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ukle posted:Currently Tories have gained 138 seats and the first Metro Mayor (Bristol etc), Labour has lost 121 and UKIP have lost every seat so far. LD's are also lost 20 odd seats. The GE is going to be a massacre.
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Just read that Prince Philip will go on pension with 96. Probably gonna be the norm for everybody post-brexit.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/9df67e0e-cf05-4eaa-91ce-0f5527e97d14/derbyshire-county-council If this falls to the Tories then we will know labour are truly hosed. It would take some form of catastrophic gently caress up for People who live in houses built by the coal board to vote Tory.
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May 5, 2017 08:11
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spectralent posted:Said woman provided the answer here, too: "You watch all these programs like benefit street..." It's a classic tax trap and although most people don't earn that much it still applies to more people than the benefits nonsense does. But none of the temporarily-embarrassed rich people who vote Theresa May Party give a poo poo
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serious gaylord posted:The GE is going to be a massacre.
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Skarsnik posted:Well Cardiff seems to have come off ok at least, phew
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TACD posted:The Graun had an article with basically the same conclusion; pointing out that while people are starting to reject global capitalism, only the far right is claiming to offer an alternative. The left (other than Corbyn who of course is just a silly jam man) are now just promising to sustain the status quo instead of seizing on the rare opportunity to offer positive change. *Except it isn't because even Labour is pro-Brexit now
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Namtab posted:Hope is real, like anime
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Pesmerga posted:The centre-left is dead (and has been since the 80s, they just committed the longest, slowest suicide ever since). it's just a question of what we can replace it with. Look in your heart, you already know the answer to that. Fascism
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May 5, 2017 08:44
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serious gaylord posted:The GE is going to be a massacre. Almost certainly but I really hope people actually turn up to the GE. It looks like in the locals basically only tories did. Turnout is low even on top of the usual lowness of locals. We're proper hosed if the proportion of swing is roughly the same in people who didn't show up though but I doubt it.
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Namtab posted:Corbyn is left of centre Corbyn is finished. Regardless of my personal feelings about him, between this and the general election, this will be used as an indictment of any policy further left than Thatcherism. We will end up with a Macron-esque leader of the Labour Party (lol, as if there's anyone that charismatic, and I say that as someone who intensely dislikes Macron), and the cycle will repeat.
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spectralent posted:Almost certainly but I really hope people actually turn up to the GE. It looks like in the locals basically only tories did. Turnout is low even on top of the usual lowness of locals. Turnout is up about 5% on 2013. Turnout is only low in the mayoral elections.
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May 5, 2017 08:58
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Violent revolution is the only solution
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Serotonin posted:Violent revolution is the only solution Because your ideology/policies are not supported by a majority of the population?
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gently caress off, Nazi.
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My vote was not enough to push UKIP out of second, but all the turncoat Tories were enough to take them down elsewhere. Every cloud also has another cloud behind it.
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GaussianCopula posted:Because your ideology/policies are not supported by a majority of the population? You Nazi oval office. gently caress off Tried putting on the results program but can't manage to give a shite until we start getting Scottish results in. Sorry England and Wales, your election results are too depressing to watch.
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forkboy84 posted:You Nazi oval office. gently caress off
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If you think the Tories have done well now, imagine what another month of STRONG AND STABLE will do for them !!
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ukle posted:Turnout is up about 5% on 2013. At this point it's a silver lining that Labour voters are staying home rather than actively defecting. For all the doom and gloom in the thread, Labour can still start winning any time it decides it wants to win.
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Paul.Power posted:I'm not going to call them great, but the Wales results could have been a whole lot worse. At this point 3 Welsh Labour councillors will be judged as "could have been worse". Obviously there are problems much deeper than the leader, but if these results are repeated in June then we're going to have another leadership election and the Tories will get on with loving everyone poorer than them.
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Alchenar posted:At this point it's a silver lining that Labour voters are staying home rather than actively defecting. For all the doom and gloom in the thread, Labour can still start winning any time it decides it wants to win. Cheers Tony.
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forkboy84 posted:At this point 3 Welsh Labour councillors will be judged as "could have been worse". Yvette cooper is definitely going to get people voting labour
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https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/860391216608890880 https://twitter.com/NickCohen4/status/860376035157737472
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May 5, 2017 09:49
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Did he get 40 glasses of jam from the neoliberal cabal to destroy Labour?
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https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/860413994322075648 I'm sure this will help.
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Jose posted:Yvette cooper is definitely going to get people voting labour Yvette Cooper would have been a poor leader who'd refuse to tackle the Tories but we'd not be set for annual leadership elections and Labour wouldn't have a leader with next to no PLP support. Which is a thing that matters unfortunately.
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Jose posted:Yvette cooper is definitely going to get people voting labour Yes, she will definitely get more people voting Labour than Jeremy Corbyn can.
