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Mechafunkzilla posted:He was probably on the Death Star when it exploded or something equally stupid. He was one of the bothans.
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Basebf555 posted:To a kid who wasn't alive in the 70s, 80s, or 90s, the effects techniques used in the OT will look just as "bad", if not more so. I was alive in the 70s born in the 60s and saw all three OT movies in their first runs and anyone who thinks that the prequels' FX have aged more poorly than the OT is out of their goddamned mind. RotJ alone has more almost laughably bad shots than all the prequels combined, shots that made 14 year old me cringe as I watched them opening weekend.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I was alive in the 70s born in the 60s and saw all three OT movies in their first runs and anyone who thinks that the prequels' FX have aged more poorly than the OT is out of their goddamned mind. RotJ alone has more almost laughably bad shots than all the prequels combined, shots that made 14 year old me cringe as I watched them opening weekend. ROTJ is rotten. The only good Star Wars movie ever made is The Empire Strikes back. So in that sense the prequels are of a piece with the series as a whole.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Apparently he was in Galaxies (the first Star Wars MMO), still junk trading. New canon doesn't seem to have done anything with him yet. that must be the most mundane life of any star wars character ever
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May 4, 2017 08:33
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Basebf555 posted:It really doesn't even matter though. If a being is programmed to feel love, or pain, or to have hopes and dreams, and then why would that being not be considered worthy of human rights? Who cares why they feel these things? Why does that make a difference? This is going to go down a rabbit hole where I get called a slave apologist or some poo poo again, but I feel it's worth noting. In The Restaraunt At The End of the Universe a cow that for better or worse wants to be eaten. The cow has an absolutely overriding desire to be eaten regardless of anything else, despite the fact that the cow also has feelings and emotions. Even though the cow has emotions and can talk, given it has no desire to be free should it be afforded the same rights as humans? So if I program a droid in such a way that it has emotions but only ever desires to serve humans should it be afforded the same level of personhood as a human that has the ability to desire to be free? Note, all of this is irrelevant as 3PO changing his programming disproves my theory that droids can be programmed in such a way that they can't defy their programming.
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What about the little robot kid in AI? Is he people?
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Yorkshire Tea posted:This is going to go down a rabbit hole where I get called a slave apologist or some poo poo again, but I feel it's worth noting. Huxley's Brave New World is an entire dystopia built on this premise- every caste in society programmed from birth to prefer their place in it. e: quote:“Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta.” quote:“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 13:21 on May 4, 2017 |
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May 4, 2017 13:00
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So are we going to get a new trailer or poster today pleeeeeaaaase
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Yorkshire Tea posted:In The Restaraunt At The End of the Universe a cow that for better or worse wants to be eaten. The cow has an absolutely overriding desire to be eaten regardless of anything else, despite the fact that the cow also has feelings and emotions. Even though the cow has emotions and can talk, given it has no desire to be free should it be afforded the same rights as humans? Yes. Yorkshire Tea posted:So if I program a droid in such a way that it has emotions but only ever desires to serve humans should it be afforded the same level of personhood as a human that has the ability to desire to be free? Also yes, and if such a thing were ever possible I'd hope it would be made illegal.
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May 4, 2017 14:18
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Being free to serve is still freedom, or so my favourite dominatrix tells me.
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sassassin posted:Being free to serve is still freedom, or so my favourite dominatrix tells me. A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... on a world called Gor! *whipcrack* 
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Basebf555 posted:Yes. See this is the thing, should we do that we can't eat the cow and the cow is then unfulfilled for the rest of its life. quote:Also yes, and if such a thing were ever possible I'd hope it would be made illegal. On this we both agree. My stance before I changed my mind was that the creation of droids themselves was abhorrent but that they were treated differently to humans was not subsequent to their creation.
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May 4, 2017 15:28
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Yorkshire Tea posted:See this is the thing, should we do that we can't eat the cow and the cow is then unfulfilled for the rest of its life. The cow should be in therapy so it can get past its issues. Should we just let people with depression and suicidal thoughts off themselves without trying to help them get better?
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So I saw a screening of Rogue One tonight at a great signle screen cinema here that has a great showing of movies http://www.astortheatre.net.au/ Anyway, big turnout tonight for May the 4th, there were some storm troopers and vader and the emperor inside the upstairs lobby collecting money for charity. Bonus Duke, the cat who lives at the cinema and walks around the place.  Anyway, before the movie, between each trailer they showed four 80s star wars commercials. One for the Kenner toys, featuring the AT-ST, one pro-vaccinations ad featuring C3-PO and an antismoking ad with R2D2 smoking and 3PO telling him off. Then they played this ad the the audience almost gave it a standing ovation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfjLZE6Pp5U Which lead into a nice 4k version of the last jedi trailer which was pretty cool and a bunch of people trying to avoid watching it because of spoilers. Movie still good.
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May 4, 2017 15:36
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Lord Hydronium posted:Apparently he was in Galaxies (the first Star Wars MMO), still junk trading. New canon doesn't seem to have done anything with him yet. Maybe Dr. Evazan was on Tatooine to sell him some of those freaky headless cyborgs he was making on Jedha.
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May 4, 2017 16:42
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Snowman_McK posted:I remember even at the time, AOTC was pretty loving impressive. We saw LOTR's partially CGI armies attack each other at night, AOTC threw two completely CGI armies at each other in the middle of the day. It was pretty cool. LOTR looked and still looks way better than the prequels. Most films do.
