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Cowcaster
Aug 7, 2002



in fact i just checked and palpek's av is higher resolution than the original gba's screen

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eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Jay Rust posted:

The Witcher 3 does a bit of "force you to choose between two things while having incomplete information", which is the cheapest way to make a player feel bad.

I like it in the context of the witcher

poo poo sucks there, and sometimes things just go bad and you do what you can

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Snak posted:

I quit Mass Effect 3 after the game tricked me into lying to someone I wanted as an ally. The game was like "tell them about thing" or "tell them about other thing" and I was like, well, they will probably get mad when I them about thing, so I will tell them about other thing first, and then after I told them about other thing, the conversation was over and 20 seconds later they were like "we found out about thing! you loving lied to us and hid this, we're enemies now". And I was like wow gently caress this poo poo.

If you lie to Wrex about curing the genophage, then he will eventually find out because he's smart. If Wrex is dead and Wreav is the Krogan leader in his place, then nobody will discover the cure was sabotaged.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Palpek posted:

Yes, you need to investigate things thoroughly.

*Geralt kneels in front of a pile of porn magazines* "Hm, could be a pervert, or a basilisk"

*Geralt examines a bottle of lotion* "I can probably track the scent"

eonwe posted:

I like it in the context of the witcher

poo poo sucks there, and sometimes things just go bad and you do what you can

Even though terrible things constantly happen to everyone for no reason, the game's at least really good at giving you a sense of agency. The only time I rolled my eyes was a situation where both dialogue options led to a fist fight where a cutscene eventually plays where Geralt is knocked down by some guy just long enough for his friend to murder another npc.

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 3, 2017

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!

Cowcaster posted:

please note i am not complaining that the "sprites are too big" in the sense that they look bad or anything just that they took up too much space to the relative size of the screen, which wouldn't have been a problem on the snes because the snes had a standard definition 640x480 to work with. i looked it up and the GBA's screen was 240 pixels by 160 pixels. that's not a lot of room to work with guys

yeah I'm not trying to passive aggressively bash your opinion, your comment just reminded me of my friend and his frustrating refusal to play the X series, Zero series, or 7-8

He got on the worldwide leaderboards for the randomized strings of level in 10 (or was it 9 that had that mode?) Someone who is that into Mega Man is really doing themselves a horrible disservice by avoiding what I think are the best games in the entire franchise! He's the same fucker who hasn't played Bloodborne due to laziness rather than lack of interest though so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

exquisite tea posted:

If you lie to Wrex about curing the genophage, then he will eventually find out because he's smart. If Wrex is dead and Wreav is the Krogan leader in his place, then nobody will discover the cure was sabotaged.

somewhere in the world is a dude who shot mordin in the head to sabotage the genophage cure, then killed wrex in "self-defense" when he came seeking restitution and vengeance

I hope he feels terrible

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


According to that ME3 analytics graph only about 3% of players shot Mordin to sabotage the cure, so there's hope for us all.

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

Monkey Fracas posted:

I would appreciate a videogame based on the music video of holy diver where RJD wanders around the ruins of an old church with a sword or whatever. That Sega CD Make My Video game but it's Holy Diver. "yeah I'll put the shot of the dude in the red robes with the weird animated lizard eyes right after the dude turning into rats; hell yeah"

You joke and while this was never official and it was released only in Japan, there was a game with lots of heavy metal/Dio references:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Diver_(video_game)

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


exquisite tea posted:

According to that ME3 analytics graph only about 3% of players shot Mordin to sabotage the cure, so there's hope for us all.

Isn't that kind of a "blow up megaton" thing, like the only reason anyone would do it is to see what happens and then reload their save.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Lurdiak posted:

Isn't that kind of a "blow up megaton" thing, like the only reason anyone would do it is to see what happens and then reload their save.

It's legitimately painful to watch if you let the conversation run its full course.

I MADE A MISTAKE!

