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quote:Why is it considered perfectly fine to be transgender I'm, uh, gonna stop you right there
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Waffleopolis posted:Hey uh...Terry? I think you should apologize SUPER fast if you like being on B99.... No... terry... no Why you gotta be a piece of poo poo.
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Apr 30, 2017 00:39
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HookShot posted:I'm, uh, gonna stop you right there 
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Apr 30, 2017 05:03
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Waffleopolis posted:Hey uh...Terry? I think you should apologize SUPER fast if you like being on B99.... And right after news of an upcoming racial profiling episode. Because trans people have never had an issue with police, seeing as how they're "perfectly fine" these days.
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Apr 30, 2017 12:58
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Telling one group that their experiences are more, or less, valid than another is surely a recipe for success in our modern world.
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Apr 30, 2017 16:25
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TommyGun85 posted:I know its a comedy show, but that guy in a rough patch was "forced" into that position by gambling debts. You most certainly can judge him for the decisions he has made. pique interest
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Apr 30, 2017 23:19
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:Nah, it's a lot of valid points that are lost on you for reasons I'm sure don't have to do with you having a vested interest in the world working a certain way. What is "full on crazy" about pointing out the tendency for cops' to act like action heroes (and usually kill innocent, unarmed minorities in the process) and drawing a link to supposedly light, comedic media representation of cops where they act like action heroes (and wave their guns in the face of unarmed, uncharged individuals)? News flash: incompetence is funny and seeing people's lives get ruined is funnier. e: however, Gina has definitely sucked bad lately 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 1, 2017 |
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Apr 30, 2017 23:57
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I just realized that the mentorship b-plot is something of a recycle of the Ron Swanson pyramid of manliness joke from P&R, but they still take the premise of "old-fashioned masculinity taken to the point of absurdity" and execute it so differently
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May 1, 2017 23:34
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inthesto posted:I just realized that the mentorship b-plot is something of a recycle of the Ron Swanson pyramid of manliness joke from P&R, but they still take the premise of "old-fashioned masculinity taken to the point of absurdity" and execute it so differently I love that Holt is "execute[d]... so differently" from what we expect gay characters to act like. It is honestly refreshing af to see a gay (and black!) character represented as the antithesis of whatever shambling homo-culus hollywood dictates we internalize.
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May 1, 2017 23:38
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:I love that Holt is "execute[d]... so differently" from what we expect gay characters to act like. It is honestly refreshing af to see a gay (and black!) character represented as the antithesis of whatever shambling homo-culus hollywood dictates we internalize. Yeah it's great. There's a hint of Frasier and his brother in him, and they were low-key coded as gay, but the flashbacks to his funky badass cop days balance that out wonderfully, and I think they've done a great job of slowly revealing his goofy side, like when he eats marshmallows or congratulates Jake on the Full Bullpen. And that pun 
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May 2, 2017 00:02
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeah it's great. There's a hint of Frasier and his brother in him, and they were low-key coded as gay, but the flashbacks to his funky badass cop days balance that out wonderfully, and I think they've done a great job of slowly revealing his goofy side, like when he eats marshmallows or congratulates Jake on the Full Bullpen. Or holding puppies
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May 2, 2017 00:02
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bobkatt013 posted:Or holding puppies Or stanning over oboists
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May 2, 2017 00:04
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeah it's great. There's a hint of Frasier and his brother in him, and they were low-key coded as gay, but the flashbacks to his funky badass cop days balance that out wonderfully, and I think they've done a great job of slowly revealing his goofy side, like when he eats marshmallows or congratulates Jake on the Full Bullpen. poo poo, now I want some more of Holt's funky flashbacks.
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May 2, 2017 00:53
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:poo poo, now I want some more of Holt's funky flashbacks. 
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May 2, 2017 01:34
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Walk away Charles
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May 3, 2017 01:04
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Get woke, Scully.
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May 3, 2017 01:11
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TV and cake were my parents.
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May 3, 2017 01:19
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Have they done "very special" episode like this one before? Not to trivialize the issue, but even with all the usual humor weaved in, it felt a little heavy-handed.
