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Capitalism is one grand failure for everyone involved. Given that the rich are so miserable, one has to wonder why the gently caress they don't do something to change the system - they certainly hold all the cards needed to make it happen. Greed is a hell of a drug I guess. And not even one of the fun ones.
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Pochoclo posted:Capitalism is one grand failure for everyone involved. Given that the rich are so miserable, one has to wonder why the gently caress they don't do something to change the system - they certainly hold all the cards needed to make it happen. Could they know that money doesn't make you happy, but no money certainly can make you miserable? And they're scared that if they don't cling onto the former category, they risk ending up in the latter? Or am I endowing the rich with too much introspection?
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May 3, 2017 18:23
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Bobstar posted:Could they know that money doesn't make you happy, but no money certainly can make you miserable? And they're scared that if they don't cling onto the former category, they risk ending up in the latter? Nah, they know the next million will be the one that makes them feel successful.
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May 3, 2017 18:39
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Guardian has more on John Woodcock.The Guardian posted:“There was a motion not to endorse him, but almost everyone else voted against,” one source close to the committee said. “It had no support. Other MPs have run anti-Gordon Brown campaigns in the past, it’s what happens sometimes. The difference between this and the past is probably that MPs running 'anti Gordon Brown' campaigns haven't been on the national news and in every newspaper repeatedly throughout the election campaign. No surprise Watson and Dugdale made a special effort to keep him though. You can already tell they care nothing about this election and everything about taking back control of the party afterwards. jabby fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 18:46
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Pissflaps posted:I think that as time goes on the 'divorce bill' will morph into an amount of money we contribute on an ongoing basis to the EU in return for some of the benefits of membership. Another great Pissflaps prediction given the conciliatory Theresa May has decided to adopt today.
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May 3, 2017 19:00
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jabby posted:John Woodcock has been reselected by the NEC to represent Labour. A man who has said in the event of a Labour majority of one he would withdraw his support from the party and prevent them forming a government because he doesn't want Corbyn to be Prime Minister. Sounds like the idea of Corbyn supporters being able to deselect MPs they don't like was as realistic as Corbyn becoming PM. Lord of the Llamas posted:Another great Pissflaps prediction given the conciliatory Theresa May has decided to adopt today. Nothing said today has changed my opinion.
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Looke posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmwqEg-06Ww Labour was better back then.
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May 3, 2017 19:16
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Pissflaps posted:Sounds like the idea of Corbyn supporters being able to deselect MPs they don't like was as realistic as Corbyn becoming PM. All decisions at the moment are being taken by the NEC rather than by members, so no surprise there.
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May 3, 2017 19:20
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Pissflaps posted:Sounds like the idea of Corbyn supporters being able to deselect MPs they don't like was as realistic as Corbyn becoming PM. Is that all you've got? Do YOU have a problem with Corbyn other than his inability to "win"? Are you like Blair and this guy and think that Corbyn winning would be a bad thing? Because if not why do you have nothing to say about these idiots trying to sabotage their own party?
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May 3, 2017 19:32
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Because he's a tit and your life will be improved if you put him on ignore.
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May 3, 2017 19:35
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OwlFancier posted:Because he's a tit and your life will be improved if you put him on ignore. Why any of you respond to him or that other tit is beyond me
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May 3, 2017 19:37
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Regarde Aduck posted:Is that all you've got? Do YOU have a problem with Corbyn other than his inability to "win"? Don't think I've been shy about describing my problem with Corbyn: he ensures continued Tory government. He is taking the Labour Party further and further away from government. This doesn't matter to him or his supporters. Serotonin posted:Why any of you respond to him or that other tit is beyond me Post that tom hanks picture about it.
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So the Tories are getting upset at EU citizens' non-EU spouses againquote:May expected to challenge right of EU citizens to bring family to Britain Link Of all the Tory shouting boxes, this one pisses me off the most. It's just spiteful. For UK and EU people. It serves no purpose other than to tick a box for the screaming tabloids. And the bolded part, hmm if only there had been a way of equalising that in your power, you latex faced referendum calling Toryman 
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Serotonin posted:Why any of you respond to him or that other tit is beyond me You're gonna have to be more specific than that; there's plenty of prize idiots in this thread.
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May 3, 2017 20:04
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OwlFancier posted:Because he's a tit and your life will be improved if you put him on ignore. I'm heading this way. At the moment I just read all his posts with a "dumb blonde" upward inflection at the end of each line. Entertaining enough for now. https://youtu.be/tqNhEzrWQpY
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Bobstar posted:So the Tories are getting upset at EU citizens' non-EU spouses again Pissflaps posted:Post that tom hanks picture about it. 
