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Oh yeah, that sounds right. So that makes Persona 4 even more unique: not only does the other world stick around, but the characters can still get there if they want to. None of the other Persona games leave that open. On a similar topic: is it ever indicated whether the Persona 1/2 characters can use their Personas when weird poo poo isn't warping the real world? As far as I know, we only ever see them using their Personas when the DEVA System is warping things in Persona 1, or when reality is all messed up in Persona 2. If they can only use their Personas when the collective unconscious (or, in Persona 1, just one girl's unconscious) is bleeding through, then that makes their power more similar to the Persona 3/4/5 characters' power than it seems.
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Harrow posted:I say "fray." Though I suppose if anyone knows what the katakana is for that it'd be pretty obvious how it's supposed to be pronounced.
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FractalSandwich posted:Speaking of which, why do the English names elide the "ha" in the "maha-" in the names of multi-target spells? Is it a relic from years and years ago when they had a strict character limit to work around? It could be, though it's worth noting that Persona 2: Eternal Punishment kept the full "Maha" and that was the first time a localized SMT/Persona game had the original spell names. The menus in the PS2 games might've had stricter character limits for one reason or another. It's also possible it's just to make them easier/shorter to say--"Mabufudyne" instead of "Maha Bufudyne" or something.
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I guess most people don't speak Sanskrit, so they'd be unlikely to notice or care.
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Now that I think about it, it could've just come down to Nocturne's menu sizes. Looking at that, it's possible some of the longer "Maha" spell names might've struggled to fit. To be more easily legible in English, there needs to be a space or hyphen between Maha and the rest of the spell name, which adds a total of three characters to the spell name's length. If that was looking a little cramped there, they might've just shortened it to "Ma" and ditched the space and figured nobody would notice (which turned out to be true). Then they stuck with the same convention for Persona 3 and at that point it stuck.
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It might also be kinda weird for the Hama line of spells. Mahahama doesn't roll off as well as Mahama.
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May 4, 2017 15:11
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To say nothing of Mahabananarama.
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May 4, 2017 15:15
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ApplesandOranges posted:Also I absolutely loved the Igor reveal. And then someone pointed out that when you first enter the Velvet room Igor goes, 'Welcome to MY Velvet room', which isn't the usual line. At first I had dismissed it since I thought they were going for a more brutal approach with the game and it made sense for Igor to be a bit more mean at that point.
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I noticed something on my ng+ run, does satanael's gun really not have a barrel? It's just empty space all the way down the middle.
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May 4, 2017 15:58
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The barrel is empty and hollow, much like the sins it fires from it. Symbolism.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXZ36Q1kotI&t i dunno here's a video of moving bodies of water in arid, dry climates set to Rivers In The Desert gently caress it man
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Moltrey posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXZ36Q1kotI&t This is a good video.
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[volume warning] https://twitter.com/pavaal/status/860104565684715521
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May 4, 2017 18:08
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I like this a lot. Made me laugh.
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May 4, 2017 18:19
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should have been "where have you been?"
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Fun bookending thing I just noticed. When the protagonist decides to do intervene against Shido, you get a brief shot of his fist clenching, when you're about to face yabbadabbadoo, you get the same shot. It's not that obscure a gesture, but it's both in cutscenes.
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Weird little continuity goof: When you enter Shido's palace to steal his heart, Joker's in his hoodie but comes back to the real world in his school uniform. They went out of their way to put him in his uniform for the palace reveal; surprised no one on the dev team caught that.
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TheLoser posted:Weird little continuity goof: The real Joker probably got trapped in a rat tunnel and probably died.
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Now I'm curious about what would happen if they tried taking a cognitive person out of the metaverse. The cognitive cash and items they find seem to make the jump just fine, so what would happen to a person?
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ChaosArgate posted:Now I'm curious about what would happen if they tried taking a cognitive person out of the metaverse. The cognitive cash and items they find seem to make the jump just fine, so what would happen to a person? My guess is that they just wouldn't be able to exist outside of the Metaverse. Note that not everything in the Metaverse translates 1:1 over in reality. Morgana looks like a mascot character in the Metaverse, but becomes a normal-looking cat in the real world. Okumura's Treasure was some kind of weird energy/power core thing in the Metaverse, but a normal toy model kit in the real world. The money in Kaneshiro's briefcase Treasure was worthless funny money with his portrait on it, despite the fact that pretty much every single Shadow/cognition we fight dropping real Japanese legal tender upon defeat. I guess if it was possible for a cognitive version of a person to leave the Metaverse, maybe they'd end up as like a mannequin or something?
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The precedent with treasures seems to be "the cognitive item turns into a copy of the item it's a cognition of". So, assuming that holds up, cognitive people would lose all the weirdness (like bikini Ann, etc) but continue to exist as a clone of the original.
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May 4, 2017 20:35
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only treasures continue to exist outside of the metaverse.