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May 3, 2017 08:49
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404notfound posted:Have they done "very special" episode like this one before? Not to trivialize the issue, but even with all the usual humor weaved in, it felt a little heavy-handed. They said they didn't want to make the moment where he was profiled for being black a joke, it was too serious of a moment that was inspired by a real moment where Terry Crews got ripped off a plane because they thought he was a drug dealer. They had a dark, a very real moment, and that was separated from the funny ha ha jokes. I thought they balanced it really well, but I could see how it could be jarring. I don't really see how they could've handled it better, and I personally really enjoyed the episode, much more than a lot of others to be honest.
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May 3, 2017 12:48
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I honestly felt the episode flowed really naturally. It was serious where it needed to be balanced by Jake and Amy with the kids. It was nice to see a nuanced approach presented here. Terry did the right thing and it had consequences. The consequences weren't his fault and they weren't right, but it is reality. It not only tackled racism in policing, but also the thin blue line stuff that's direct impediment to resolving that racism. That's no tall order for a half hour comedy.
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May 3, 2017 15:29
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I like that the racist cop was Joey "Hair" Quinn, moved from Miami after a notorious serial killer vanished.
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May 3, 2017 16:05
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The only thing this episode was missing is a few Holt flashbacks.
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May 3, 2017 16:37
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Mymla posted:The only thing this episode was missing is a few Holt flashbacks. I thought for a second the cop in Terry's flashback was going to be Holt.
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May 3, 2017 17:26
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If this is your definition of heavy handed then I am not sure what they could have done. As it just being a thing makes it heavy handed.
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May 3, 2017 18:49
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CharlestheHammer posted:If this is your definition of heavy handed then I am not sure what they could have done. As it just being a thing makes it heavy handed. I think in contrast with every episode of the show being goofy fun I could understand it sticking out as such a serious thing but I thought they handled it excellently. I also really liked Holt's justification for his change of tune, thinking he was doing the best thing for Terry but realizing everything he did was so that he could do things differently in the future. And I also appreciated that they tried to make it a point to say that although there's a few bad apples, like in any profession, cops are mostly good people and join because they want to help people. I guess it would be hard for them to do a "cops blow" episode since the entire premise is they're all cops but still.
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May 3, 2017 19:17
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ChesterJT posted:I think in contrast with every episode of the show being goofy fun I could understand it sticking out as such a serious thing but I thought they handled it excellently. I also really liked Holt's justification for his change of tune, thinking he was doing the best thing for Terry but realizing everything he did was so that he could do things differently in the future. And I also appreciated that they tried to make it a point to say that although there's a few bad apples, like in any profession, cops are mostly good people and join because they want to help people. I guess it would be hard for them to do a "cops blow" episode since the entire premise is they're all cops but still. This is an example of the show's irresponsibility about representing cops that frustrates me. "A few bad apples" is the exact defense police departments use to avoid changing corrupt systems that lead to cops gunning down children in the street. There is no more powerful tool for changing perceptions than television. They don't have to turn the show into a soapbox to do better on this stuff. Just having a character call out the "few bad apples" defense would have done a lot of good. Our opinions come directly from the media we consume, whether we're aware of it or not.
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May 3, 2017 19:35
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is an example of the show's irresponsibility about representing cops that frustrates me. "A few bad apples" is the exact defense police departments use to avoid changing corrupt systems that lead to cops gunning down children in the street. There is no more powerful tool for changing perceptions than television. They don't have to turn the show into a soapbox to do better on this stuff. Just having a character call out the "few bad apples" defense would have done a lot of good. Our opinions come directly from the media we consume, whether we're aware of it or not.
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May 4, 2017 01:49
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I thought Fresh Prince did episodes like this much better.
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May 4, 2017 02:10
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mossyfisk posted:I thought Fresh Prince did episodes like this much better. Fresh Prince was amazing at that, but it was set in a less cartoony world than B99. I like B99's cartooniness. As much as I think it's important to address police misconduct and as useful a tool as TV can be for that, B99's half measures do more harm than good, and I personally never needed B99 to step into the ring on that stuff anyway. I'm fine with The Pontiac Bandit. I love The Pontiac Bandit.
