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the only place ive really noticed xenuria is in elysium before he was banned(god bless cap), dont get what the big deal is.
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May 3, 2017 06:12
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His time there left a pretty big mark.
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May 3, 2017 06:18
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dragonshardz posted:Searbhreathach. I think he managed to find his way into Goku at some point and dick about whining at us. Stunt has never had problems "Fitting in" when he's been a member. His problem is wherever goons are housed is honestly some of the best hunting grounds in eve because we actually use our space, and goons naturally compound that by being whiny as poo poo whenever killed by an ex blue. Note that when I'm saying goons here I'm being inclusive and saying"Goons and all the trash we surround ourselves with." The kind of people that get shocked and offended when Mandozer does Mandozer things instead of grabbing a beer and watching all the directors who made the same mistake two times ago queuing up to yell "Not my fault this time." Honestly it's a service if you think about it. We should drag him in yearly.
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May 3, 2017 06:45
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He wouldnt take you up on it probably tbh, the griefing potential is outweighed by having to deal with the terrible shitters in the imperium without stabbing them in the face.
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May 3, 2017 07:06
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i love all the people whining about the removal of passive moon mining even better are the folks who don't seem to be able to conceive of an alliance funding source outside of moons, and are expecting their alliance to gang-press them into mining everything about refineries is amazing and ccp can't bring them into the game sooner
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May 3, 2017 12:37
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I played this game for like, all of two weeks about ten years ago with goons but someone was always yelling some horseshit and taking things too seriously for me to casually play this space drama creator. How up to date is the stuff on the OP -- should I use it as a guide or nah?
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May 3, 2017 13:40
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:i love all the people whining about the removal of passive moon mining I'm not a big fan of it. I also don't mine any moons, but I think it's a stupid idea. Moons are the #1 source for passive alliance income. It will also gently caress over the people doing reactions - I also don't do that. But, still...
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May 3, 2017 14:01
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Glenn Quebec posted:How up to date is the stuff on the OP -- should I use it as a guide or nah? It's up to date. Valar Morghulis posted:I'm not a big fan of it. I also don't mine any moons, but I think it's a stupid idea. Moons are the #1 source for passive alliance income. Passive alliance-level income must be eradicated for Eve to thrive. Reactors are going to see a tightening of margins, but also lowering of costs. An unlimited number of people can use a single reactor facility, barring system cost indexes making it impractical.
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May 3, 2017 14:26
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I wish there were a limited number of factory and refinery slots. Want more capacity? Build more structures. Unlimited makes for uninterdictable local production. The number of slots could even be high. Infinite is just dumb though.
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May 3, 2017 14:33
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Ynglaur posted:I wish there were a limited number of factory and refinery slots. Want more capacity? Build more structures. Unlimited makes for uninterdictable local production. The number of slots could even be high. Infinite is just dumb though. Used to be limited and it pretty much sucked
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May 3, 2017 14:46
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Used to be limited and it pretty much sucked That's because you could only build one station per system and it cost 100 billion ISK.
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May 3, 2017 14:48
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Ynglaur posted:I wish there were a limited number of factory and refinery slots. Want more capacity? Build more structures. Unlimited makes for uninterdictable local production. The number of slots could even be high. Infinite is just dumb though. You want to be able to interdict your own slots?  There's already a soft cap on the number of industry jobs you can put in a system.
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May 3, 2017 14:53
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:You want to be able to interdict your own slots? No. Enemies can't effectively reduce the industrial capacity of a foe because one structure has unlimited capacity. The soft cap affects price, not actual capacity. I like logarithmic effects and all, but logarithmic manufacturing costs aren't really a limit.
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May 3, 2017 15:01
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Ynglaur posted:No. Enemies can't effectively reduce the industrial capacity of a foe because one structure has unlimited capacity. They can't effectively reduce the industrial capacity of a structure they can't access, regardless of limited vs unlimited slots.
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May 3, 2017 15:21
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How'd the blood raider mass test go yesterday?
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May 3, 2017 16:27
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:i love all the people whining about the removal of passive moon mining Passive income has got to go, but they need to find a way to make active income more interesting than watching paint dry. No game should make you consider doing household chore as a better, more interesting/entertaining activity.
