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GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Rutibex posted:

private armies did wonders for the roman republic

Yeah, a period of civil wars that ended in dictatorship. And then more civil wars and dictatorships. And then much later they dropped the ball and got conquered by barbarians.

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Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Abolish the wage system

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


congratulations to the republicans on their impending 1,000-year reign

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/860196932374978560

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

new phone who dis posted:

When truly pressed she's really only a "socialist" as far as every other idiot who doesn't really know what the term means and is actually a capitalist who thinks there should be a stronger social safety net.

isn't that a social democrat?

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Revolutinary socialists!!! Wow!!

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Maya Fey posted:

congratulations to the republicans on their impending 1,000-year reign

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/860196932374978560

it's loving hilarious ain't it

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
Socialism would be a good thing, but I don't see how we're ever going to get it with the population going up without cease. How do you feed all the impoverished? Cultivate more land? What about global warming? Do we just pack everybody in to the cities and leave all the arable land to be farmed?

Trying to see too far ahead always depresses me. My only comfort is knowing that I could be wrong.

JB50
Feb 13, 2008

Maya Fey posted:

congratulations to the republicans on their impending 1,000-year reign

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/860196932374978560

LOL

JB50
Feb 13, 2008

phasmid posted:

Socialism would be a good thing, but I don't see how we're ever going to get it with the population going up without cease. How do you feed all the impoverished? Cultivate more land? What about global warming? Do we just pack everybody in to the cities and leave all the arable land to be farmed?

Trying to see too far ahead always depresses me. My only comfort is knowing that I could be wrong.

We pay farmers to NOT farm. LOL if you think we cant produce enough food.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

phasmid posted:

Socialism would be a good thing, but I don't see how we're ever going to get it with the population going up without cease. How do you feed all the impoverished? Cultivate more land? What about global warming? Do we just pack everybody in to the cities and leave all the arable land to be farmed?

Trying to see too far ahead always depresses me. My only comfort is knowing that I could be wrong.

Don't be depressed. Current studies on birthrates are showing things should level out around 11 billion in 40 years or so. Meaning, that as countries develop birth rates drop off.

Very rarely do I see people with more than 1 or two kids (if they even have kids).

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

spacetoaster posted:

Don't be depressed. Current studies on birthrates are showing things should level out around 11 billion in 40 years or so. Meaning, that as countries develop birth rates drop off.

Very rarely do I see people with more than 1 or two kids (if they even have kids).

this is literally the reason why I chose not to have kids

I think there's maybe enough at this point

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

JB50 posted:

We pay farmers to NOT farm. LOL if you think we cant produce enough food.
That's one of the more depressing things. Even if we have a surplus, we would have to keep producing it to feed those who couldn't produce their own. And without Socialism, people would rather let the surplus food rot than just give it away.

spacetoaster posted:

Don't be depressed. Current studies on birthrates are showing things should level out around 11 billion in 40 years or so. Meaning, that as countries develop birth rates drop off.

Very rarely do I see people with more than 1 or two kids (if they even have kids).
But with things as they are, countries don't really get developed unless they have resources or something else people want, right? If they get left behind, they'll become backwaters where extremism flourishes. And that usually means lots of kids, too, since extreme religions/politics need a lot of foot soldiers.

JB50
Feb 13, 2008

phasmid posted:

That's one of the more depressing things. Even if we have a surplus, we would have to keep producing it to feed those who couldn't produce their own. And without Socialism, people would rather let the surplus food rot than just give it away.

Distribution is more of a problem when it comes to feeding starving people. Warlords and all that.

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


phasmid posted:

But with things as they are, countries don't really get developed unless they have resources or something else people want, right? If they get left behind, they'll become backwaters where extremism flourishes.

So you're suggesting the largest, richest, and most militarily-equipped nations should travel the world, forcibly developing countries for ideological purposes...?

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

JB50 posted:

Distribution is more of a problem when it comes to feeding starving people. Warlords and all that.
What about urban centers in places like India? They're not really under the threat of warlords. It's just that they have too many people to feed. Distribution should be easy enough, shouldn't it? Unless there's some barrier like bureaucratic incompetence?

I worry because post-apocalyptic fiction is one of the most popular kinds of literature at the moment. People are really taking this stuff too lightly. Either we'll have to regulate things ourselves or nature will do it for us and I can't tell which of those two would be ugliest. It's like when kids think that war is a fun adventure when it usually is only enjoyable for psychopaths.

poisonpill posted:

So you're suggesting the largest, richest, and most militarily-equipped nations should travel the world, forcibly developing countries for ideological purposes...?
Maybe not forcibly, but we enrich ourselves by taking what we need from here and there. If there's not a responsibility to be humane to other countries, where's the argument that we should be humane to our fellows?

phasmid fucked around with this message at 20:03 on May 4, 2017

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

phasmid posted:

People are really taking this stuff too lightly. Either we'll have to regulate things ourselves or nature will do it for us and I can't tell which of those two would be ugliest.

War/Famine/Plague. Those are the great population controls. If you get one, you usually get another (or both).