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RBA Starblade posted:LOTR looked and still looks way better than the prequels. Most films do. Even within the LOTR trilogy though, there's a clear difference in quality between the CG used in Fellowship of the Ring in 2001, and then in the last two films that came only a few years later. The technology was moving incredibly fast at that time.
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May 4, 2017 16:55
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On the note of LotR whatever it is about the contrast or film stock makes the film look very TV movie quality in some parts, especially the opening of the first one and its really distracting when they pingpong between good and absolutely abysmal cgi in some scenes. Plus you know, editing is a virtue that Peter Jackson apparently never learned.
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RBA Starblade posted:LOTR looked and still looks way better than the prequels. Most films do. This is where you could elaborate. The prequels generally gave better cinematography, so you are probably referring to the aesthetics of the production design - but it's impossible to tell because you then extend this to 'most films'. Most films today are, undoubtedly, selfies posted on youtube.
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Can someone explain the canonical design reasoning for the first order fn troopers vs empire tk 501st. Are they crying tears of blackness
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Alan Smithee posted:Can someone explain the canonical design reasoning for the first order fn troopers vs empire tk 501st. the what SuperMechagodzilla posted:Most films today are, undoubtedly, selfies posted on youtube. Fair; I stand corrected. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 4, 2017 |
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May 4, 2017 19:21
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Looks like he's asking why the first order helmets look different
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I think they just wanted to emphasize as much as they could in the First Order designs that this group is kinda like The Empire, but not really.
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May 4, 2017 19:26
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Because they commissioned a new design when they were founded. The First Order are Empire fanboys; they believe they can, and are trying to, be more Imperial than the Empire itself. They're not doing a very good job of it because they hate the Republic. Happy Star Wars Day, everyone. The prequels are good.
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Bongo Bill posted:Because they commissioned a new design when they were founded. The First Order are Empire fanboys; they believe they can, and are trying to, be more Imperial than the Empire itself. They're not doing a very good job of it because they hate the Republic. Like everyone else in the first film of the new trilogy, they misread Star Wars.
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May 4, 2017 19:52
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Someone might have mentioned it already, but I just got the Rogue One, The Force Awakens and 40th Anniversary A New Hope, Kindle novels on Amazon UK for 99p each
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I was about to mention it but then I thought, wait, Looke will probably want to do that themselves, so I didnt
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Thanks man 
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 I remember enjoying the new hope novel when i was young. I think the copy was from the 70s cuz it fell apart
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Alan Smithee posted:Can someone explain the canonical design reasoning for the first order fn troopers vs empire tk 501st. It's the same reason as the dumb Mega-T-Rex in Jurassic World. The "canonical design reasoning" is a contrivance built into the story to justify real-world marketing needs Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 23:25 on May 4, 2017 |
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Bongo Bill posted:The prequels are good. It's Star Wars Day not Opposite Day!
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It would make a lot more in universe sense and look a lot more interesting if the New Order, which is basically North Korea, was equipped with a mishmash of 30 year old Imperial poo poo and whatever other surplus they could get their hands on. Maybe some x wings with a grey paint job, maybe even some old Clone Wars era poo poo.
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General Dog posted:It would make a lot more in universe sense and look a lot more interesting if the New Order, which is basically North Korea, was equipped with a mishmash of 30 year old Imperial poo poo and whatever other surplus they could get their hands on. Maybe some x wings with a grey paint job, maybe even some old Clone Wars era poo poo. That basically gives them the cobbled together aesthetic of the Rebels/Resistance. Plus the New Order seem way too powerful for a direct comparison to work. Star Killer base is the most powerful super weapon ever built, NK is catching up to technology half a century old. The question of technological advancement in the SW setting is an interesting one. When the old EU was canon it seemed things were similar to antiquity where there was very slow or even nonexistent development over a very long period of time. Under Disney it is less clear if technological progress is much faster or not.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:That basically gives them the cobbled together aesthetic of the Rebels/Resistance. Which leads to another question, why is the Resistance operating with cobbled together equipment?
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Alan Smithee posted:Can someone explain the canonical design reasoning for the first order fn troopers vs empire tk 501st. its the apple aesthetic snoke is space steve jobs
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Schwarzwald posted:Which leads to another question, why is the Resistance operating with cobbled together equipment? Lack of senate funding. EU makes it clear that most of the Senate thought Leia was crazy and would mocking call the Resistance "Leia's Army."
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Schwarzwald posted:Which leads to another question, why is the Resistance operating with cobbled together equipment? Because they are a non-state actor without any formal backing, who also do not have the resources to completely convert an occupied planet into a self-sufficient fortress.
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The Force Awakens would have been better if Starkiller Base was that, a base, and the real superweapon was their army of fanatically loyal and highly trained Stormtroopers. (Finn would be its exhaust port, so to speak.)
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I just finished reading Bloodline, which is my first EU novel since Shadows of the Empire in 3rd grade. It's mindblowing how mediocre it is. Now I can die knowing I definitely haven't been missing out on the EU.
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Jewmanji posted:I just finished reading Bloodline, which is my first EU novel since Shadows of the Empire in 3rd grade. It's mindblowing how mediocre it is. Now I can die knowing I definitely haven't been missing out on the EU. That's the EU in a nutshell. You aren't going to get a Hugo award turning out books on a treadmill, especially when its genre fiction for a big franchise.
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