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May 3, 2017 16:32
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Reverand maynard posted:nah eve's pariah is searinthebreach or whatever the gently caress that irish fucker spells it yeah who is this guy? he's apped to every PL corp multiple times, and has never gotten in
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May 3, 2017 17:34
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The CSM voting data got released. Some highlights: * Our #3, Sullen Decimus, gets eliminated with a 76 vote margin. Then, in the very next round, The Judge is elected on a CO2 ticket that would have granted significant spillover to Sullen if he hadn't been eliminated. * Bobmon gets a mere 127 first-ticket votes, down from 500+ last year. Not only does this put him at a quarter of the first-ticket votes that Xenuria managed to garner, but shows just how cheap a CSM seat can be when A) there's 14 seats and not 10, and 2) you have a wealthy casino rigging the vote a little. * Pandemic Horde engages in Mutually Assured Destruction with DARKNESSdot. Brave Newbie's candidate, Yukiko Animename, starts out the running with a fairly anemic 793 votes, which is far below Pandemic Horde's Kalbuir Skirate (1326.) However, as fringe candidates are eliminated, Animename appears to have been everyone's #2, and in the second-to-last round he or she narrowly dodges being eliminated by 61 votes, and phorde's candidate is axed instead. Kalbuir's votes are largely straight phorde ticket, which has Animename as their #2, and Sort Dragon as their #3. This causes a thousand votes to spill over to Animename, catapulting him or her 900 votes above Sort Dragon. This causes Sort to be eliminated in the last round, and Animename barely survives, leaving a CSM with neither phorde nor DARKNESSdot represented.
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May 3, 2017 18:12
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:They can't effectively reduce the industrial capacity of a structure they can't access, regardless of limited vs unlimited slots. If they destroy it they could. CCP could even do things like make reinforced structures lose active slots or something. Farms and fields and all that. E.g. Let's say you have 10 structures in a system with 50 slots each, for a total of 500 slots. ~wulfpax~ could roam in, reinforce a few, and reduce the number of active production slots to 400, cutting production capacity by 20%. I don't think such a thing would be a killer feature or anything, but more ways for players to interact is usually a good thing.
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May 3, 2017 18:19
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Ynglaur posted:If they destroy it they could. CCP could even do things like make reinforced structures lose active slots or something. Farms and fields and all that. Pushing a structure into hull RF shuts off all its service modules, including industry, so this is already possible.
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May 3, 2017 18:26
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:This causes Sort to be eliminated in the last round, and Animename barely survives, leaving a CSM with neither phorde nor DARKNESSdot represented. In the end, the system works 
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May 3, 2017 18:29
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Lack of Gravitas posted:In the end, the system works Not only that, but it's my understanding now that the margin that Animename needed to push over the phorde candidate may very well have come from us. 
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May 3, 2017 18:32
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Landsknecht posted:yeah who is this guy? he's apped to every PL corp multiple times, and has never gotten in I honestly have no idea what his problem is other than he thinks he's the best pvp player of all time. there is something wrong with the guy either mentally or just a loving homeschooled weirdo who was locked in the basement and never developed social skills PookBear fucked around with this message at 19:09 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 19:05
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Reverand maynard posted:I honestly have no idea what his problem is other than he thinks he's the best pvp player of all time. 
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May 3, 2017 19:13
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I mean like even by eve standards
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Reverand maynard posted:I mean like even by eve standards 
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May 3, 2017 20:39
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Rhymenoserous posted:Stunt has never had problems "Fitting in" when he's been a member. His problem is wherever goons are housed is honestly some of the best hunting grounds in eve because we actually use our space, and goons naturally compound that by being whiny as poo poo whenever killed by an ex blue. Stunt was, from my observations, pretty well liked but he did the usual thing that players with vanity corps in GSF seem to do - disappeared for a while then expected an open-armed return when he mustered the  to log his rear end back in. He also continually bitched at Mittani, later Ted, for some pretty big influxes of cash that (even with his skill hazing peeps in the North) never really saw much return, based on what I saw. He's also just one of those guys who stands out as weird against the background oddities of goons in general. Landsknecht posted:yeah who is this guy? he's apped to every PL corp multiple times, and has never gotten in Reverand maynard posted:I honestly have no idea what his problem is other than he thinks he's the best pvp player of all time. Basically, yeah, he thinks he's the hottest ~~elite peeveepee~~ EVE player to ever grace the server. Admittedly, he is pretty good, but he's also an incorrigible rear end in a top hat and has a penchant for theft that makes Scooter look honest. Gwyneth Palpate posted:Pushing a structure into hull RF shuts off all its service modules, including industry, so this is already possible. Yes, and this only takes two 24-hour reinforcement timers to accomplish. Not that I'd want the other extreme of endless harassment a la FozzieSov and station services, but a middle of the road option could open up some interesting gameplay.
