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JimmyT64 posted:See, if we're talking about MC being a good/bad person, the fact he tells main girl "Hey I got feelin's for this other girl" seems to me to be a point on the good side of the scale - the alternative being NOT telling her, of course. It would be fine and interesting if Emilia responded negatively and was like "what no, I'm not cool with that", but I'm not exactly expecting that to be the case. While someone can always claim "well, Emilia is the type of person who is cool with polygamy" it would be obvious that the real motivation for that would be the wish fulfillment stuff. Also I just like Emilia more. I feel like Rem's character arc is basically over, but I'm still curious about what is going on with Emilia. I feel like the best kind of wish fulfillment is the kind where it isn't transparently obvious that wish fulfillment is the primary goal. This is why regular romances are best; you can still have the "romance with an attractive girl" wish fulfillment stuff while staying within the confines of events that might happen in any "normal" story. Once you start to include stuff that feels unnatural and only seems to occur with the specific intent of nerd wish fulfillment it becomes harder to ignore.
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Ytlaya posted:It would be fine and interesting if Emilia responded negatively and was like "what no, I'm not cool with that", but I'm not exactly expecting that to be the case. While someone can always claim "well, Emilia is the type of person who is cool with polygamy" it would be obvious that the real motivation for that would be the wish fulfillment stuff. Honestly, I don't think the Rem thing will ever actually happen, she seems destined for tragedy and the fact that there's a whole series of "What If" chapters that are just Subaru and Rem being married makes it that much less likely to work out in the real story, IMO. Also I've heard the LN version changes things up a lot for this arc, like Subaru never telling Emilia he loves Rem. As for Emiia's reaction, I don't know how far into Arc 4 you are but so far I would not say she's cool with it at all, she's just keeping a lot of negative feeling internalized for the first half of Arc 4. This arc definitely goes places where Emilia is concerned it just takes a while to get there.
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darkgray posted:Well, there's a ubiquitous web novel template, see. It goes a little something like this: You forgot the part where the MC single handedly stops an invasion from not-China.
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The anime for In Another World With My Smartphone sure looks exciting and hot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6APaRV_mXgg
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darkgray posted:The anime for In Another World With My Smartphone sure looks exciting and hot: There's no way this is real
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May 3, 2017 17:48
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darkgray posted:The anime for In Another World With My Smartphone sure looks exciting and hot: I tried reading the web novel for this, and it is pretty much the most cliche isekai story imaginable.
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May 3, 2017 18:04
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There's no way that this is a real commercial. It tells us literally nothing except what the title already tells us, that the main character is in another world with his smartphone. What the gently caress, anime.
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blastron posted:There's no way that this is a real commercial. It tells us literally nothing except what the title already tells us, that the main character is in another world with his smartphone. What the gently caress, anime. To be fair, that's about as deep as the story gets.
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My favorite thing about that story is that the whole gimmick is supposed to be the protagonist bringing his smart phone, so I was at least expecting a bunch of weird shenanigans where he used his smart phone to help build up a medieval society or something, but nope - it turns out he also has special magic powers, uh, just because I guess.
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Ytlaya posted:My favorite thing about that story is that the whole gimmick is supposed to be the protagonist bringing his smart phone, so I was at least expecting a bunch of weird shenanigans where he used his smart phone to help build up a medieval society or something, but nope - it turns out he also has special magic powers, uh, just because I guess. the one where the hikikomori's whole house gets transported and he asks for advice on message boards is the best one because its the dog who gets special magic powers
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...does the dog end up with a sultry harem of disembodied floating legs?
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Ytlaya posted:My favorite thing about that story is that the whole gimmick is supposed to be the protagonist bringing his smart phone, so I was at least expecting a bunch of weird shenanigans where he used his smart phone to help build up a medieval society or something, but nope - it turns out he also has special magic powers, uh, just because I guess. So whats the smart phone for?
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Namtab posted:So whats the smart phone for? it is the core of the author's identity
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Rangpur posted:...does the dog end up with a sultry harem of disembodied floating legs? idk it was nowhere near finished and for i know it turned into a shitshow later but it was great how the dog was clearly the hero
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i liked the dog and the parts about his sister but the main story was boring
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wow, rokujouma got picked up by jnovel. the fan translator who did the previous 22 volumes is working on it, and they're releasing a re-edited version of the past 22 volumes for free wonder how the hell they managed that deal
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Zandracon posted:wow, rokujouma got picked up by jnovel. the fan translator who did the previous 22 volumes is working on it, and they're releasing a re-edited version of the past 22 volumes for free In what way? Wasn't the Haruhi English release a punch-up of the old fan translation?
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ConanThe3rd posted:In what way? Wasn't the Haruhi English release a punch-up of the old fan translation? The rumour's always been that Stratos was picked up for it, yeah, but I don't think it was ever confirmed.
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Zandracon posted:wow, rokujouma got picked up by jnovel. the fan translator who did the previous 22 volumes is working on it, and they're releasing a re-edited version of the past 22 volumes for free From Reddit: quote:They asked me to license it and I hesitated because of the length and because of the active and relatively high quality fan translation. I floated the possibility of cooperating somehow with them and they seemed amicable (pending a specific plan). I then approached Warnis, had a few conversations with him and brainstormed this release paradigm, created a full project presentation (kikakusho, in Japanese), and presented it to the Japanese publisher for their agreement. It was only after this was approved internally that we did the normal licensing contract (which wasn't hard since we'd already done a number of other contracts). All dealings with obtaining the rights to the fan translation, etc, were done straight by us, so as far as the Japanese company is concerned they aren't working "directly" with fan translators (or former ones), but they did approve this release structure with the understanding that they did not want to alienate the current readership/fanbase at all.
