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It's possible that all of that will change. They've said the economy isn't fully implemented. But things definitely don't look good for it.
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Barring the lovely new drop/upgrade system, does the loot finally make sense? One of my biggest complaints about the original game was that after finishing all the content that was in at launch I STILL had very little idea of how the gear system actually worked because it's so horribly tutorialized. If you guys want the economy changed you should start making lots of threads on it. They may hear it and go, "Oh, you know what..." Dark_Swordmaster fucked around with this message at 13:17 on May 4, 2017 |
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May 4, 2017 13:15
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:If you guys want the economy changed you should start making lots of threads on it. They may hear it and go, "Oh, you know what..." Yeah, please god. The beta forum exists for a reason, be the change you want to see in The Especially when we have people on there defending the death tax and the monetization choices. A. Beaverhausen fucked around with this message at 13:48 on May 4, 2017 |
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May 4, 2017 13:40
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Barring the lovely new drop/upgrade system, does the loot finally make sense? One of my biggest complaints about the original game was that after finishing all the content that was in at launch I STILL had very little idea of how the gear system actually worked because it's so horribly tutorialized. The itemization is the exact same except for the upgrade mechanics. And the upgrade mechanics have replaced crafting. Just like in TSW, there are three main item types that determine the stats (tank, dps, healer). Some items have secondary effects (20% chance to refund energy or 2% chance to reduce cooldowns, etc.) The upgrade system has multiple tiers: Green: Level 1-20 Blue: Level 1-25 Purple: Level 1-30 ??? Going up from one tier to the other either requires an upgrade kit (which you seem to only get one free one) or 2 maxed items of the same tier. I.e. Green -> Blue requires 2 Level 20 Green Items. It's like 250 xp for each item level and every item you feed it is 100 xp * a bonus for matching the items type (waist talisman = waist talisman) and maybe role (dps = dps)? The upgrade kits are probably a cash shop item so get ready for a severe grind or pay-to-win. Really, they could solve most of the horrible currency poo poo by just bringing back random drops. Random item drops, mark drops, upgrade kits would allow you to have things to sell, let you more quickly upgrade items, and let you save upgrade kits. Without random drops literally everything is a time or money gated grind. There are lots of people complaining about it on the forums but the line they get right now is "the economy is not fully implemented."
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May 4, 2017 13:57
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Holy poo poo that currency and itemization mechanic is literally exactly the same as a few Korean grinder MMOs. If they are getting inspiration from those get ready for a fun ride.
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May 4, 2017 14:00
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I'm looking for the beta forum now, is it somewhere in https://forums.thesecretworld.com/index.php ? Or can I only access the Beta forum if I'm in the beta? Edit: Or it's just threads? Like this one https://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?98556-The-Secret-World-Legends/page109 ?
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May 4, 2017 14:18
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Between the death tax and the grind fest upgrade system I was half expecting to see "when you upgrade something there is an x% chance it will break unless you buy a reinforcement booster from the cash shop" mechanics stolen from KMMOs
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May 4, 2017 14:22
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For anyone skeptical about the reality of how bad the loot system is... Most of the time you get a weapon or talisman upgrade item. Sometimes they are blue but usually not. These upgrade items just give xp though not the green to blue upgrade.
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May 4, 2017 14:25
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Holy gently caress, they seriously took the loot box mechanic to its most ridiculous level yet. At least in Blizzard or Valve games they're almost always cosmetic fun boxes, not the poo poo you need to play the game (barring HS of course)...
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May 4, 2017 15:06
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And my interest is dead.
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May 4, 2017 15:09
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Holy gently caress, they seriously took the loot box mechanic to its most ridiculous level yet. Pretty much. There's one you can unlock after every boss. 6 free keys a day. 100 marks per key after that. 100 isn't a lot but considering how many things cost marks and that you can currently only earn about 10k a day, it's incredibly stupid. Tacos cost marks now too. As do potions and other consumables.
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May 4, 2017 15:14
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Yeah, please god. The beta forum exists for a reason, be the change you want to see in The Already on it trust me.  might as well be my motto when referring to Funcom.I already got pubbies on my side for making real money clothes actually account wide instead of account wide by gender because "code is hard"
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May 4, 2017 15:28
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Oh my mistake, dungeon keys are 500 marks not 100. Lol. Which means if you never die, never upgrade equipment, have all the sprints and weapons you want, don't need consumables then... you can get loot from 4 dungeons a day.
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May 4, 2017 16:25
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Jesus, that all sounds completely awful, and is going to stifle it in the crib.
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May 4, 2017 16:37
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drat you monkey's paw. A good sounding combat revamp of a game I really like playing, along with making it less like an MMO But then a bunch of unnecessary monetization changes, and terrible rear end lootboxes in a game without particularly interesting loot.
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May 4, 2017 17:07
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Colgate posted:drat you monkey's paw. Hopefully since it's in beta they just slapped on some numbers for the monetization stuff.. But it's not sounding good. Also remember the game launches in SPRING 2017, so in a month or so...
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May 4, 2017 17:11
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Now this feels like a Funcom game! Which is a bit of a shame too since it really did seem like they were starting to turn things around. I think the most disappointing things isnt the lovely business model, but that the combat improvements seem so half assed. I was really hoping the game was going to get ESO style combat.
