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iospace posted:e: how many top car series today still use NA engines? I know NASCAR does and LMP2/DPi do, but beyond those two I'm drawing a blank (though I'm also tired atm). Depends what we're calling "top" I guess. The Ex-Formula Renault 3.5 is still NA V8s, Formula 2 does this year but goes turbo next, GP3 is NA.
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iospace posted:Ok, so. Mod post inbound. You didn't gently caress up, so this isn't anything bad. Do you want an actual fact driven history lesson on why the 500 is the most prestigious race in the world? Or do you want something that people will actually read? Because I could do both. But prefer to write the latter.
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Genocide Tendency posted:Do you want an actual fact driven history lesson on why the 500 is the most prestigious race in the world? It's going to be a predictor contest, because seriously, you have three of the biggest races in each series that day and given that racing does have a decent following here, should get some good participation (I hope). So whichever you think will work best works.
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All the prestige you need is right here. Just look at these names: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MgsiN-NNEg
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iospace posted:It's going to be a predictor contest, because seriously, you have three of the biggest races in each series that day and given that racing does have a decent following here, should get some good participation (I hope). So whichever you think will work best works. whats the third race?
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iospace posted:Right now, it feels like production engines are going one of three ways: Uncle probably knows better than me (i think he works in this world), but it sure seems like Hybrids are dying unless your name is Toyota or youre making a hyper car. Pretty much every new non-truck I see these days is an I4 turbo or V6 turbo. 2017 Lexus NX, Merc GLC, Lincoln Continental, Volvo S90, etc. Unless you are reusing an older engine, really seems like everything new is I4 or V6 with a snail. Even the low end is getting them these days. 2 of the 3 Civic engines are turbos, 2 of the 3 Elantra engines. In both of those cases, thats the lowest end and highest end engine, too. Non-toyota hybrids seem to mostly be low volume greenwashing attempts to me, especially now that oil prices are low and probably staying low. Im no expert though. If you were gonna make a racecar engine spec from scratch today with an eye towards manufacturer involvement, V6 and/or I4 turbo is the way to go. I do think the current IndyCar engine, while really good, is missing something though. Obviously could use 100 or so hp on the road courses, but maybe more revs? More noise?
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I would also like to hear from someone who actually works in the industry, but it seems like if you're sincerely trying to be environmentally-friendly, the last thing in the world you want to do is produce batteries en masse.
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Cygni posted:I do think the current IndyCar engine, while really good, is missing something though. Obviously could use 100 or so hp on the road courses, but maybe more revs? More noise? I remember Michael Andretti saying that switching to methanol is an instant 150hp boost, but the series is contracted with E85R for a while
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DoctorGonzo posted:whats the third race? NASCAR Coke 600 at Charlotte.
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I'm watching Rossi warm up to throw the first pitch at the Cubs game. I wonder if there are 100 other people here who know who he is.
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KingShibby posted:I remember Michael Andretti saying that switching to methanol is an instant 150hp boost, but the series is contracted with E85R for a while It'd also be about a 30% cut in fuel range on a tank. Give 'em gumball tires to go with it.
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Lord Crapulus posted:I'm watching Rossi warm up to throw the first pitch at the Cubs game. I wonder if there are 100 other people here who know who he is. Go ask every 13 year old you can find.
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But I want to watch the whole game and not get escorted out for being creepy! Rossi threw like a 13 year old girl, that must be the connection.
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DoctorGonzo posted:whats the third race? WindyMan posted:NASCAR Coke 600 at Charlotte. This. It's the longest race in NASCAR's lineup, clocking in at 600 miles (960km). Pretty much it's one of their biggest races in terms of prestige (not the biggest, that's the Daytona 500 easily), and does the same thing as Bahrain: starts in the early evening, goes into twilight, and finishes at night. Some drivers have done both the Indy 500 and the Coke 600 in the same day, but only once has a driver finished on the lead lap of both (Tony Stewart). So for the North American race fans, you get Monaco in the morning, Indy 500 mid-day, and the Coke 600 in the evening. And all three races mean a lot to their perspective series. It's why I personally consider it the greatest day in racing (though note I said day, not 24 hours). iospace fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 4, 2017 |
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Any good YouTube channels out there with full IndyCar races?
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iospace posted:But I need your help. I'm going to be running a competition on the 28th regarding all three races, Gonna assume the other of the 'three races' on the 28th is the GTs at Snetterton? 
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wicka posted:Any good YouTube channels out there with full IndyCar races? Indycar's own channel puts up quite a few.
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Go and buy some Indycar My favorite: http://shop.ims.com/yellow-shirt-security-oyo-minifigure/
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wicka posted:Any good YouTube channels out there with full IndyCar races? Recent? INDYCAR official. For older ones I use asopher or asopher1.
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Dear IMS, please give me my orange diecast. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT 
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wicka posted:Any good YouTube channels out there with full IndyCar races? Racing Jungle and IndySnake are good.
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Minto Took posted:Racing Jungle and IndySnake are good. Asopher1 is the best.
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I'm pretty sure asopher has close to the entire run of televised CART races. What's strangely impossible to find is early IRL.
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Frye's take on why they didn't run the solid floor at Phoenix is pretty logical. Chevy didn't get a chance to test it because of Ganassi's switch, but Honda did. Hopefully next year is better. http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/140203-frye-sure-2018-aero-will-fix-phoenix-show
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I'm pretty sure asopher has close to the entire run of televised CART races. He is missing some. Like Fontana '97 and Road America 2000. But yeah it's amazingly complete. There is also ChampcarCrapwagonfan, who has the races sopher missed, with commericials though.