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The best isekai story is KonoSuba. I dare you to prove me wrong.
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The Sandman posted:The best isekai story is KonoSuba. I dare you to prove me wrong. I must have read about three dozen of the things by now, and I still think Mushoku Tensei does it best. Only seen KonoSuba animated, though.
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May 4, 2017 21:03
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maybe. it depends on how kumoko ends.
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Things KonoSuba has that most isekai novels don't: 1) a protagonist without a completely busted skillset, or even a particularly powerful one; 2) who consequently struggles to accomplish his goals ; 3) said goals do not include enslaving the bitch who dumped him back in high school; 4) no giant stat-blocks obsessively chronicling his greatness; 5) is actually, genuinely funny. And it accomplishes this despite being, at its core, nerd wish-fulfillment. Kazuya is still a mediocre student dropped into a fantasy world with strongly game-influenced elements and surrounded by beautiful women. Because while those things may be issues with the genre as a whole, they're not actually the reason its so frequently insufferable. (Re:Zero also ticks a lot of these boxes, which I suspect has something to do with both series' popularity on ADTRW.)
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it's not that kazuma is amazing; it is just that everyone else is completely terrible.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's not that kazuma is amazing; it is just that everyone else is completely terrible. (everyone being insufferable assholes that is)
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nah, there were a lot of competent people in gantz until the final arc started and everyone became extra retarded i dunno why you'd bring up gantz of all things in the wn thread, though.
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darkgray posted:Mushoku Tensei What? 
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Largepotato posted:What? There's a reason someone bought darkgray that avatar, lol.
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darkgray posted:I must have read about three dozen of the things by now, and I still think Mushoku Tensei does it best. Mushoku Tensei is not good. Like, I guess you could say it's good within the sub-genre of "bad isekai web novels with harems and OP protagonists", but that's not exactly glowing praise. Probably the best isekai WNs I've read are Konosuba, Kumoko, and Re:Zero, in no real order. They're the only ones that I can read without constantly being aware of the fact that I'm reading something written by an amateur. Rangpur posted:Things KonoSuba has that most isekai novels don't: 1) a protagonist without a completely busted skillset, or even a particularly powerful one; 2) who consequently struggles to accomplish his goals ; 3) said goals do not include enslaving the bitch who dumped him back in high school; 4) no giant stat-blocks obsessively chronicling his greatness; 5) is actually, genuinely funny. Yeah, I think Re:Zero and Konosuba might literally be the only two isekai WNs I can think of without an overpowered protagonist. There's Grimgar too, but I think that's just an LN? Grouchio posted:You could say the same thing about Gantz and yet it's infinitely worse than most isekai. Gantz is bad, but I don't think I'd go as far as saying it's worse than most isekai WNs.
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Ytlaya posted:Mushoku Tensei is not good. Like, I guess you could say it's good within the sub-genre of "bad isekai web novels with harems and OP protagonists", but that's not exactly glowing praise. I don't really think you're qualified to criticize the quality of the writing when you've been reading machine-translated summaries or whatever it is.
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darkgray posted:I don't really think you're qualified to criticize the quality of the writing when you've been reading machine-translated summaries or whatever it is. mushoku tensei is gross as heck regardless of the translation quality
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darkgray posted:I don't really think you're qualified to criticize the quality of the writing when you've been reading machine-translated summaries or whatever it is. I'm talking about writing more in terms of plot, characterization, etc (and you can also sometimes get some sense of quality of prose even if the translation is poor). Also, if you're referring to the Re:Zero quick translations posted earlier, those are actually surprisingly good. I would put them in probably the top 5-10% of WN translations I've read, simply by virtue of the fact that the translator is obviously a fluent English speaker (which is more than I can say for a lot of WN translations, which I have a hunch are translated by ESL people). Like, I won't deny that Mushoku Tensei is superior to stuff like Shield Hero, Re:Monster, Arifureta, etc, but those titles are all part of a genre that is inherently deeply flawed. If I had to pick the best "OP protagonist with harem" wish fulfillment WN, it would probably be Sevens (I realize Sevens isn't exactly isekai, but it's similar enough).
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Ytlaya posted:I'm talking about writing more in terms of plot, characterization, etc (and you can also sometimes get some sense of quality of prose even if the translation is poor). Also, if you're referring to the Re:Zero quick translations posted earlier, those are actually surprisingly good. I would put them in probably the top 5-10% of WN translations I've read, simply by virtue of the fact that the translator is obviously a fluent English speaker (which is more than I can say for a lot of WN translations, which I have a hunch are translated by ESL people). It goes both ways, though. People here tend to praise Honzuki as good, but blastron is making significant changes when he's translating. The writing of the original, as prose goes, is pretty second rate for Narou. MT doesn't exactly have strong prose, but it's clear and concise, and very engaging. It also has some of the most distinctly unique character voices I've found in web novels, even if most of that probably gets scraped off in translation. Plotwise it might come a step under Re:Zero, but then it doesn't get dragged out to all hell as much, plus Re:Zero suffers from a weak 5th arc (which I'm guessing you've yet to read) and extremely poorly written battle sequences that are just painful to read. MT also manages to develop a vivid world with very little blatant exposition, which happens to be one of Honzuki's strengths as well.
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Isn't MT the series with the perverted infant that made other people uncomfortable? I didn't feel like continuing after that.
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is this some kind of self-imposed challenge to have every objectively incorrect opinion at the same time?
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Darkgray is just humblebragging that he can read the originals
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Grouchio posted:Is the Overlord LN not good to you, considering that I really liked the first season?
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