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Alhazred posted:Which is probably the nicest thing he have ever said about the Killing Joke. In a just world, it would be the nicest thing anybody ever said about the Killing Joke.
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purple death ray posted:In a just world, it would be the nicest thing anybody ever said about the Killing Joke. Killing Joke's a great book, it's what people did with it, and their inability to move on from it, that was a problem.
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Rhyno posted:Alan's gotten a pretty sweet deal in recent years. Because Alan Moore is such a cock about reprints of his old works, he decided his artistic partners should get his half of the royalties. Davis definitely got Moore's share for the Captain Britain omnibus and the Miracleman reprints they worked on together. This is probably the classiest way to be a cock about something. Moore has, on occasion, said some really frustrating things about comics, and I can't say I particularly like the dude, but I can't fault his generosity. This and the time he gave a dude 10k Britbux to help solve his wife's immigration issues.
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Rhyno posted:Alan's gotten a pretty sweet deal in recent years. Because Alan Moore is such a cock about reprints of his old works, he decided his artistic partners should get his half of the royalties. Davis definitely got Moore's share for the Captain Britain omnibus and the Miracleman reprints they worked on together. "Alan Moore gives all his money to the people he worked with" feels like an odd thing to call him a cock for.
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ImpAtom posted:"Alan Moore gives all his money to the people he worked with" feels like an odd thing to call him a cock for. He's being a cock towards the publishers. From their perspective, it's probably a big pain. (gently caress 'em.)
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ImpAtom posted:"Alan Moore gives all his money to the people he worked with" feels like an odd thing to call him a cock for.
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ImpAtom posted:"Alan Moore gives all his money to the people he worked with" feels like an odd thing to call him a cock for. I'm not actually certain that Davis got any more for MM since Moore refused to even take a writer's credit on the reprints.
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FilthyImp posted:His Cyc and Archangel designs are rad as all gently caress, though. At the very least, he made the characters visually engaging. As dumb as Cable looks, you at least wonder what his deal is. EDIT: But on Jim Lee, I really like his Cyclops, Rogue, Storm and Pyslocke designs from X-Men. His Jean is probably her best non-Phoenix look even if the actual costume is pretty drat ridiculous. I don't like basically any of his DC work, though. His Image work is also not my style; nobody in Wild CATS looks good aside from possibly Grifter? NorgLyle fucked around with this message at 03:38 on May 1, 2017 |
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NorgLyle posted:Has Jim Lee done an Archangel design? His original look was very obviously pure Simonson and most of the later versions are heavily inspired by that design. Aside from Grifter's awesome (though impractical) mask, I always loved Spartan's original costume that Lee designed. He looked a bit like a '40s throwback patriotic pulp hero, all red, white, and blue, with the jodhpurs. I liked his red mask that was open for his red hair at the top. Every time I see the Rebirth version of Wally West, I do a double-take since his face and mask look identical to early '90s Spartan. But since you mentioned Psylocke, I miss her pre-Lee costume with the purple armor one-piece over the pink bodysuit, with a purple cape, hood, and mask that was open at the top for her purple hair to spill out. That's one of my favorite costumes of all time.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:But since you mentioned Psylocke, I miss her pre-Lee costume with the purple armor one-piece over the pink bodysuit, with a purple cape, hood, and mask that was open at the top for her purple hair to spill out. That's one of my favorite costumes of all time. What happened to Psylocke's original body? is it still running around somewhere? Dsmif fucked around with this message at 04:19 on May 1, 2017 |
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Aside from Grifter's awesome (though impractical) mask, I always loved Spartan's original costume that Lee designed. He looked a bit like a '40s throwback patriotic pulp hero, all red, white, and blue, with the jodhpurs. I liked his red mask that was open for his red hair at the top. Every time I see the Rebirth version of Wally West, I do a double-take since his face and mask look identical to early '90s Spartan.
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Dsmif posted:What happened to Psylocke's original body? is it still running around somewhere? Last I knew it was inhabited by Kwannon. I think they might've then destroyed it.
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NorgLyle posted:One of Lee's like visual design tics that I was already having a problem with by the time Wild CATS came along was his love for headsocks or big stupid sideburns. I'm guessing that he thinks cheeks are boring in character close ups and likes to give the face some kind of extra widgets to give him something to draw when you zoom in on someone's screaming head (as comic books tend to do quite frequently). I still have a soft spot for the Wildcats, not just because I loved the Alan Moore and Joe Casey runs, but because I own these Airmax original custom action figures: http://www.toymania.com/customcorner/cc16/wildani.shtml I think Airmax (the customizer) did a great job simplifying Lee's designs and getting them into more of a classic Bruce Timm style.