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May 4, 2017 02:22
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is an example of the show's irresponsibility about representing cops that frustrates me. "A few bad apples" is the exact defense police departments use to avoid changing corrupt systems that lead to cops gunning down children in the street. There is no more powerful tool for changing perceptions than television. They don't have to turn the show into a soapbox to do better on this stuff. Just having a character call out the "few bad apples" defense would have done a lot of good. Our opinions come directly from the media we consume, whether we're aware of it or not. You have demonstrated your woeful ignorance on all topics police so no need to continue. FactsAreUseless posted:I agree with this, and also I think this episode occupies a weird place because, for the show to work, you need to gloss over some of the realities of the justice system and policing (or at least that's the show they've chosen to make - you could have a much darker comedy that dealt with them). They aren't funny in a show like this. It's a comedy about a broken system in which the joke isn't that the system is broken. By having an episode that deals directly with it, you suddenly have to ask why the rest of the show doesn't. Briefly, the show's reality became our reality, and normally it's a much brighter, more cartoonish world in which an insane woman forces people to drink cement. You can't then have an episode where a character is hospitalized because of it, because then you're changing the rules of the show. B99 can't have it both ways. Either in its world it's okay when the cops go around pointing their guns at people because they want to, or it's a serious problem. Either way it's a problem when you think about the real-world implications (or aforementioned effects of how media shapes what we think). It's a comedy show. It doesn't stop them from having a serious topic now and then. I think they showed you can easily have it both ways. No offense but you both seem to have limited experience on the subject aside from the articles and news stories you read that support your own view. ChesterJT fucked around with this message at 02:54 on May 4, 2017 |
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May 4, 2017 02:50
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Lol
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May 4, 2017 04:20
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is an example of the show's irresponsibility about representing cops that frustrates me. "A few bad apples" is the exact defense police departments use to avoid changing corrupt systems that lead to cops gunning down children in the street. There is no more powerful tool for changing perceptions than television. They don't have to turn the show into a soapbox to do better on this stuff. Just having a character call out the "few bad apples" defense would have done a lot of good. Our opinions come directly from the media we consume, whether we're aware of it or not. The "few bad apples" cliche is even worse because it explicitly is not a defense - the full quote is a few bad apples spoil the barrel, which perfectly describes modern police forces and their relationship to communities. They are unintentionally highlighting the damage done by the blue wall of silence.
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May 4, 2017 05:35
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ChesterJT posted:You have demonstrated your woeful ignorance on all topics police so no need to continue. No what they are saying is correct maybe you are a bit ignorant? I mean the corrupt nature of American police and the justice system in general is well documented. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 07:28 on May 4, 2017 |
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May 4, 2017 07:24
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I did really really like Holt's speech about never having any leaders who supported him though. More than once with this show Andre Braugher has brought a tear to my eye.
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May 4, 2017 07:26
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is an example of the show's irresponsibility about representing cops that frustrates me. "A few bad apples" is the exact defense police departments use to avoid changing corrupt systems that lead to cops gunning down children in the street. There is no more powerful tool for changing perceptions than television. They don't have to turn the show into a soapbox to do better on this stuff. Just having a character call out the "few bad apples" defense would have done a lot of good. Our opinions come directly from the media we consume, whether we're aware of it or not. That's pretty much baked into the premise of having a light-hearted comedy about cops, though. You can't really make "The Shield, But With Jokes". I mean you can, but it's a very different show.
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May 4, 2017 16:07
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General Dog posted:That's pretty much baked into the premise of having a light-hearted comedy about cops, though. You can't really make "The Shield, But With Jokes". I mean you can, but it's a very different show. Exactly, which is why I'd rather they just didn't touch racial profiling, however good their intentions may have been.
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May 4, 2017 16:09
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CharlestheHammer posted:No what they are saying is correct maybe you are a bit ignorant? I mean the corrupt nature of American police and the justice system in general is well documented. And I hear high school teachers are all raping their kids too! It's a madhouse!
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May 4, 2017 16:40
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lmao
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May 4, 2017 17:09
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General Dog posted:That's pretty much baked into the premise of having a light-hearted comedy about cops, though. You can't really make "The Shield, But With Jokes". I mean you can, but it's a very different show. But they tried... I'm probably the only person who remembers that...
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Hughlander posted:But they tried... I'm probably the only person who remembers that... Oh man. How bad was it? I have to watch.
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