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


While we talk about writing just lol at the obnoxiousness of Megaton. "We built a town around an unexploded atomic bomb, gee it would really suck if something happened to it".

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Palpek posted:

While we talk about writing just lol at the obnoxiousness of Megaton. "We built a town around an unexploded atomic bomb, gee it would really suck if something happened to it".

ya, fallout definitely isnt a subtle writing style of game

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Lurdiak posted:

Yeah it's kind of like the problem that plagued superhero comics since the late 90s, where everyone thinks this inherently goofy genre needs to "grow up" because they simultaneously are too jaded to enjoy it as the cutesy escapism it's supposed to be but also unable to let it go because of nostalgia, so all these people who grew up as fans of superhero comics become writers and start writing stuff like "Toy-themed Superman villain Toyman is a child molester" and "Teenage superheroes accidentally cause the death of hundreds of children" and "This random comedy villain is a serial rapist" and just gore everywhere, because that's mature and realistic! *man in tights flies into space in background to fight sentient sun*


Anime.

This definitely still happens. Look at the Flintstones, and Archie.

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

does the bomb give them energy or something. i didn't finish fallout 3

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


codenameFANGIO posted:

This definitely still happens. Look at the Flintstones, and Archie.

Yeah, people have been thinking they're clever for making grim versions of childish things for a long time.

oddium posted:

does the bomb give them energy or something. i didn't finish fallout 3

No, the bomb is just inexplicably at the center of a big crater which gave the early settlers shelter from the elements and they just... never got around to moving it in the 200 years since they settled there???? Fallout 3 is really bad.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

oddium posted:

does the bomb give them energy or something. i didn't finish fallout 3
No, it's just sitting there in a radioactive puddle in the centre of town. But a group of like five people worship it as a holy artifact of something or other, so I guess it stays.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
I thought they worshiped the bomb

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

FirstAidKite posted:

I thought they worshiped the bomb

A few crazy people did

Serf
May 5, 2011


Fallout, with things like Juan Cruz and the Hubologists, is a game that always makes total sense.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Someone set up them

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
They built a city around an unexploded, quasi-religious nuclear bomb because that's a cool location to visit in a videogame. HTH.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Mordja posted:

They built a city around an unexploded, quasi-religious nuclear bomb because that's a cool location to visit in a videogame. HTH.

It isn't cool to visit, though.

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp

gently caress

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

Mordja posted:

They built a city around an unexploded, quasi-religious nuclear bomb because that's a rad location to visit in a videogame. HTH.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Mordja posted:

They built a city around an unexploded, quasi-religious nuclear bomb because that's a cool location to visit in a videogame. HTH.

Too bad it wasn't cool

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i like how in the fallout 3 megaton questline, even though the game lets you target guns, if you shoot the gun out of mr. burke's hand before he shoots the sheriff, the game doesn't know how to handle it so they both walk out and the sheriff just immediately dies for no reason

it's kind of hilarious and i can understand why it happens but i'm sad they really didn't take that part of VATS targeting into account to let you pull an outcome where both of them survive

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I tried that too lol.

I don't believe I've ever seen a lamer sequence than Lucas Simms telling me I'm about to see Megaton justice in action and then running up to Burke, politely informing him he's under arrest and immediately turning his back to a man who's shown himself willing to blow up an entire town, and getting killed in one shot like the punk that he is.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
I mean I guess it sucks that the Sheriff dies, but unfortunately for him that Duster of his has +1 Charisma and +5 Small Guns and looks cool so like... I'm not gonna, like, leave him alive

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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Everything in Fallout 3 was lame. Remember the vampires? Remember the town of obnoxious kids?

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
remember the tenpenny tower quest where the ending that's portrayed as the good one later has the ghouls murder everyone inside and stuff their bodies in the basement, including the people who were always cool with them

Ometeotl
Feb 13, 2012



It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
I confused myself...