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Codependent Poster posted:Last I knew it was inhabited by Kwannon. I think they might've then destroyed it. Wasn't that Revanche and she died of the Legacy Virus? I'm half remembering a 90's trading card. I think I own like one comic with the character.
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I was reading X-Men like my life depended on it and I still could not tell you what was going on with Revanche and Kwannon
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purple death ray posted:I was reading X-Men like my life depended on it and I still could not tell you what was going on with Revanche and Kwannon Same except Xorn and Magneto.
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I'm pretty sure Revanche is Kwannon and died of the Legacy Virus, yes.
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For me Lee is the the best superhero artist there is. By this I mean he draws straight forward superheroes, and not much more than that. I wouldn't go into a comic drawn by Lee expecting interesting lay-outs, or some one using interesting angles and panels to set a mood, I would go into his comics expecting a straight forward superhero comic. It is like going to see a Fast and the Furious movie or going to see something deeper. You know what you are expecting and just like the Fast and Furious movies, Lee knows what he is doing when he wants to do something straightforward and actiony.
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Madkal posted:For me Lee is the the best superhero artist there is. By this I mean he draws straight forward superheroes, and not much more than that. I wouldn't go into a comic drawn by Lee expecting interesting lay-outs, or some one using interesting angles and panels to set a mood, I would go into his comics expecting a straight forward superhero comic. It is like going to see a Fast and the Furious movie or going to see something deeper. You know what you are expecting and just like the Fast and Furious movies, Lee knows what he is doing when he wants to do something straightforward and actiony. This is insulting to both superhero artists and the Fast and the Furious franchise
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Endless Mike posted:I'm pretty sure Revanche is Kwannon and died of the Legacy Virus, yes. I think she got resurrected by Madelyne Pryor at one point and switched bodies back with Psylocke during Fraction's run, but I only made it a couple issues into that run because Greg Land.
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How many rows of risers are they standing on?
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Lee is a really fun superhero artist for still images but he's not the best at conveying motion or movement. He does great covers, less so interiors. He's great at drawing superheroes posing, well like superheroes.
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Let's look at a slightly different genre of comics to the usual superhero stuff. Don Rosa is pretty much THE Disney guy when it comes to ducks. If you haven't read 'The life and times of Scrooge Mcduck' then you should do so immediately because the guy took to the task of 'write funny adventures about a talking billionaire waterfowl' with an insane level of dedication, and set the bar for bringing gravitas to Disney mascot comics. Take a look at this page. Like, really look at it:  The composition of that main panel is amazing, and the level of detail absurd. Look at how the framing diminishes Scrooge while the shadow amplifies Goldie's presence directly along the line of sight between the two characters. Look at how the table with the beam of wood fallen across it is reproduced in the second-to-last panel. I've removed the dialogue boxes/thought bubbles, because without them the visuals tell you everything you need to know about who these characters are to one another. Look at the last panel - that's not a quick gradient background pushed out to meet a deadline, its a visual device used to clearly indicate the emotional response of the character. It's not photorealistic perfection, but it's an artist who knows exactly what he's doing with the page and executing it flawlessly. And this from a guy who - aside from formalized training in engineering drafting - was entirely self-taught and who had bad eyesight from an early age. If you want a refutation of the just-world hypothesis consider the fact that Don Rosa's retired now due to his retinas detaching, while Greg Land continues to draw a paycheck by squatting out page after page of dead-eyed pornface monstrosities. 
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I grew up in Sweden where Disney and especially the Ducks are Serious Business. Everyone read Kalle Anka as a kid. Don Rosa (and Carl Barks) quickly stuck out amid the no-effort disposable stories churned out by nobodies in those comic books. I don't think he was ever as popular in the US, which is a shame. I also found out he's from Louisville (where we moved to) and he even made a local "superhero," Captain Kentucky: 
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david_a posted:I grew up in Sweden where Disney and especially the Ducks are Serious Business. Everyone read Kalle Anka as a kid. Don Rosa (and Carl Barks) quickly stuck out amid the no-effort disposable stories churned out by nobodies in those comic books. Okay so #1, that KFC chicken is a loving Klansman and that's AMAZING, and #2, regarding the Kalle Anka Christmas TV specials... quote:The show has been shown infrequently in the US in recent years, but in the Nordic countries (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland) the show has been broadcast every year since 1959, and has become a holiday classic. Ratings show that around 40% of all Swedes watch it on Christmas Eve, the record (in 1997) being just over half the population. 
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Probably if you're an editor the thing that gets you in trouble the most is book delays, so having Greg Land turning in 10 pages a day is probably going to prevent some ulcers. That's the only thing I can come up with, anyway.