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


phasmid posted:

What about urban centers in places like India? They're not really under the threat of warlords. It's just that they have too many people to feed. Distribution should be easy enough, shouldn't it? Unless there's some barrier like bureaucratic incompetence?


i imagine the problem with that idea is that it's more cost effective to just give those countries the money you would have spent shipping the food to them. On top of that it is simply impossible to donate food to those countries without having local authorities taking it and selling it themselves.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

phasmid posted:

What about urban centers in places like India? They're not really under the threat of warlords. It's just that they have too many people to feed. Distribution should be easy enough, shouldn't it? Unless there's some barrier like bureaucratic incompetence?

I worry because post-apocalyptic fiction is one of the most popular kinds of literature at the moment. People are really taking this stuff too lightly. Either we'll have to regulate things ourselves or nature will do it for us and I can't tell which of those two would be ugliest. It's like when kids think that war is a fun adventure when it usually is only enjoyable for psychopaths.

Maybe not forcibly, but we enrich ourselves by taking what we need from here and there. If there's not a responsibility to be humane to other countries, where's the argument that we should be humane to our fellows?

my dude there are many, many cities outside of famously corrupt failing states that manage to feed their residents, there are a lot of really cruel inherent inequities in our social order but starvation in the modern age is only the product of local governments failing to do their jobs at the most basic level.

people fantasize about post-apocalyptic scenarios because they seek an escape from a thoroughly organized, comfortable, dull world where they are one cog in a machine with seven billion cogs into a romantic chaos where they are the self-sufficient king of the universe, and we no longer have a frontier one can dream of running away to. They do not do it because they legitimately believe the zombies will rise up and devour them any day now, or because some vaguely defined Malthusian crisis is any more inevitable now than when people were predicting it any day now in the 1800s. It's exactly because any kind of meaningful want or fear is so remote to modern first-world audiences that they seek it out as entertainment; when times are actually awful the trend goes to comforting fantasies where all the real and present discomforts in the audience's lives are abolished.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:52 on May 4, 2017

dsriggs
May 28, 2012

MONEY FALLS...

...FROM THE SKY...

...WHENEVER HE POSTS!

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeed/status/860206543802957824

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/860209082388578304

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


fill the building with acid

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

this country is doomed lmao

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
And the Republicans went in to "Eye of the Tiger". Two loving awful rally songs for goddamned morons, being played by people who have permanent free health care even after they leave office, even if they are shitcanned. gently caress the idiots in Congress who find this amusing.

Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009


VikingSkull posted:

this country is doomed lmao

You only just realized lol

Maya Fey posted:

fill the building with acid

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Nuclearmonkee posted:

You only just realized lol

nah I'm pretty sure I got this avatar by posting that sentiment many times

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


It's democrats now? CNN was saying it was republicans singing about obamacare.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
It was both.

Dean of Swing
Feb 22, 2012

Wow, that sure showed them.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
I wonder when it'll get to the point where senators are stabbing each other to death during meetings

Space Camp fuckup
Aug 2, 2003

Maya Fey posted:

fill the building with acid

Docahedron
May 11, 2008

Im a special snowflake

Maya Fey posted:

fill the building with acid

But these are some resilient olds. We need something more powerful.

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


Gammatron 64 posted:

I wonder when it'll get to the point where senators are stabbing each other to death during meetings

you need to have some sort of sincere belief or principle for this to happen

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta

Gammatron 64 posted:

I wonder when it'll get to the point where senators are stabbing each other to death during meetings

Soon hopefully

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Gammatron 64 posted:

I wonder when it'll get to the point where senators are stabbing each other to death during meetings

A little NSFW because of hardcore rap lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY

Dean of Swing
Feb 22, 2012

Gammatron 64 posted:

I wonder when it'll get to the point where senators are stabbing each other to death during meetings

The past few years have proven that anything is possible if your corporate gravy train is at stake.

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta

spacetoaster posted:

A little NSFW because of hardcore rap lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY

Literally came here to post this

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Maya Fey posted:

you need to have some sort of sincere belief or principle for this to happen

lol nah. The only sincere principle that united Caesar's assassins was "well this guy is getting too big for his red leather thigh high boots, lets shank him". They claimed to be out to restore republican government because it looked better than the truth, which was that their idea of republican government was synonymous with unrestrained self enrichment.

Plucky Brit
Nov 7, 2009

Swing low, sweet chariot

Gammatron 64 posted:

I wonder when it'll get to the point where senators are stabbing each other to death during meetings

To think Americans laugh at the British House of Commons having a distance between benches of two sword lengths.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Gammatron 64 posted:

I wonder when it'll get to the point where senators are stabbing each other to death during meetings

probably sometime after the point where they stop having closed-door parties together after work with a few of their most important industry donors.

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phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

Plucky Brit posted:

To think Americans laugh at the British House of Commons having a distance between benches of two sword lengths.

I dunno. British politics seem more vicious between politicians and that's a good thing. Personally, I admire that you guys kick the poo poo out of your politicians more than we do here in the states.

It's your judicial system we make fun of, because of the silly wigs.

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