|
Tom Perez B/K/M? This poll is closed. |
|||
|---|---|---|---|
| B |
|
77 | 25.50% |
| K |
|
160 | 52.98% |
| M |
|
65 | 21.52% |
| Total: | 229 votes | ||
|
shrike82 posted:Yeah it's pretty funny how half of the leftists here didn't even bother voting in the election and are beating their chests about how the Democrat party needs to listen to them. 
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 09:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 23:47 |
|
|
Condiv posted:thanks. i was glad i didn't have to vote for hillary since i don't live in a swing state didn't you know that one more vote for hillary would have made trump's presidency invalid? why'd you doom us to fascism, you garbage leftist?!? (also, on a serious note, i love people that try to shame or bully people into voting for their terrible candidate. everybody told me in 2012 that i had to vote for obama over romney to protect the supreme court. i still voted for rocky anderson in a swing state and obama still managed to lose the supreme court seat he was suppose to fill [after nominating a centrist the republicans said he'd never nominate and the public never knowing about that fact because he didn't want to rock the boat when they had a slam dunk victory ahead of them] lol forever at the situation we're in)
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 09:55
|
|
|
Again, if you didn't bother voting for Hillary in an election against an orange fascist, the Democrat party isn't for you?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 09:56
|
|
|
JeffersonClay posted:Wrong. https://theintercept.com/2017/04/06/top-democrats-are-wrong-trump-supporters-were-more-motivated-by-racism-than-economic-issues/ Also, here's new information from Democratic Party pollsters looking at Obama-Trump voters and, more importantly imo, Drop Off Voters, or people who voted Obama in 2012 but didn't vote at all in 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/01/why-did-trump-win-new-research-by-democrats-offers-a-worrisome-answer/ The link within that article to their 'research deck' is a pro-er click, imo. But it's pretty clear that for these groups of voters that lost Clinton the rustbelt states, there is more going on than just racism. Also, just lol at dismissing Thomas Frank as bernout poo poo or whatever.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 09:57
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:Again, if you didn't bother voting for Hillary in an election against an orange fascist, the Democrat party isn't for you? I didn't vote for Hillary because there is no fundamental difference between her and the republicans.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 09:59
|
|
|
That's true so join the DSA and don't bother with the Democrat party. Why moan and gnash about a party that doesn't represent you?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 09:58
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:Again, if you didn't bother voting for Hillary in an election against an orange fascist, the Democrat party isn't for you? the dem party has already been telling me it's not for me my whole life. that's why they've abandoned my state's dem party and left it to become a blood red hellzone
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:00
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:That's true so join the DSA and don't bother with the Democrat party. Are you stupid? The Democrats almost nominated the right candidate. Socialism is popular in the Democrat party.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:00
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:That's true so join the DSA and don't bother with the Democrat party. you can hold membership in both  DSA candidates run as democrats
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:01
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:The Democrat party has never been the party of group 2? Do you think the Democrat Party was founded in the 1980s or something? on the DSA: they're not their own political party, so (some) people in DSA will still be trying to change the Democratic Party from within. If your question is "why change the Democratic Party from within rather than run 3rd party," I guess we can go into the structural barriers that exist against 3rd parties in the US for the nth time.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:05
|
|
|
Hey, shrike82. Hi. Remember when you scolded leftists in this thread for lacking an appreciation and understanding of history, and then in the same breath you referenced a Presidential election that never happened? Remember that? Good times. Just thought I'd remind. Funny how you didn't skip a beat and just kept on poo poo-posting. Most people would have hid in shame for half a page at least. You have the dogged bloody-mindedness of a true centrist shitheel.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:04
|
|
|
Shrike82, I know you're trolling, I just want to know where this shitposting train is going. Leftists don't exist? Leftists enable fascists? We should all join third parties? Third parties enable fascism? I just want to see the culmination of the journey. What's your central thesis.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:05
|
|
|
That's a really weird thing to gently caress up too since he didn't run for a second elected term due to that whole thing where he got America bogged down in an Unwinnable war.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:08
|
|
|
Thanks. I'm just concerned with this white chapo trap house strain of leftism that's prioritizing issues like the white racist working class over gender and ethnic minorities. If I manage to get a couple leftists to vote for Corey Booker, that's great!
