS" with "Hydro" in news stories from the 90s until 2026 or so. Pallister was going to get 2 terms anyways. He's playing the long game right now, his base is upset with him right now for not cutting fast and deep enough, but he's won over a lot of Moderates by appearing strategic and not ripping apart every last department now. It's the same thing Filmon did in the 90s really. Hydro sale and massive deep cuts will come in his 2nd mandate around the time that a scandal will erupt and unemployment will be peaking and the NDP(or reformed Manitoba Liberals lol) will take power. Also the Manitoba NDP leadership race is in September and if no one else declares against Kinew, Steve Ashton will probably enter just to give the race some legitimacy and help his party. cowofwar posted:It may cost less but the public will come out of the deal with the liabilities and the private will come out with the assets. This is the part of a P3 to build schools I struggle with, as far as my understanding goes it's basically the government putting up some money now for a company to design and build the schools and then the government pays them a pre-determined cost over a period of time to buy them out of the remaining costs of the school(plus interest) or is that completely off base?
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DariusLikewise posted:Pallister was going to get 2 terms anyways. He's playing the long game right now, his base is upset with him right now for not cutting fast and deep enough, but he's won over a lot of Moderates by appearing strategic and not ripping apart every last department now. It's the same thing Filmon did in the 90s really. Hydro sale and massive deep cuts will come in his 2nd mandate around the time that a scandal will erupt and unemployment will be peaking and the NDP(or reformed Manitoba Liberals lol) will take power. Basically a P3 is a way for the government to funnel taxpayer money to private enterprise. Functionally speaking, P3s tend to cost more government money and make worse products that are then run and maintained in worse ways than when the government does everything themselves. It's especially ironic because most pure government contracts are already public-private in that the government issues an RFP (for, say, construction companies to build a school), tenders bids, and chooses one, and then the private company builds it for the government. But then the school remains in government hands and is operated by the government. P3s are different because they tend to be structured so that the private company continues to run the school (or whatever it is) after it's constructed, in exchange for a fee from the government. The theory is that the private sector will be more efficient than the government would be to run the thing, so the government can get away with paying a fee to the operating corporation that is lower than the cost would have been for the government to run the place on its own. It almost never works out that way because we know that in practice the truism that the private sector is always more efficient is not actually true. The private companies cut corners, skimp on wages, and so on and so on (Zizek voice), in order to maximize the profit they're getting from their government fee, which means that a significantly smaller amount of money is actually being spent on the programming they're providing than would have been spent by the government (since first of all the fee the government is paying is supposed to be less than the government would have spent to run the place, and then the private company takes profits, executive wages, etc off the top of that), which typically leads to worse service. Often the government is also better able to get deals and cheap rates on things because they buy in bulk and have been running these things for a long time so they have a level of institutional and personal knowledge that a new private corporation doesn't have. And then what often ends up happening is the private corporation finds out it can't actually run the place for the fee the government is paying them, because the government accepted the lowest bidder (or accepted a politician's friend's company that doesn't actually know what it's doing) and either delivers an unacceptable product, or backs out entirely, leaving the government to clean up their mess, or the government has to step in and provide more funding because the contracts are structured in such a way that the private corporation never actually loses money. P3s are a scam. vyelkin fucked around with this message at 19:35 on May 2, 2017 |
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Thank you for clarifying, I knew it sounded scammy from the government website. The Senate Ethics Committee recommends expelling Don Meredith, good riddance https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/05/02/ethics-committee-to-table-report-on-senator-don-meredith.html quote:OTTAWA—The Senate’s ethics committee is recommending that disgraced Sen. Don Meredith be expelled from the upper chamber for engaging in a sexual relationship with a teenage girl.
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lovely P3s probably actually literally killed people in Ontario because the government switched the way it contracted out snow clearing on highways, started just accepting the lowest bidder on every contract, time to clear snow on the highways more than doubled, and in some cases it actually cost more money because the lowest bidder didn't even have the equipment to do the job correctly and the government had to buy it.quote:The province is cheaping out on winter road maintenance, Ontario's auditor general says. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/province-choosing-savings-over-snow-clearing-on-highways-ag-report-claims-1.3053718 But it's okay because we can fine them for not fulfilling their contracts, except they can appeal those fines, and also we're locked into the contracts for another decade. quote:Companies clearing Ontario highways owe more than $2.5 million in fines for poor performance last winter, but there is little the government can do to collect, except wait. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/snowplow-companies-fines-highways-ontario-1.3892511 vyelkin fucked around with this message at 19:52 on May 2, 2017 |
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Don Meredith did good work. Stop this witch hunt
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A Typical Goon posted:Well considering he wasn't a Nazi then yeah, your post is inaccurate. This is where I start agreeing with Helsing ranting at you fuckers. I'm with you when you make a point like "who the gently caress cares if Freeland said a dumb thing?" But if you're going to say that "Oh, I just edited a paper putting out Nazi holocaust propaganda, that doesn't make me a Nazi" is a legitimate excuse for participating in the holocaust, then you are a Nazi apologist. That was exactly the argument rejected by tribunals after the war. Every single Nazi aside from Hitler himself could have said "I was just following orders and if I hadn't, then I would have had to face consequences ranging from no longer having access to looted Jewish wealth to becoming a victim of state violence myself," but that doesn't mean that there were no Nazis. There were Nazis and the editor of a paper publishing anti-Jewish propaganda for Hitler in Poland during the holocaust is absolutely a loving Nazi.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Oh my god shut up who loving cares there are more important things to worry about in this country Exactly! Like making housing more affordable or something! Luckily Alberta is here to lead the way and show Canada how to do it right, once again  quote:Edmonton's first shipping-container apartment building under construction
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Baronjutter posted:Containers are terrible for housing, why hasn't this fad died out? Artisanal sustainable condos
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Baronjutter posted:Containers are terrible for housing, why hasn't this fad died out? Because they're hard to get rid of and piling up fast. 40 foot containers are seriously worth less in alberta than they cost to even truck back to the coast.
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pokeyman posted:I appreciate this. like this? http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/n-s-liberal-leader-under-fire-for-comments-about-female-candidates-1.3393863 quote:HALIFAX -- The leader of Nova Scotia's Progressive Conservative party is demanding an apology from the premier, saying Stephen McNeil has made "thoughtless and dismissive comments" about women candidates in the May 30 provincial election. I don't think he's wrong, but you know, you can't be honest.
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