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Basically what I'm saying is that Akechi killing cognitive Joker was still murder
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cheetah7071 posted:Basically what I'm saying is that Akechi killing cognitive Joker was still murder It is not like it really matters. If Akechi ever got taken to court then the fucker is being executed so another corpse would not really change things.
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cheetah7071 posted:Basically what I'm saying is that Akechi killing cognitive Joker was still murder
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Hunt11 posted:It is not like it really matters. If Akechi ever got taken to court then the fucker is being executed so another corpse would not really change things. Honestly, even if Akechi confessed everything a trial around him would be an absolute shitshow. His murder method is unproven hocus-pocus, he's a minor with a huge fan following that would create a media circus, Shido himself would probably deny his involvement since the Thieves woke up his conscience, and no one else in the conspiracy knows about him or has anything linking him to the killings. The only hard piece of evidence is the phone recording that Futaba used to pull off the interrogation-room switcheroo. His SIG-Sauer could be used as evidence (I really doubt that even a Wonder Child Detective could tote around a customized silenced pistol without raising an eyebrow), except that he shot all of his victims in the magic mind-control world. He'd probably be convicted for aiding and abetting or defrauding the police or something like that, but the murders themselves? If Shido walked on those charges, then he definitely would even if he grabbed the interrogator by the throat and gave dates and times for everything. e: come to think of it, that pistol would probably get him into deeper poo poo than any of the murders themselves, since Japan's famously got no sense of humor for possession of a firearm. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 4, 2017 |
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I beat the game a while ago and I still can't get over how great the final dungeon music is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up6uoHRMG_s
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ApplesandOranges posted:So is there an actual reason Joker needs to go back home after the game? Aside from maybe 'nobody's gonna pay for his education'? Sure the cops might be watching him... but they're gonna be watching everyone. Well I mean, he does have a family that loves him.
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Meme Emulator posted:Well I mean, he does have a family that loves him. Before someone comes in here claiming Joker's parents kicked him out and don't care about him: The reason he had to go to Tokyo was because of schools not letting him in, not his parents not wanting him. Joker needed to go to school and Shujin was the best option that would accept him while he's on probation, so he had to go to Tokyo for that. His parents didn't callously cast him out or anything like that. It was either go to Tokyo or miss school, and I'm betting his probation required him to attend school. Sure, his parents never call or write on-screen, but neither did Yu's parents in Persona 4, and I don't think we were supposed to assume they were horrible monsters who hated their son. They're just not important to the story so we don't really see them calling or anything like that. It's possible he doesn't have many friends back home, and people outside his family will probably still see him as that kid who assaulted a guy, so I suspect Joker wants to go back to Tokyo to be with his actual friends once he's old enough to move out, but it's not really a surprise his parents would want him home, or even that he'd be okay going back to live with them again.
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Joker probably has contact with his parents in some form, you just never see it because it's unimportant to the story, the same way you don't see him shower or eat every day. I would have liked a nod in that direction at least once, but eh. EDIT: although in some way I'm intrigued with the possibility of having a protagonist who is on bad terms with people he already knows and having to rebuild their confidence in him. Like dealing with his parents as his hierophant or tower arcana or something. Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 22:19 on May 4, 2017 |
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after valentines day, all of the girls joker was dating probably changed tothe tower arcana.
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Harrow posted:I beat the game a while ago and I still can't get over how great the final dungeon music is I mean it was better than the mementos theme but its pretty meh
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I'm kinda disappointed the real Igor doesn't actually say anything, voiced or otherwise, if you use the Velvet Room in the final leg of the game. Edit: On the other hand, it's nice not having Caroline or Justine constantly saying stuff when you're backing in and out of a gallows sacrifice for RNG manipulation. ChaosArgate fucked around with this message at 22:55 on May 4, 2017 |
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What's been troubling me recently is, is there a fusion accident animation for Lavenza? I think the people deserve to know
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Harrow posted:I beat the game a while ago and I still can't get over how great the final dungeon music is The sixth palace exists and that's the theme that stuck with you?
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TheLoser posted:Weird little continuity goof: Joker explicitly switches back to his Shujin uniform when they go to Shido's palace so people don't see the crew and think 'oh look, a bunch of teenagers and some shady dude with his hood up' seems to me it'd be way simpler to have everyone go in casual dress so people don't ask why a bunch of students are just chilling in front of the Diet, but I never understood why SEES and the investigation team thought their school uniforms were their best outfit for demon slaying either. (other than Yasogami High's outfit being rad as gently caress)
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Apparently the Yasogami uniform is bulky enough to hide their weapons or something?  I vaguely remember Chie or Yosuke saying something to that effect at the start of P4.
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ROFL Octopus posted:The sixth palace exists and that's the theme that stuck with you? Shido's palace theme has a really cool sinister majesty, it's not quite Whims of Fate but it's still really good. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHcA3XS2nPs
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Now I want a Platinum spinoff character action game Edit: I'm picturing the scene where Raiden slices Metal Gear Ray in half, except Futaba is yelling "That's it, Joker! Shoot God in the Head!"
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