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May 4, 2017 17:26
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Exmond posted:Hopefully since it's in beta they just slapped on some numbers for the monetization stuff.. But it's not sounding good. I can't see it launching before July.
I could go on but in reality, this probably needs another 6 months in the oven. In Funcom fashion, it might get 2 at best and release a half-finished mess. CoffeeBooze posted:Now this feels like a Funcom game! Which is a bit of a shame too since it really did seem like they were starting to turn things around. I think the most disappointing things isnt the lovely business model, but that the combat improvements seem so half assed. I was really hoping the game was going to get ESO style combat. The combat actually doesn't feel bad. It feels much better than the old combat and much more like ESO.
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May 4, 2017 17:29
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I plan to dive in for real this weekend but I have been looking through the forums. Apparently dungeon keys started out at 500 units of whatever and dropped to 100 recently. So before we start hitting all the  maybe just assume numbers are literally thrown out and being altered by the phases of the moon?
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May 4, 2017 17:31
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Len posted:I plan to dive in for real this weekend but I have been looking through the forums. Apparently dungeon keys started out at 500 units of whatever and dropped to 100 recently. So before we start hitting all the They are still 500 for one as of today when I took that screenshot.
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May 4, 2017 17:37
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Lawlicaust posted:I can't see it launching before July. I agree with you and I have a feeling Funcom is going to rush it out. Even with Conan Exiles they need more cashflow.
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May 4, 2017 17:39
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Lawlicaust posted:They are still 500 for one as of today when I took that screenshot. Weird. this thread is people saying 100 https://forums-tl.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?21884-Currency-for-dungeon-loot
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May 4, 2017 17:47
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Len posted:Weird. this thread is people saying 100 Yeah I have no idea why he thinks it is 100 because it definitely isn't: From a few hours ago. I tested it and it took the 500.
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May 4, 2017 17:58
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Maybe it depends on the drops/how many times you loot Maybe it's all cartoon poo poo that will drive people away but sounds good to investors
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May 4, 2017 18:32
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The new combat feels so good too. I'm praying they can fix this poo poo.
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May 4, 2017 18:42
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A. Beaverhausen posted:The new combat feels so good too. I'm praying they can fix this poo poo. It will feel better once I get rid of this shotgun and get a blade or chaos back. I'm not used to ranged weapons and ultimately I'm not enjoying shotgun/hammer
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May 4, 2017 18:46
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Len posted:It will feel better once I get rid of this shotgun and get a blade or chaos back. I'm not used to ranged weapons and ultimately I'm not enjoying shotgun/hammer Oh true, I can imagine not having your weapons of choice available at first can be iffy at best. It's a big difference from the original TSW shtick. I do like the new dream like opening, showing a tiny bit of the different areas with the original monologue occasionally playing. The tutorial npc VA sucks, surprisingly from TSW. E: screw it, someone might want to be surprised.
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May 4, 2017 19:17
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Oh true, I can imagine not having your weapons of choice available at first can be iffy at best. It's a big difference from the original TSW shtick. It's iffy but doable. At least a shotgun is almost a blade. It isn't like they paired me with ele or ar. I'd be so incredibly lost.
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May 4, 2017 19:24
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A. Beaverhausen posted:The tutorial npc VA sucks, surprisingly from TSW. 
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May 4, 2017 21:23
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Pilchenstein posted:They said on a stream that it's literally just someone from the office until they get an actor in. Oh drat, now I feel kind of bad for being harsh.
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May 4, 2017 22:28
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Oh drat, now I feel kind of bad for being harsh. The best something is forged in the hottest stuff or something. I don't know, the lootbox/economy news has just suuuuuuuper killed my excitement for this relaunch.
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Yeah that economy issue would scare me off of the relaunch if it happened that way, and I have played with the Horrible Chinagame.exe Crew where the safest method of subscribing to an MMO was with literal Subway Restaurant gift cards.
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May 5, 2017 01:24
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I'll keep checking in on it to see if they make any major changes but I'm not super enthused to play much more of the beta now. Once you get to BM+ things get very slow and very grindy. I got a few items to blue so here's more on itemization.
Basically, it's a terrible f2p mobile game/Korean MMO treadmill. Most of the revamp seems designed to make the game as much of a cash grab as possible which is disappointing because the quality of life changes are great and the new combat is really fun.
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May 5, 2017 04:03
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Jesus, that sounds FlyFF levels of bad.
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May 5, 2017 07:19
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May 5, 2017 07:30
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Jesus gently caress. I would prefer actual subscription over this crap. The worst part is that some gaming jornos seem interested in the reboot and favorably disposed so far. If they release with this system it will be shat on by both players and jornos on day 1 and the game will die faster than we can blink.
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May 5, 2017 08:09
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May 5, 2017 10:03
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This is why we get subpar experiencesquote:[Global] [AWOL]: you don't have to pay cash for dugeon loot though. you just do some challenges and there's the currency Edit: Now they're saying just make new accounts that way you can switch accounts, play an alt, and send your main their fun points. Len fucked around with this message at 14:48 on May 5, 2017 |
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Isn't that poo poo that is HEAVILY discouraged in any other MMO, sometimes even by the EULA? Or am I just a  rear end in a top hat?
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