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zoux posted:Probably if you're an editor the thing that gets you in trouble the most is book delays, so having Greg Land turning in 10 pages a day is probably going to prevent some ulcers. That's the only thing I can come up with, anyway. People like Greg Land. People think he is a good artist who draws "realistically". People are idiots. It'd be comforting to imagine that there's some lazy editor who only cares about deadlines giving Land work, but no, people actually buy comics by Greg Land because they like his drawings.
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I will say that when I very first read Ultimate FF and his run on UXM back when I was just getting into comics, I didn't really notice because I hadn't really developed a critical eye for art but reading it years later I was like, how the gently caress did I not notice how terrible this was?
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The bigger thing is that books with Land on art don't sell *less* even when he's doing half duty swapping with another artist. Whether people do or do not like his art is irrelevant if they continue to buy books he's working on.
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Don Rosa is at a con I'm going to and I'm going to try to get him to draw me a Donald Hulk.
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Push El Burrito posted:Don Rosa is at a con I'm going to and I'm going to try to get him to draw me a Donald Hulk. Not Howard the Duck?
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Lobok posted:Not Howard the Duck? Ever since I got my first Skottie Young Hulk sketch I like to get people to draw me various Hulks. I like Hulk  Edit: Peter David will also be there's more Hulk love payoff. Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 16:53 on May 4, 2017 |
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Push El Burrito posted:Don Rosa is at a con I'm going to and I'm going to try to get him to draw me a Donald Hulk. You let that man know he's the best duck artist, k?  And post the sketch if you get it! (Bonus points if you can get him to hide the letters d u c k in the picture or include a squished Mickey underfoot.)
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david_a posted:I grew up in Sweden where Disney and especially the Ducks are Serious Business. Everyone read Kalle Anka as a kid. Don Rosa (and Carl Barks) quickly stuck out amid the no-effort disposable stories churned out by nobodies in those comic books. For what it's worth, I'm from Oklahoma and I loving loved Rosa's stuff as a kid and am thrilled that Fantagraphics is reprinting his work now.
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The first tiny comic con I went to, Rosa was the only celebrity guest. I got him to sign some Uncle Scrooge comics I had, though I was too young to realize the value of such. He was drawing a commissioned image for a fan while I was at his table, a big picture of Goofy playing soccer, and heading the ball. I think he was honestly surprised and happy to see a kid had some of his work there. Now, grown up, I think he might honestly be in the top ten greatest comic storytellers of all time. The stuff Breetai aren't a one-time style level for him, even though his his subject matter is cartoony, he is able to draw scenes and tell stories at the very top shelf level. I consider him on par with grand masters like Osamu Tezuka and Will Eisner.
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Alright, you guys have convinced me to embrace my Scandinavian heritage and buy some duck comics. What about Carl Barks? Although I probably prefer Rosa because of the detail, Don seems to always have considered himself working in his shadow. No Barks, no Rosa. His body of work is pretty intimidatingly gigantic, though. I might pick up some of the more famous ones, like the story that influenced the opening of Raiders of the Lost Ark. 
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Growing up, I was never a big fan of Disney cartoons. They always seemed so corny and cutesy compared to Looney Tunes. Mickey had zero personality, and Donald was always an angry rear end in a top hat. But somehow I ended up with a copy of the Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold comic, and I always thought it was pretty impressive, and not at all like anything Disney-related I had ever seen before. It's long-gone now, but I've since realized it was by Carl Barks. Is that considered a classic, or does it have any kind of reputation at all?
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:But somehow I ended up with a copy of the Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold comic, and I always thought it was pretty impressive, and not at all like anything Disney-related I had ever seen before. It's long-gone now, but I've since realized it was by Carl Barks. Is that considered a classic, or does it have any kind of reputation at all?
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:But somehow I ended up with a copy of the Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold comic, and I always thought it was pretty impressive, and not at all like anything Disney-related I had ever seen before. It's long-gone now, but I've since realized it was by Carl Barks. Is that considered a classic, or does it have any kind of reputation at all? That was one of the first full-length Disney comic stories (there were comic books before that but they mainly reprinted old strips) and it introduced the comic book versions of Donald and the nephews, who were quite different from how animated cartoons depicted them at the time. I think it also inspired the treasure hunting and travel to exotic places that Barks's stories were known for. However Barks didn't write that one, he just did some of the art. david_a posted:What about Carl Barks? Although I probably prefer Rosa because of the detail, Don seems to always have considered himself working in his shadow. No Barks, no Rosa. His body of work is pretty intimidatingly gigantic, though. I might pick up some of the more famous ones, like the story that influenced the opening of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Fantagraphics is reprinting all of Barks's Disney comics in hardcovers. The volume "Only a Poor Old Man" has some of the most famous stories with "Back to the Klondike," about Scrooge's past; the unnamed horseradish story, one of the most famous treasure hunts; and "Tralla La," about a secret city in the Himalayas. Another volume has "The Seven Cities of Gold," the one that inspired Raiders.
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