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Keeshhound posted:
Depends. Sometimes it completely saps him, sometimes it just doesn't power him up. Its been inconsistent for like forty years.
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Zore posted:Its been inconsistent for like forty years. This is the part I was forgetting. Comics! 
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May 3, 2017 15:24
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Why don't they have a backup plan anyway? Something like, if power fails then the room gets flooded with kryptonite gas?
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May 3, 2017 15:29
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I would think a completely dark room would do just as good a job. But yeah, forty years...
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May 3, 2017 15:33
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Mikl posted:Why don't they have a backup plan anyway? Something like, if power fails then the room gets flooded with kryptonite gas? Was Dictator Superman thorough enough to destroy his world's supply of Kryptonite?
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May 3, 2017 15:33
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Mikl posted:Why don't they have a backup plan anyway? Something like, if power fails then the room gets flooded with kryptonite gas? The same reason why they let a psychopathic Superman, who was only defeated by non-psychopathic Superman from another dimension, live instead of jamming a kryptonite dagger into his brain. Comic books.
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May 3, 2017 15:33
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Not directly related, but I still think it's funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgDSgxT0lk 
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May 3, 2017 15:35
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redbackground posted:Was Dictator Superman thorough enough to destroy his world's supply of Kryptonite? Yes, actually, which is why they had to go recruit Hawkman who had an extraterrestrial supply of it.
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May 3, 2017 16:11
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KaosMachina posted:Yes, actually, which is why they had to go recruit Hawkman who had an extraterrestrial supply of it. That's one way to make Hawkman relevant I guess.
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May 3, 2017 16:15
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Considering in Injustice there are mass-produced pills that let you be temporarily as strong as Superman I'm still not sure how or why he's as big a deal as he is. Like Alfred kicks his rear end at one point in the original Injustice run.
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May 3, 2017 16:16
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Zore posted:Considering in Injustice there are mass-produced pills that let you be temporarily as strong as Superman I'm still not sure how or why he's as big a deal as he is. Yeah, but then Dictator Superman had Alfred murdered after making sure he was alone.
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May 3, 2017 16:16
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Superman still has the other powers like heat vision and freeze breath and X-ray vision to make him a threat to other schmucks on pills.
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May 3, 2017 16:20
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Also Marvel jobs out to Superman like a wuss for whatever reason.
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May 3, 2017 16:32
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prefect posted:I would think a completely dark room would do just as good a job. But yeah, forty years... I'm assuming they're going with the "red sunlight saps his powers" interpretation here, not the "red sunlight just doesn't recharge him" version.
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May 3, 2017 16:36
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Pureauthor posted:Also Marvel jobs out to Superman like a wuss for whatever reason. The answer to that is 'because he did that in the video game'. Honestly the answer to most of the really bad decisions in Ground Zero are 'this is how it happened in the video game'.
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May 3, 2017 16:52
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Keeshhound posted:
Yeah, but Superman. (This is the DC Comics equivalent of "a wizard did it," excepting of course those instances in which an actual wizard did, in fact, do it.)
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May 3, 2017 16:59
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ecavalli posted:Yeah, but Superman. Actually, I guess that's the next  question; why didn't they get Zatana or one of the 3rd string magicians the league has stuffed in their broom closet to enchant his cuffs?"Whenever you see something like that... Superman did it." "But he was-" "Superman."
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May 3, 2017 17:08
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Keeshhound posted:Actually, I guess that's the next As far as that goes, why not have Dr. Fate imprison him in the tower?
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But then Batman couldn't glower at him through a huge glass enclosure.
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Zore posted:Considering in Injustice there are mass-produced pills that let you be temporarily as strong as Superman I'm still not sure how or why he's as big a deal as he is. It's really more like as strong as Superboy, the 90s one. Superman is still portrayed both in-game and in the comics as horrifyingly powerful compared to pretty much everyone but Doomsday. And as fun as Alfred kicking Superman's rear end was, that was an incredibly weakened Superman who'd basically had the equivalent of a couple atomic bombs go off in his face just minutes before.
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Keeshhound posted:Actually, I guess that's the next
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Nessus posted:Maybe Zatanna got killed offscreen or something? Zatanna kind of has the Doctor Strange problem, just in a sexier way. Depending on how things pan out in Injustice 2, she was last seen keeping prisoners contained in the Tower of Fate.
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On the subject of "Magic is always able to handwave better than science, because gently caress you". Has there ever been some explicitly scientific Hero/Villain/Etc who just no-sells magic, and when people demand answers they just throw it back in their face saying "Why don't YOU explain why Magic is supposed to work on me?" You know, without it later being revealed it was actually magic the whole time, or New Gods technology is basically magic with Jack Kirby sensibilities, etc. I know it's the nature of the beast, but I just miss SCIENCE getting as much as a pass as wizards in just shrugging and saying "It's loving Flash Gordon poo poo, you know?" rather than trying to rationalize Supermans' strength by way of "Well it must clearly be some form of telekinetic ability to compensate for- "Meanwhile, off to the side you've got people asking why Zatana didn't just talk backwards their problem away because gently caress it, people save all their scrutiny for pretend science. Section Z fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 3, 2017 |
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Section Z posted:On the subject of "Magic is always able to handwave better than science, because gently caress you". Has there ever been some explicitly scientific Hero/Villain/Etc who just no-sells magic, and when people demand answers they just throw it back in their face saying "Why don't YOU explain why Magic is supposed to work on me?" The reason Zatanna can't just magically fix all problems is because she has to continue to concentrate on whatever spell she just cast if it's effect is supposed to be maintained. At least, in the Injustice comics that's how she works. Batman asked her why she couldn't heal some injury for him during Year 2 and she said that as soon as she took her focus off of that he'd be back to being crippled, so he needs to get repaired/healed "normally".
