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Strobe posted:Of armor, let alone all the of the points on the crunchy insides. I've always loved battletech, and I play all the video games, and the card game when it was relevant lol. But I've always been warned by people to avoid the tabletop game because it is crazy complicated. Not sure how true it is
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Black_Nexus posted:I've always loved battletech, and I play all the video games, and the card game when it was relevant lol. There's a lot of rolling for each shot but you generally only play 4v4 games so it's not that bad.
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Black_Nexus posted:I've always loved battletech, and I play all the video games, and the card game when it was relevant lol. To be fair, that is literally the worst offender in the entire game, period, but it's still offensive. I love BattleTech, and am actually a Demo Agent for the company that produces it, but even then I still recommend the quick-play version over the 'real thing' because of exactly that kind of concern.
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Also isn't the Great Turtle the hardened armor one? Hardened armor doesn't have extra armor boxes, it just takes two damage rounded up to take off each box.
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May 3, 2017 03:18
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Black_Nexus posted:I've always loved battletech, and I play all the video games, and the card game when it was relevant lol. Battletech's Alpha Strike ruleset is a desperately-needed breath of fresh air and a single oasis of streamlined game design in a lonely desert scattered with relics of 80's simulationism. A bit off topic but a goon has just started an Alpha Strike scenario in his pbp thread if you're even moderately curious and, because it's play-by-post, it'll probably take a few weeks to resolve so you can follow it turn by turn at your leisure. And previous scenarios all use the original Battletech rules if you wanted to see exactly what it is your friends were warning you to stay away from: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3383329&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1867#post471887943 Strobe isn't interested in it because it's a story set in an alternate universe timeline, but even some HBS Battletech devs follow it and it's a good read at any rate.
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Xarbala posted:Battletech's Alpha Strike ruleset is a desperately-needed breath of fresh air and a single oasis of streamlined game design in a lonely desert scattered with relics of 80's simulationism. Alpha strike is cool and good.
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Texmo posted:I get the impression that random charges, combined with overwatch, are intended to make charging a gamble instead of a guaranteed thing. Should they really be such a gamble if you have to weather heavy and small arms fire for two turns beforehand?
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Xarbala posted:Battletech's Alpha Strike ruleset is a desperately-needed breath of fresh air and a single oasis of streamlined game design in a lonely desert scattered with relics of 80's simulationism. Not a miniatures game, but Rifts has to be the worst hold-over from that era in terms of being buried under the weight of rules.
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muggins posted:Should they really be such a gamble if you have to weather heavy and small arms fire for two turns beforehand? There are a LOT of units in AOS that can charge first turn, due to extra movement abilities or charge boosts. Mounted Daemonettes for example, move 14" +2d6+1 run and then also charge 2d6 So I am thinking a lot of 40k units will be able to as well.
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GreenMarine posted:Not a miniatures game, but Rifts has to be the worst hold-over from that era in terms of being buried under the weight of rules. I'm impressed(?) that Palladium and Siembieda are even still around.
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chutche2 posted:Also isn't the Great Turtle the hardened armor one? Hardened armor doesn't have extra armor boxes, it just takes two damage rounded up to take off each box. It actually doesn't round, you just cross through it once for the first point of damage, then again for the second. So the net effect is you are still tracking double the number of points. Alpha Strike is absolutely cool and good.
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Xarbala posted:Battletech's Alpha Strike ruleset is a desperately-needed breath of fresh air and a single oasis of streamlined game design in a lonely desert scattered with relics of 80's simulationism. I'll have to give it a read, looks interesting
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I have not been this excited about Warhammer in a long time. I have loved the painting and collecting, and I read a lot of the novels and stuff like that too. This is the first time in years I have been excited about actually playing a game of 40k. I havn't been this excited to march my Nids into death in over a decade probably.
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panascope posted:Counting up suddenly begins to make a lot more sense. Glad you finally admit it
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I hope wraithlords are good. I decided on Eldar and I still love the poo poo out of those models. I also found a Death Masque sitting around at work I'm going to split with someone, so yay getting all those harlequins for like 50 bucks.
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S.J. posted:I hope wraithlords are good. I decided on Eldar and I still love the poo poo out of those models. I also found a Death Masque sitting around at work I'm going to split with someone, so yay getting all those harlequins for like 50 bucks. They havnet been been bad for a long time so it's about time they sucked.
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I don't remember the last time I saw a wraithlord model actually get used in lieu of the other wraith models.
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It's just at that sweet, awkward pricing spot in that you can add a bit more and get the beast that is the Wraithknight, or settle for 5 D-strength shots of a Wraithguard unit.
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The Bee posted:From what I recall they said every vehicle is an assault vehicle now, so this should hopefully expand your range of options greatly. I look forward to rhinos Tokyo-Drifting to spew their contents out the side access doors with momentum.