Lurdiak posted:

Yeah, people have been thinking they're clever for making grim versions of childish things for a long time.

The new Flintstones rules, though.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
i'm pretty sure the new flintstones is not un-self aware of how weird and dumb its very concept is, considering the panels i've seen posted online of it

Monkey Fracas
Sep 11, 2010

...but then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you!
Grimey Drawer
I played New Vegas first and then tried to go back to FO3 years after I played New Vegas, which was a mistake

My first partner character died from walking off of a cliff

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


So many advantages of living next to a huge hole with an atomic bomb in it, the list just goes on and on. You can dry laundry on it, it gives you shade, you can worship it. Man, this bomb does so many interesting rational things. I guess somebody could think of using it for its intended puprose and pay you, player character big bucks to do it but that's crazy talk and totally not the blatant reason why this poo poo exists in the script.

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp

The Colonel posted:

remember the tenpenny tower quest where the ending that's portrayed as the good one later has the ghouls murder everyone inside and stuff their bodies in the basement, including the people who were always cool with them

Eat the rich

Serf
May 5, 2011


Yeah that ending is the good one, what's the deal.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!

Monkey Fracas posted:

I played New Vegas first and then tried to go back to FO3 years after I played New Vegas, which was a mistake

My first partner character died from walking off of a cliff

i really like new vegas. looking back on it now, it has a lot of issues, for me some of the biggest are how cherchez la femme is very limited and the few times you do get to use it are sort of weird, but compared to fallout 3 probably one of the biggest things that makes me dig it more is that it has such a stronger, funnier and more human cast of followers, while everyone in fallout 3 was either one note or horribly loving dull

Serf posted:

Yeah that ending is the good one, what's the deal.

they murder the friendly radio show guy who isn't even weird or a dick!!

The Colonel fucked around with this message at 22:00 on May 3, 2017

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Lurdiak posted:

Yeah it's kind of like the problem that plagued superhero comics since the late 90s, where everyone thinks this inherently goofy genre needs to "grow up" because they simultaneously are too jaded to enjoy it as the cutesy escapism it's supposed to be but also unable to let it go because of nostalgia, so all these people who grew up as fans of superhero comics become writers and start writing stuff like "Toy-themed Superman villain Toyman is a child molester" and "Teenage superheroes accidentally cause the death of hundreds of children" and "This random comedy villain is a serial rapist" and just gore everywhere, because that's mature and realistic! *man in tights flies into space in background to fight sentient sun*

In a lot of cases, the fairy tales the Witcher series draws from were pretty hosed up to begin with and only became childish with retellings as we decided maybe telling children stories with that much murder in them wasn't the best idea in the world.

Weirdly, I think Witcher 3 wallows in its misery less than Witcher 2 did, though Witcher 3 definitely comes out of the gate bleak as hell (especially the whole Baron storyline). It morphs into a much more optimistic heroic fantasy later on, though a couple of the side quests (like the one you recently encountered) dip back into the "Everything sucks and there's nothing you can do about it" well.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Ometeotl posted:

The new Flintstones rules, though.

Holy poo poo I just looked this up and it's amazing.

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CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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Harrow posted:

In a lot of cases, the fairy tales the Witcher series draws from were pretty hosed up to begin with and only became childish with retellings as we decided maybe telling children stories with that much murder in them wasn't the best idea in the world.

Weirdly, I think Witcher 3 wallows in its misery less than Witcher 2 did, though Witcher 3 definitely comes out of the gate bleak as hell (especially the whole Baron storyline). It morphs into a much more optimistic heroic fantasy later on, though a couple of the side quests (like the one you recently encountered) dip back into the "Everything sucks and there's nothing you can do about it" well.

Yeah I don't think there's anything remotely as bleak in Skellige and that even features a major massacre as a plot point. (I guess there might be a way to totally bork the investigation quest?)

But Novigrad takes you to some dark places. Forget it, Geralt, It's Novigrad

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