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Human Grand Prix posted:He is missing some. Like Fontana '97 and Road America 2000. But yeah it's amazingly complete. There is also ChampcarCrapwagonfan, who has the races sopher missed, with commericials though. Well I'm literally watching Fontana 1997 on asopher1 rn so
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I always liked that race, I thought the Hanford races were good but Fontana '97 is one of the last 500 milers that felt like a grueling attrition-fest which was always the best part of CART 500 milers. Fontana 2000 was kinda like that, too.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I always liked that race, I thought the Hanford races were good but Fontana '97 is one of the last 500 milers that felt like a grueling attrition-fest which was always the best part of CART 500 milers. also fontana 2013 which is still one of my favorite races in any series ever
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Nobody said Sage had a seat this year.
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financially racist posted:also fontana 2013 which is still one of my favorite races in any series ever
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Minto Took posted:Nobody said Sage had a seat this year. Ya, the 33 are already set pretty much. Ganassi - Honda Dixon - ? TK - NTT Chuck - Beetus Max - Papa money Penske - Chevy Sipag - Menard Newgarden - Miller Lite? Power - Verizon HCN - Pennzoil Montoya - Truck Nutz Andretti - Honda RHR - DHL Rossi - Napa (w/ Herta) Marco - UFD Sato - Honda bux Alonso - Papaya Orange (w/ McLaren) Harvey (w/ Mike Shank) SSM - Honda Hinch - Arrow Aleshin - Embezzled Funds Howard - Tony Stewarts Charity Foyt - Chevy Munoz - ABC Daly - ABC Veach - Alfe? Coyne - Honda Bourdais - Sonnys Jones - Scouts Pippa - Boobs Extortion ECR - Chevy Ed - Golf Vodka Hildebrand - Polar Bears Rahal - Honda Rahal - Penngrade Oriol - ? Juncos - Chevy Kaiser - intervision Pigot D&R - Chevy Karam - Meecum Chaves - Harding (w/ Harding Racing) Lazier - Chevy Lazier - 96 Champ in ur Fuckin Faces
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I'm pretty sure asopher has close to the entire run of televised CART races. I'm buds with him on twitter so I'm gonna ask him about it. He oddly enough has a lot of  telecasts of F1 races. I wish he had the ability to post those, but you know...F1 being anal about their media being posted and all.Human Grand Prix posted:He is missing some. Like Fontana '97 and Road America 2000. But yeah it's amazingly complete. There is also ChampcarCrapwagonfan, who has the races sopher missed, with commericials though. To add? I wanna see someone attempt to get the '96 Indy 500 and US 500 synced up so we can see how that plays out. The article I read was that IRL officials were cackling like idiots at the hosed up start.
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Cygni posted:Uncle probably knows better than me (i think he works in this world), but it sure seems like Hybrids are dying unless your name is Toyota or youre making a hyper car. Pretty much every new non-truck I see these days is an I4 turbo or V6 turbo. 2017 Lexus NX, Merc GLC, Lincoln Continental, Volvo S90, etc. Unless you are reusing an older engine, really seems like everything new is I4 or V6 with a snail. Pretty much local regulations drive what OEMs offer in that region, EV, hybrid, turbo, diesel whatever. Every company has development programs for each powertrain but due to patents and profits in reality it becomes a messy tech share orgy. Motorsports are a showcase and marketing effort primarily so the world racing series like F1 and WEC have to appeal to wide range of markets. Hybrid is perfect for that. Hybrid powertrains aren't some clearly separate and unique thing from other powertrains, but are basically a EV coupled to an ICE with a motor generator in between. So, with a single effort you can cover all markets. I think overall hybrids are in ok shape, they've really moved from specialized chassis to higher trim levels in most fleets and you probably don't even notice them driving around anymore. They actually help the most in SUVs, and while gas prices now don't help I'm sure they'll come back. If standard high throughput charging becomes better then EVs will probably supplant them. For small, affordable cars it is hard to see batteries coming in for a while - for these cars sometimes absolute profit margins become smaller than smartphones. Which is ridiculous when you compare supply chains. So reducing displacement with turbos makes sense in that class as long as the turbo is robust. Honestly a lot of the passenger car secret sauce resides in ECUs and instrumentation which is controlled strictly in every racing series. I wish there was a series which took out aero and let them try to get traction back through electronic controls. I think these days aero development costs more than these electronic solutions - its not 1994 anymore and everyone KNOWS how to do it. Then you also get back custom engine control and monitoring... If they can make the engine do more, and expose it a little so you could see that poo poo on TV, that'd be good.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I always liked that race, I thought the Hanford races were good but Fontana '97 is one of the last 500 milers that felt like a grueling attrition-fest which was always the best part of CART 500 milers. Yeah this poo poo was totally nonsense. Cars dropping like flies. Couple invisible methanol fires. Classic ESPN Speedworld theme currently playing. All around an A+ race.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVDGiF97gvc It's really weird how the traditions of IndyCar racing and the Indy 500 proper are looked at by the f1 community. I don't mean this in a "HURR DURR SNOOTY EUROPEANS" way. Like...any IndyCar driver from overseas would kinda pipe up in a conversation that these guys are going on about and be as proud as a guy like AJ Foyt about the traditions that the "500" has. (Dario, TK, Helio, etc). Like to see someone be amazed about the drinking of the milk? that's kinda confusing to me. Like it's so ingrained in racing, hell sports culture at this point.
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the drinking of the milk is retarded and Emerson Fittipaldi is the greatest 500 winner ever
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Proud Christian Mom posted:the drinking of the milk is retarded Counterpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj4fn8DTugA&t=2m19s
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Proud Christian Mom posted:the drinking of the milk is retarded Tony Montana sockpuppet spotted
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RjbYohogN4 Yo Cygni. Any thing this guy is missing? He seems pretty thorough, but I imagine you have some info about how the engine was developed.
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