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:08
|
|
|
"Um, excuse me, I'll have you know that when Bernie Sanders faced Donald Trump in the Presidential election of 2014, he lost so badly that he had to give up his Senate seat too. And the New Deal Coalition collapsed again. I don't actually know what that is but people who talk about Democratic politics back in the day refer to that a lot, so I thought I'd mention it." - shrike82, ten years from now, probably
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:08
|
|
|
I'm really not surprised that this idiot is excited for Cory loving Booker in 2020.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:11
|
|
|
"you don't know anything about politics" says the man who voted for Jill Stein. Good one kilroy
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:13
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:I'm just concerned with this white chapo trap house strain of leftism that's prioritizing issues like the white racist working class over gender and ethnic minorities.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:11
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:"you don't know anything about politics" says the man who voted for Jill Stein.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:12
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:Thanks. I'm just concerned with this white chapo trap house strain of leftism that's prioritizing issues like the white racist working class over gender and ethnic minorities. So you've never listened to Chapo Trap House, a program that regularly talks about gender and minority issues, once in your life, cool, cool. I mean, that's fine, it's not for everyone, but you shouldn't pretend you know at all what you're talking about.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:13
|
|
|
Der Waffle Mous posted:That's a really weird thing to gently caress up too since he didn't run for a second elected term due to that whole thing where he got America bogged down in an Unwinnable war.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:14
|
|
|
ooh we've got an actual defender of chapo itt. So why do you think the white racist class should be prioritized over gender and ethnic minorities?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:16
|
|
|
Wait, are we talking about Chapo Trap House, or El Chapo, the Mexican-American who beat Obama in the 2016 election for Secretary General of the American Communist Party?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:18
|
|
|
You must be posting from an alternate universe where Jill won. What do you without vaccines mate?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:18
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:Again, if you didn't bother voting for Hillary in an election against an orange fascist, the Democrat party isn't for you? That was 2012. In 2016, I voted for Trump after voting for Bernie in the primary. If I'm going to take the blame for all the world's woes from centrist assholes like you, I'd rather do it in a world where TPP is dead and all the terrible things that happen land squarely at the feet of republicans  (not that my individual vote mattered any. trump won by over 100k in florida) (Also I live in a state with a closed primary so I have to remain a registered member. I agree that the party that gave my district Patrick Murphy after the establishment did everything in their power to smear Alan Grayson isn't for me.) shrike82 posted:Thanks. I'm just concerned with this white chapo trap house strain of leftism that's prioritizing issues like the white racist working class over gender and ethnic minorities. Thanks again for proving my point. Call Me Charlie posted:The left is divided into two groups. Call Me Charlie posted:now lets put aside all this pointless squabbling and focus on our true goal of
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:19
|
|
|
We're talking about the little-known prequel to the 2015 film Chappie, Chap-0, where a robot learns to love and also about how Nixon beat LBJ because of LBJ valuing economic concerns over racial concern or some poo poo. It's all very engaging stuff.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:21
|
|
|
Kilroy posted:Wait, are we talking about Chapo Trap House, or El Chapo, the Mexican-American who beat Obama in the 2016 election for Secretary General of the American Communist Party? I'm pretty sure we are talking about Edwin "El Chapo" Rosario who was a Puerto Rican boxer
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:20
|
|
|
I think it's pretty safe to say none of the leftists here voted for Hillary which is pretty hilarious. Charlie voted for Trump. Condiv for Sanders. Kilroy for Stein. Lmao
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:20
|
|
|
What leftists? They don't exist. If they did, Hillary wouldn't have won the Democratic nomination. It's so simple, folks!