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Serotonin posted:Violent revolution is the only solution This, pretty much. The system that exists in the UK will not allow anything approaching actual competition. It ensures this largely through media control. Corbyn could be replaced by the fantastic super leftie no-one seems to be able to find, given the best of PR teams and it wouldn't make a difference in real terms at all. The media that is owned by the corporations will not suddenly start reporting favourably on socialist policies- the nationalisation of businesses privatised and pimped out by their masters, for example- not even if it's presented in snappy soundbites by a gormless smile in a suit. The only way for favourable coverage is for the policies proffered to be favourable to those providing and orchestrating the coverage- but even when you attempt centrist plp populism like renowned heart breaker "red ed" milliband did, the policies will still be called "sixth form socialist nonsense" and "too left wing"- even after they had those racist mugs for sale and promised at least a moderate round up of foreigns. The system favours ever more control, and the tools of fascism- skillfully woven hatred and lies- gives them that in droves over this overwhelmingly and increasingly thick, racist nation. The tories offer the further exploitation of such fertile grounds. Expecting such tools to be of use in our salvation is pointless. It all has to go. No idea how though, and of course organising such thoughts and efforts becomes quickly problematic what with rapidly getting arrested for plotting the violent overthrow of the state, but I'm keen, mind. DesperateDan fucked around with this message at 09:59 on May 5, 2017 |
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This feels like the inevitable end result of a nation with an empire-shaped stick still wedged three feet up its arsehole. Where America has temporarily embarrassed millionaires, we have temporarily embarrassed lords, who frustratedly expect things to be done by someone else as if by magic and only want to engage in politics as much as necessary to shout down anyone making life difficult with things like nuance, compromise and collective responsibility. No wonder 'strong and stable' has gotten such a foothold, what with Labour eating itself. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 10:00 on May 5, 2017 |
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AP posted:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/860413994322075648 the English don't like when their language supremacy is threatened
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What a truly terrible country.
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It's ok the saviour is here https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/860180941385461760
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peanut- posted:Yes, she will definitely get more people voting Labour than Jeremy Corbyn can.
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Serotonin posted:Violent revolution is the only solution Agreed. Well, doesn't have to be totally violent, but it's certainly a useful weapon to have in the back pocket. Don't rule out the power of a strike. We should do more to make syndicalism a thing again in the 21st century. GaussianCopula posted:Did he get 40 glasses of jam from the neoliberal cabal to destroy Labour? gently caress off Nazi. Doctor_Fruitbat posted:This feels like the inevitable end result of a nation with an empire-shaped stick still wedged three feet up its arsehole. Where America has temporarily embarrassed millionaires, we have temporarily embarrassed lords, who frustratedly expect things to be done by someone else as if by magic and only want to engage in politics as much as necessary to shout down anyone making life difficult with things like nuance, compromise and collective responsibility. Nah, this is a misreading of the country. It's not that they are temporarily embarrassed lords, it's that they are just terrified of change. Any change, even change for the good is bad because change is dirty word to a majority of this country right now. It's not that they think they will one day be part of the aristocracy so much as just the peasants recognising their place. DesperateDan posted:No idea how though, and of course organising such thoughts and efforts becomes quickly problematic what with rapidly getting arrested for plotting the violent overthrow of the state, but I'm keen, mind. Well, there's pre-existing organisations which have large memberships but often don't have great turnout at internal elections. Trade unions. You don't start with a violent revolution. You start with a strike. Which becomes an illegal general strike. And then you go from there. (Hi GCHQ) Ewan posted:It's ok the saviour is here
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Zephro posted:I'm not totally convinced by this. The status quo that the left is defending* is Britain's membership of a big trading bloc that imposes tariffs on those outside the bloc and has strong protections for workers inside it. The right, in its penetrating critique of global capitalism, wants to blow all that up and turn Britain into a rainier Somalia, because this will make us all rich. Take immigration. We keep getting upset that this country is stupid and racist but the only narratives on offer appear to be 'immigration needs to be brought under control' and 'immigrants all need to be deported immediately'. If none of the major parties is offering a positive message on immigration then it's hardy surprising that people don't write that narrative for themselves. Pesmerga posted:Corbyn is finished. Regardless of my personal feelings about him, between this and the general election, this will be used as an indictment of any policy further left than Thatcherism.
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DesperateDan posted:This, pretty much. Bang on. The system is rigged in capitals favour. Engaging with the system is not how socialism wins.
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TACD posted:Corbyn's policies have always been popular, it's his character that gets attacked. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people don't really know what his policies are. Policies don't matter when it comes to winning elections though. Or rather they do but only if they can be turned into a overly simplistic soundbite to be repeated on the telly news for the rest of the day. People are obsessed with the idea of a strong leader.
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