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May 3, 2017 20:09
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That study says nothing new; its long been known that you gotta keep up with the Joneses rather than being absolutely wealthy to be happy
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May 3, 2017 20:22
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Guavanaut posted:Is this even a major thing that happens? And what is supposedly happening after? An EU person marries a not EU person and moves to the UK, then... And don't speak English to each other I guess? Which reminds me, I seem to remember a brief panic when some newspaper "found out" about South American people sometimes being able to get EU passports via grandparents (Pochoclo confirm/deny I'm getting this right?), and the entire continent would be moving here any day.
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May 3, 2017 20:25
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Malcolm XML posted:That study says nothing new; its long been known that you gotta keep up with the Joneses rather than being absolutely wealthy to be happy Yeah but anyone claiming a sort of utilitarian approach to social organisation should immediately start using it as evidence that private wealth should be taxed massively and distributed to the poor as it makes the poor materially better off, it makes the middle classes relatively better off compared to the rich and only the very small number of very rich see no benefit at all. So it has to be effectively ignored until a sociologist or journalist writes something about it and then it's treated as a great surprise and then ignored again.
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Malcolm XML posted:That study says nothing new; its long been known that you gotta keep up with the Joneses rather than being absolutely wealthy to be happy I wonder if that explains the uptick in constant switching between different types of new age woo among the upper-middle classes. The search for contentedness commodified as a goal seeking activity. ^^^ That too. Bobstar posted:Which reminds me, I seem to remember a brief panic when some newspaper "found out" about South American people sometimes being able to get EU passports via grandparents (Pochoclo confirm/deny I'm getting this right?), and the entire continent would be moving here any day.
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May 3, 2017 20:35
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Council election chat: I've had one leaflet through, and it's from the Tory fella who's almost certainly going to retain his position anyway. Effort.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Guavanaut posted:Were they equally outraged about half of Boston moving here because some number of Irish people there would be entitled to a passport?
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HJB posted:Council election chat: I've had one leaflet through, and it's from the Tory fella who's almost certainly going to retain his position anyway. Effort.  about the Tory candidate.
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May 3, 2017 20:45
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JFairfax posted:I don't know if any of you have tried to close a 'deal' as a business person, but let me tell you if one party thinks the sum should be £0, zero, zilch nothing and the other party believes it should be £XX,000 or higher then it's very difficult to meet in the middle. MikeCrotch posted:This should be put up as the ultimate indictment of capitalism, in that the bourgeois suck all the capital out of society and are sitting at the top of hierarchy yet they're still loving miserable. Also: New 'indestructible' £1 coins are 'melting' and some centre pieces have dropped out quote:Despite being called 'indestructible', the new £1 coins are reportedly seeing a series of unusual flaws which left one being released without a centre piece.  Something something strong and stable economy.
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May 3, 2017 20:46
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They got all that press equipment set up for the poly notes but nooo, let's have a 12-sided bimetallic holographic coin instead. With a secret security feature. The secret security feature is that the middle falls out and you can't spend it.
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Bobstar posted:And don't speak English to each other I guess? Yeah, I don't know all the details, but my brother-in-law is Chilean, but he's descended from Spanish Jews and went through the rigamarole of proving that so he could get the benefits of being an EU citizen. He & my sister were able to live in Dublin together before he could claim Spanish citizenship, but I think they are planning on moving back to Scotland at some point soon now she's finished her Masters there. And then Brexit happened so ho boy. But yeah, they had to make more than one trip to Spain with a bunch of documents, but he's a Spanish citizen now despite having never lived there, which was cool. Honestly, the idea you can't live & work with your spouse in the country you were born in is hosed up. I always hated the anti-immigrant citizen, but seeing how it directly impacted my family (dude is a loving qualified architect or something like that, he's not going to be stealing a job from a Brit or however the idiots like to put it) sure brought home the shittiness a lot more clearly. Borders are trash.
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Bobstar posted:Which reminds me, I seem to remember a brief panic when some newspaper "found out" about South American people sometimes being able to get EU passports via grandparents (Pochoclo confirm/deny I'm getting this right?), and the entire continent would be moving here any day. Brief panic? "Found out"? This has been going on for many decades, it's not some weird trick we don't want you to know. The country where this happens the most is incidentally Argentina because of how many people there are second/third generation Spanish/Italian (the foremost sources of immigration Argentina had for a long, long time). It is quite easy if you have Spanish/Italian ancestry, but somehow the entire country doesn't just leave. I mean, take me for example, I got the dual citizenship, yes, I came here, but I have siblings who didn't and are not interested at all, and I know pleeeeenty of people who just got the EU passport for "easier tourism". It also takes quite a bit of money for the plane trip and accomodation and surviving until you find a job. Argentina is not a complete hellhole, so mostly you get single ambitious professionals who get high paid jobs and pay high taxes.