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:22
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:You must be posting from an alternate universe where Jill won. What do you without vaccines mate?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:26
|
|
|
shrike82 just three more shitposts from you and I can reify once again in the dark timeline you call home please complete the ritual, I need to exist as more than an abstract construct - otherwise I'll have no choice but to commit voter fraud if I'm to vote for Jill Stein again in the 2ই19 Presidential election
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:31
|
|
|
I think I'm bleeding from the nose.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 10:33
|
|
|
shrike82 posted:I think it's pretty safe to say none of the leftists here voted for Hillary which is pretty hilarious. What's the point? Honestly. In the centrist's mind: - A vote for Hillary (regardless of reason) is a vote of support for Hillary Clinton's policies. - A vote for Trump is actually a vote for fascism. - A vote for a third party is a vote for Trump, which is a vote for fascism. - No vote is a vote for Trump, which is a vote for fascism. Why should I, a person that hates the Clintons and all Third Way policy, have given her my vote last November? In your mind, I'd be just as guilty if I voted third party or stayed at home. Why would it have mattered if I pulled the lever for Obama in 2012 instead of Rocky Anderson? It's not like anybody ever learns a lesson. Hillary supporters are falling over themselves to explain away her loss (nobody actually crossed the aisle, the only people that voted for trump were the normal racists that always pull the lever for the GOP! ...if all the stupid third party people would have voted for her, she would've won!! um, her platform was actually too progressive!!! yeah, that's the ticket!) and nobody cares that the youth vote for Obama dropped 6% or that a total 3.2 million people that voted for him in 2008 opted out of voting for him again in 2012. Why would they? He won! America was clamoring for his 'Grand Bargain' and austerity. Why would they give him a second term if they didn't want him to cut Social Security and Medicare? A vote for Obama was a vote of support for all that goodness.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 11:50
|
|
|
Oh my god you voted for Trump in Florida??
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 12:14
|
|
|
Harassing people about their individual votes is loving pointless. Even 2000 was decided by thousands of votes, literally 1 vote doesn't matter. It's a worse waste of time than re-litigating the primary. Like, I voted for Hillary in FL, I cancelled out his vote and he cancelled out mine, who loving cares.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 12:24
|
|
|
Democrats have been trying to shame people into voting for them for two decades. It's never going to work out as a strategy. People will vote Democratic out of fear but an insignificant amount are going to hear "you are a traitor and the real problem if you vote third party" and switch over. The people voting third party are typically already pissed off enough at the Democrats they are making the effort to vote against them so being assholes in their direction isn't going to change their opinion and probably solidifies their choice.
Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:30 on May 3, 2017 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 12:27
|
|
|
I firmly believe that voting 3rd party in a FPTP system is stupid as hell, and anyone who does it is either a moron or an rear end in a top hat or both. But it's also an inescapable fact that a lot of people are morons and assholes who will shoot themselves and others in the foot out of spite if they're not happy with a candidate rather than stop the fascists now and work to improve the party for next time around. There is just plain nothing that can be done about this, no amount of badgering or insulting or pleading will work on some fucksticks. Therefore the smart thing to do is fix the problems in the party and nominate better candidates who don't repel millions of people, that has a much better track record than trying to personally shame every single reluctant voter into turning out for the lesser evil. No amount of whining that it's the rational choice will change this, people will irrationally hurt themselves if they feel unfairly treated, so human nature being what it is: get better policies, pick better candidates. And holy lol Clinton was so offputting to everyone, not just the third-party voters, but she racked up the highest faithless elector count for a Presidential candidate in US history. Forget the random ordinary voters: 8 Electors literally hand-picked for party loyalty who had taken an oath to support the nominee refused to support her.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 13:01
|
|
|
Yeah like regardless of what you feel about third party voters, yelling at them and calling them names and saying they are responsible for Bush/Trump/whoever clearly isn't a winning strategy and needs to stop. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:06 on May 3, 2017 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 13:04
|
|
|
Yeah regardless of how stupid and spiteful he might be, the individual third-party voter has nearly zero agency in determining the final outcome of the election. On the other hand, the politicians and candidates have a huge amount of agency over the positions they hold, the record they accrue in office, their unforced errors like appearing stupidly arrogantly corrupt, etc, which can sway millions of voters!
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 13:14
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 23:47 |
|
|
I think it's a little weird you advocate for not attacking people over their vote while simultaneously calling them stupid every 3 words or so. I agree that attacking people about their individual votes doesn't help, so maybe stop attacking them in the same posts where you ask people to stop attacking them.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2017 13:36
|
|