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Sephyr posted:It's just at that sweet, awkward pricing spot in that you can add a bit more and get the beast that is the Wraithknight, or settle for 5 D-strength shots of a Wraithguard unit. Yep. And now with d-weapons being gone and things like dreads having 7 or 8 wounds, I'm feeling hopeful.
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Ghazk posted:I look forward to rhinos Tokyo-Drifting to spew their contents out the side access doors with momentum. Bring in trukks spewing orks directly into combat Dawn of War 3 style, I'd say.
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Miles O'Brian posted:No fuckin' way This. If Orks turn out not to suck now, I will be dangerously likely to start back up. It was still the goddamn 1990's last time I played a real game of 40k.  Sephyr posted:I'm really anxious about how charging from vehicles will work. Assuming they have distinct move ranges, it can really boost a lot of engagements. My DE might even become viable again if can, say, disembark and charge after a Raider moves 10 inches because that's its basic MOV value. If that works again, I'm back in business, because the return of the classic 'load up Trukks, drive at enemy, pile out and charge into melee' was way too fun not to be able to do it. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 07:31 on May 3, 2017 |
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S.J. posted:Yep. And now with d-weapons being gone and things like dreads having 7 or 8 wounds, I'm feeling hopeful. Mortal wounds.
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adamantium|wang posted:Mortal wounds. I at least have a (faint) hope that the smaller d-weapons like D-Scythes will be doing fairly static low numbers of mortal wounds, rather than the ridiculous LOL 2D6 WOUNDS NO SAVES DELETE YOUR ARMY you could expect to get by spamming them before. Plus I expect to see a lot of special rules that used to give cover saves (such as Jink) instead turned into negative To Hit modifiers. Doesn't matter how many saves that weapon ignores if it doesn't hit you. xtothez fucked around with this message at 11:42 on May 3, 2017 |
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I don't expect D-weapons to be gone in anything but name, knowing GW.
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Soulfucker posted:I don't expect D-weapons to be gone in anything but name, knowing GW. They could be strength 99 rather than D.
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I'm perfectly fine with D or it's equivalent so long as it's fairly distributed and balanced a bit better. The problem with it now is that it's essentially Eldar-only for shooting which was major bullshit. ITC rightfully nerfed D shooting hard but kept melee with the normal table, which really leveled things out. If everyone gets some and it's not "lol your Knight explodes in a single shot" good as it is now then okay. Having a better-than-lascannon option is fine, it's the overall implementation that's the problem.
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PierreTheMime posted:[...] it's the overall implementation that's the problem. Agreed. In other words, we're probably screwed 
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SWA Tyranid question: how do you even buy two pair of rending claws when everyone starts with a pair of scything talons. Is there a point to having a mismatched pair of rending and scything?
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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/05/white-dwarf-offers-8th-edition-date.html BoLS is thinking June 3 or 10.
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moths posted:SWA Tyranid question: how do you even buy two pair of rending claws when everyone starts with a pair of scything talons. Is there a point to having a mismatched pair of rending and scything? Tyranid weapons come in pairs, but don't count as being dual armed if you do. So if you have one set of scything talons, that's just your normal CCW. Some models can upgrade those to Rending Claws, which then gives the AP5 rending. But then, as you said, you sometimes get two pairs of scything talons, or scything talons AND rending claws. Since you now have a second CCW, that gives you on extra attack. So, like for example on Genestealers, you can pay 3 points to give them scything talons. This effectively means you pay 3 points to give them an extra attack. Used to be that having 2 pairs of scything talons let you re-roll to hit in close combat, but Cruddace thought that was too good for an NPC faction to have. Edit: I see now that you were talking just about SWA. Please retract my bitching.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/05/white-dwarf-offers-8th-edition-date.html Sooner 
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Wow, GW support is being pretty cool about the voucher thing. It is looking like they are gonna give me a voucher even though I don't have the receipt as my GW manager vouched for me purchasing it within the timeframe.
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Xarbala posted:I'm impressed(?) that Palladium and Siembieda are even still around. For some reason they have a dedicated following. I'm really not sure why.
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You know, if all vehicles become assault vehicles, I wonder if this will make Morkanauts/Gorkanauts worth taking. Also, I can't wait for Zerker Rhino rushes coming back. Shame there are no new Berserkers models.
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berzerkmonkey posted:For some reason they have a dedicated following. I'm really not sure why. They won't be around much longer, they owe around $750k worth of items to backers and preorders and don't have any of the money left to pay for it.
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jadebullet posted:You know, if all vehicles become assault vehicles, I wonder if this will make Morkanauts/Gorkanauts worth taking. Hopefully they'll come about with the inevitable World Eaters/Angron release.
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So ADB just posted the cover of Black Legion to his blog, and it looks loving badass. (I would post it here but I am phone posting so it is a pain to resist thing) Thousand Sons look loving badass in black armor. https://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/
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jadebullet posted:You know, if all vehicles become assault vehicles, I wonder if this will make Morkanauts/Gorkanauts worth taking. Well on the plus side, there's always these... https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/World-Eaters-Conversion-Set?_requestid=681105
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