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Section Z posted:On the subject of "Magic is always able to handwave better than science, because gently caress you". Has there ever been some explicitly scientific Hero/Villain/Etc who just no-sells magic, and when people demand answers they just throw it back in their face saying "Why don't YOU explain why Magic is supposed to work on me?" I'd love to see arcanum rules make a comeback. Science is using the laws of nature to achieve an end, and magic is using willpower to subvert those laws, so a strong enough mage makes smartphones crash just by being in their presence, and complex enough tech makes fireballs fizzle.
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Keeshhound posted:I'd love to see arcanum rules make a comeback. While from a game balance end, Magic still came out far ahead in perks and minimal drawbacks compared to Tech (Oh I guess the magic user has to teleport across the planet to get around the fact he's not allowed to ride the train, so sad), Arcanum had my favorite payoff of of taking that cliche about "magic breaks digital watches just for existing  " around on you at the end The machine made to break the generic magical plot seal countless kidnapped dwarves had been worked to death to build, was just the worlds largest do gently caress-all Rube Goldberg machine. Which was very cathartic, given how many fireball burns I still had despite no longer being allowed the luxury of magical healing because my lockpicking and trap disarming was too high. Which puts it way ahead of most Magic+Science settings that are supposedly about them co-existing. Otherwise Magic seems to always be the actually important thing in the main plot beats, and probably still need to rely on magic to deal with "wizard problems" no matter how sweet you cybernetics are (See: Shadowrun). Section Z fucked around with this message at 19:35 on May 3, 2017 |
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Section Z posted:While from a game balance end, Magic still came out far ahead in perks and minimal drawbacks compared to Tech (Oh I guess the magic user has to teleport across the planet to get around the fact he's not allowed to ride the train, so sad), Arcanum had my favorite payoff of of taking that cliche about "magic breaks digital watches just for existing What the gently caress are you talking about
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May 3, 2017 19:53
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That wizards ruin everything
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Taerkar posted:That wizards ruin everything Did a wizard type that post because if so I agree
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purple death ray posted:What the gently caress are you talking about Arcanum was an early 2000s CRPG; I laid out the central conceit already. Instead of the standard "magic fucks up tech because it's so special," they put the two in opposition, and wherever one was stronger it would nullify the other. Mages had to ride the last car of a train so they wouldn't make the engine explode (which they used for a pretty good riff on the TSA), but at the same time, a guy in steampunk power armor would nullify any magic cast at them, including healing magic. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 3, 2017 |
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Keeshhound posted:Arcanum was an early 2000s CRPG; I laid out the central conceit already. Instead of the standard "magic fucks up tech because it's so special," they put the two in opposition, and wherever one was stronger it would nullify the other. Mages had to ride the last car of a train so they wouldn't make the engine explode (which they used for a pretty good riff on the TSA), but at the same time, a guy in steampunk power armor would nullify any magic cast at them, including healing magic. This sort of logic is at work in several properties. Dresden Files, for example. To a lesser extent, Shadowrun. Off the top of my head. TV Tropes I'm sure can get you the full deets.
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dont even fink about it posted:This sort of logic is at work in several properties. Dresden Files, for example. To a lesser extent, Shadowrun. Off the top of my head. It's usually only one-way though. Magic fucks up tech in Dresden Files, but Tech does not gently caress up Magic.
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May 3, 2017 20:42
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Tech definitely fucks up magic in Shadowrun.
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dont even fink about it posted:This sort of logic is at work in several properties. Dresden Files, for example. To a lesser extent, Shadowrun. Off the top of my head. Dresden Files is kind of amusing in this regard because the level of interference is basically arbitrarily set to enable Dresden to work like a noir gumshoe, so he can roll around in his classic car with a revolver and get ominous phone calls.
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Ashcans posted:Dresden Files is kind of amusing in this regard because the level of interference is basically arbitrarily set to enable Dresden to work like a noir gumshoe, so he can roll around in his classic car with a revolver and get ominous phone calls. It's actually been mentioned that the level of interference is actually set to the wizard and that ones younger than Harry can use more at least slightly advanced technology, and significantly older ones can't even use a landline or drive a car with an electric starter.
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And similarly, while cybernetics will screw up your ability to do magic in shadowrun, a particularly strong magical creature won't shut down your cyberarm, either. Just to extend the example to an extreme, yes a PC mage has to ride the last car of the train (or gets barred from it entirely) but an early quest sees you hired by a gnome mage in a backwater town to destroy the local steam engine, because it's presence is strengthening the laws of to nature so much that he can't overcome them with his meagre willpower, and his business is suffering.
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Keeshhound posted:Just to extend the example to an extreme, yes a PC mage has to ride the last car of the train (or gets barred from it entirely) but an early quest sees you hired by a gnome mage in a backwater town to destroy the local steam engine, because it's presence is strengthening the laws of to nature so much that he can't overcome them with his meagre willpower, and his business is suffering. 
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Am I even in BSS right now? What is happening to reality
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purple death ray posted:Am I even in BSS right now? What is happening to reality We are in the lovely Framework world where Donald Trump won the election. Anything goes at this point.
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purple death ray posted:Am I even in BSS right now? What is happening to reality If I'm reading things right, a sufficiently powerful magical lasso can do things like make a very high-tech fighter jet invisible. I think? Sure.
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