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May 3, 2017 21:19
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dragonshardz posted:Yes, and this only takes two 24-hour reinforcement timers to accomplish. Not that I'd want the other extreme of endless harassment a la FozzieSov and station services, but a middle of the road option could open up some interesting gameplay. it takes one shoot thing, come back in 24h, shoot it again, now services are offline it ain't like pos where shoot thing = builds paused but at least this way the defenders have a chance to stop the pausing
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I don't think Pooki has ever said he's gods gift to PVP, he's just less bad than most of goonswarm. dragonshardz posted:Stunt was, from my observations, pretty well liked but he did the usual thing that players with vanity corps in GSF seem to do - disappeared for a while then expected an open-armed return when he mustered the Stunt's gimmicks were close enough to my own that I inherently understood everything he was doing, but wasn't particularly impressed with it. Solo hunting for soft targets isn't really as morale damaging as what an invigorated blops group can do. I don't know why he needed vast influxes of cash unless he was reimbursing a LOT of poorly flown expensive gimmick ships. Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 3, 2017 |
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Rhymenoserous posted:I don't think Pooki has ever said he's gods gift to PVP, he's just less bad than most of goonswarm. There were two sentences. If not one, perhaps the other?!
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May 3, 2017 21:40
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:i love all the people whining about the removal of passive moon mining ..but now I'll actually have to play this dead dumb game if I want to make ISK. Rhymenoserous posted:Stunt's gimmicks were close enough to my own that I inherently understood everything he was doing, but wasn't particularly impressed with it. Solo hunting for soft targets isn't really as morale damaging as what an invigorated blops group can do. I don't know why he needed vast influxes of cash unless he was reimbursing a LOT of poorly flown expensive gimmick ships. I mean, he was trying to teach goons how to solo PvP in ships more expensive than frigates. I can see how that would get expensive fast.
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frozenphil posted:I mean, he was trying to teach goons how to solo PvP in ships more expensive than frigates. I can see how that would get expensive fast. The man was teaching goons how to orbit at 15 in an Astero, and kill worthless (replaceable) ratting cruisers. He wasn't Edward loving Teller working on a Goonhattan Project... Although in light of Mitten's laudations along with Stunt's celebratory welcome to GSF, I guess you could forgive some people for expecting something strategic/fun/cost-effective. Gwyneth Palpate posted:Passive alliance-level income must be eradicated for Eve to thrive. Passive income makes it sound like there are no barriers to entry and it's a fire-and-forget ISK printing situation, which isn't necessarily the case. That being said, they've only gone so far as to replace the passive process with an active one. Probably the greatest amount of change is going to derive from the way alliances choose to handle the change from passive to active processes. What sort of ownership right is conveyed to a person who just mines the goo, as opposed to the guy who shelled out for the station and the fuel and whatever else you need to blow up part of a moon? Yes, there are people who do crazy amounts of organization-level work for basically no reward, but actually undocking and going out to suck that r64 moon rock is labor (the same way ratting or mining are). So do you salary people to suck moon goo? Do you let them keep the fruits of their labor and buy it from them with a buyback or market orders? Do people willing to do the work get rewarded in other ways? Even if GSF settles on a very straightforward policy for controlling or devolving the goo or whatever, it's going to be really interesting to see how other alliances handle it and if that results in some alliances losing their core industry and logistics people [because someone is absolutely going to gently caress it up].
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Went to Delve today in a venture. BiA rorq was cool, until a Claw came. So I went to 7-K and your rorqs were very nice. Gave me RRs until a raven came and alpha'd me off. I gave the rorq my 10 bistot. I received SRP and buyback. The second time I've been SRP'd by goons. Grr gons.
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Jesus christ I took a look at EVE after not playing for years and there's now a Serpentis titan?  WHEN DID THIS ALL HAPPEN and does this mean Fozzie's not around anymore?
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May 4, 2017 00:24
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brokenknee posted:Jesus christ I took a look at EVE after not playing for years and there's now a Serpentis titan? quite the opposite, fozzie is quite entrenched they're making blood raider capitals next 
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brokenknee posted:does this mean Fozzie's not around anymore? CCP found their perfect dev in Fozzie. Someone as completely misguided and confused about their own products as they are. Fozzie found his perfect job with CCP. A place he can be completely incompetent and never worry about being replaced. It's like a match made in heaven.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:i love all the people whining about the removal of passive moon mining I look forward to embracing the sweet release from my indentured servitude to pos fuel and silo cycling. Seriously. No complaints at all. I have made my riches. I see this as a much needed retirement. The schadenfreude is that I got into the pos business. 
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frozenphil posted:
Stunt developed a taste for expensive ships and pods on GSF's dime. He pissed a lot of money away. Just look at his losses
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