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I'm from Israel and applying for Portuguese citizenship! Same Spanish Jew business. This was gonna be my way to stay here with my partner, but Brexit's kinda loving it up. I'm not a trained architect but I want to work for charity orgs so hopefully you'll still have me, fellas.
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, I don't know all the details, but my brother-in-law is Chilean, but he's descended from Spanish Jews and went through the rigamarole of proving that so he could get the benefits of being an EU citizen. He & my sister were able to live in Dublin together before he could claim Spanish citizenship, but I think they are planning on moving back to Scotland at some point soon now she's finished her Masters there. And then Brexit happened so ho boy. That's the one. Some of my Venezuelan friends have done it, made touring around Europe easier, compared to the ones who don't (one drummer, after questioning at the UK border about his secret plans to abandon the 2 day tour and abscond in the UK, ended up telling them he didn't want to live in this rainy country and wanted to go back to Caracas). forkboy84 posted:Honestly, the idea you can't live & work with your spouse in the country you were born in is hosed up. I always hated the anti-immigrant citizen, but seeing how it directly impacted my family (dude is a loving qualified architect or something like that, he's not going to be stealing a job from a Brit or however the idiots like to put it) sure brought home the shittiness a lot more clearly. Borders are trash. Yeah, this. I wasn't a massively a naive child, I knew politics was a thing and that the world wasn't all rosy and wonderful, but I always kind of assumed that every country allowed you to marry and live with someone from anywhere in the world.
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Pochoclo posted:Brief panic? "Found out"? This has been going on for many decades, it's not some weird trick we don't want you to know. The country where this happens the most is incidentally Argentina because of how many people there are second/third generation Spanish/Italian (the foremost sources of immigration Argentina had for a long, long time). Yes, I meant found out in the tabloid sense, as in decided to use that day's anger target. Similar to when the Sun (I think) "found out" about the type of school I went to
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Guavanaut posted:Is this even a major thing that happens? And what is supposedly happening after? An EU person marries a not EU person and moves to the UK, then... The problem is that British citizens need to meet a minimum income threshold of £18,600 a year in order for their non-EU spouses to be allowed to join them. EU citizens moving to Britain on the other hand do not have that requirement thanks to a ruling by the ECJ, which in the Carpenter ruling created a right to family life as part of the free movement rights. So it's more difficult for Brits staying in Britain to bring a non-EU spouse into the country than it is for EU immigrants. This is likely to be yet another point of contention in the Brexit negotiations since the EU very much wants its citizens living in Britain to keep those rights, and May, well, you know....
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Bobstar posted:Yes, I meant found out in the tabloid sense, as in decided to use that day's anger target. Oh I know it was some Mail/Sun bullshit, the questions were just rhetorical. But yeah I have like the worst timing possible, I finally decide to move here and lol Brexit.
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Pochoclo posted:Oh I know it was some Mail/Sun bullshit, the questions were just rhetorical. Ah yes  I feel you, "I finally decided to move and then lol Brexit" buddy
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Guavanaut posted:Is this even a major thing that happens? And what is supposedly happening after? An EU person marries a not EU person and moves to the UK, then... Johnny European might not have the same thorough screening policy as great Britain before granting residency to non-EU nationals thus opening us up to backdoor sham marriages to circumvent our tough on the causes of browns policy!
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Pluskut Tukker posted:The problem is that British citizens need to meet a minimum income threshold of £18,600 a year in order for their non-EU spouses to be allowed to join them. EU citizens moving to Britain on the other hand do not have that requirement thanks to a ruling by the ECJ, which in the Carpenter ruling created a right to family life as part of the free movement rights. So it's more difficult for Brits staying in Britain to bring a non-EU spouse into the country than it is for EU immigrants. This is likely to be yet another point of contention in the Brexit negotiations since the EU very much wants its citizens living in Britain to keep those rights, and May, well, you know.... There's a loving easy solution to this unfairness, which is to allow non-EU spouses to have exactly the same rights as EU spouses, but this country is racing to the bottom so nah, out the window.
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forkboy84 posted:There's a loving easy solution to this unfairness, which is to allow non-EU spouses to have exactly the same rights as EU spouses This is, in fact, May's plan!  be careful what you wish for...
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LemonDrizzle posted:This is, in fact, May's plan! Well yes, clearly I meant "treat them all humanely" rather than "treat them as animals unless they are rich". Remember when Theresa May campaigned to remain in the EU? Fun times.
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forkboy84 posted:There's a loving easy solution to this unfairness, which is to allow non-EU spouses to have exactly the same rights as EU spouses, but this country is racing to the bottom so nah, out the window. That would be a great solution. Also, the EU now trusts Britain and the Home Office so little on dealing fairly with its immigrant EU residents that it apparently wants their rights after Brexit to continue to be enforceable by the European Court of Justice.
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