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Ewan posted:maybe less of the violent revolution wank fantasies though please gently caress off and go read some amusing Prince Philip anecdotes liberal
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forkboy84 posted:Brian, mate. Having one of your songs used in a party political broadcast doesn't actually qualify you for leadership. He is better qualified to be an MP than almost all 'current' MP's. He is also presentable, a very good debater and he can use the best political song ever made without issue. Only issue is he would still need to do his bit on 6 Music, that is mandatory.
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Ewan posted:maybe less of the violent revolution wank fantasies though please More people coming to accept that extra-parliamentary paths to socialism are the only viable paths is a good thing.
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jabby posted:There are definitely good reasons to fall out with Corbyn, but during a time when the leadership has been desperately struggling for supportive MPs I think you've got to have a very good reason to add to their problems. Nandy supported the coup against Corbyn, which killed her chances of getting my vote. Lewis I could understand leaving shadow cabinet over Europe but defying the whip over the snap election vote just seemed pointless. When you say Corbyn's legacy what do you mean?
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May 5, 2017 10:14
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Ewan posted:It's ok the saviour is here
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Breath Ray posted:When you say Corbyn's legacy what do you mean? Probably going to be having fewer MPs than at any point since 1935.
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Jose posted:Yvette cooper is definitely going to get people voting labour DesperateDan posted:No idea how though, and of course organising such thoughts and efforts becomes quickly problematic what with rapidly getting arrested for plotting the violent overthrow of the state, but I'm keen, mind.  forkboy84 posted:Agreed. Well, doesn't have to be totally violent, but it's certainly a useful weapon to have in the back pocket. Don't rule out the power of a strike. We should do more to make syndicalism a thing again in the 21st century. Either that or we'll all just starve to death in the gutter clinging to our British individualism for warmth.
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Successful peaceful protest is always backed by the threat of violence. It's not so much "Do this please, it's the correct and good thing", than "Do this correct and good thing with us peacefully, here, now, or do it with them painfully and bloodily later". That's not a violent rebellion wank-fantasy, that's just how it is.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Well I'm convinced. I'll start printing the "We ❤ Cox" t-shirts. Labour MPs reveal Cox Or wait is that just Simon Danzcuk?
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forkboy84 posted:Nah, this is a misreading of the country. It's not that they are temporarily embarrassed lords, it's that they are just terrified of change. Any change, even change for the good is bad because change is dirty word to a majority of this country right now. It's not that they think they will one day be part of the aristocracy so much as just the peasants recognising their place. The vote to leave the EU seems like a vote for change! forkboy84 posted:Probably going to be having fewer MPs than at any point since 1935. Perhaps but I think jabby had something else in mind
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May 5, 2017 10:24
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Breath Ray posted:The vote to leave the EU seems like a vote for change! Yeah I was gonna say. When offered a choice between "familiar stability" and "a plunge into the unknown everyone says is bad but will probably have less muslims", people went with the second one. A lot of people in this country actively want bad things to happen.
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Serotonin posted:gently caress off and go read some amusing Prince Philip anecdotes liberal Democratic Socialism is a panacea to uppity left wingers, much the same as peaceful protest. You will never change the superstructure if you do not deal with the base first.
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May 5, 2017 10:28
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big scary monsters posted:Apropos of nothing but my idle twitter browsing: this explains a lot
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TACD posted:Corbyn's policies have always been popular, it's his character that gets attacked. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people don't really know what his policies are. That's because for the most part they're Miliband's policies given a gloss of red paint. e: ps. you might have guessed I'm against the violent revolution wank fantasy, not just on principle grounds but you might also reflect that a problem the left has is that it takes one shot at winning an election, is set to lose not because of policy or ideology but because of a long string of unforced errors, and rather than want to fix it and try again you all immediately want to give up and go home and dream dreams of the revolution to come. That's why you don't win. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 10:35 on May 5, 2017 |
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Brian Cox, Prime Minister would be something to see. I have no idea what his policies are but it'd be nice to have someone not completely scientifically illiterate running things for a change.Alchenar posted:That's because for the most part they're Miliband's policies given a gloss of red paint. Miliband was also totally willing to throw migrants under a bus though. The fact Corbyn wasn't is good (and the fact that anyone who isn't might be hosed is a damning verdict on the country).
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Serotonin posted:Bang on. The system is rigged in capitals favour. Engaging with the system is not how socialism wins. I think a slick, populist, left-wing message could cut through and win. That doesn't obviate the need for strong extra-parliamentary political action as well though. Breath Ray posted:The vote to leave the EU seems like a vote for change! For a lot of people, it was a vote to roll back change.
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spectralent posted:Brian Cox, Prime Minister would be something to see. I have no idea what his policies are but it'd be nice to have someone not completely scientifically illiterate running things for a change.
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Alertrelic posted:I think a slick, populist, left-wing message could cut through and win. What on earth do you base that on?
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ukle posted:He is better qualified to be an MP than almost all 'current' MP's. He is also presentable, a very good debater and he can use the best political song ever made without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGe6-xzbISw Actually, can the Socialist Republic of Britain have a death metal national anthem? that'd make for a fun Olympics.
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May 5, 2017 10:40
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They should draw straws for the next Labour leader imho. At least they'd be sure to do better than Corbyn.
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May 5, 2017 10:44
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AP posted:They should draw straws for the next Labour leader imho. [citation needed]
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May 5, 2017 10:47
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AP posted:They should draw straws for the next Labour leader imho.
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Kurtofan posted:the English don't like when their language supremacy is threatened I'm not natively english speaking and I don't like it either
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spectralent posted:Brian Cox, Prime Minister would be something to see. I have no idea what his policies are but it'd be nice to have someone not completely scientifically illiterate running things for a change. It'd almost certainly be technocratic neoliberalism, which has a clear history of success.
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/leaked-document-reveals-uk-plans-for-wider-internet-surveillance/quote:The UK government is planning to push greater surveillance powers that would force internet providers to monitor communications in near-realtime and install backdoor equipment to break encryption, according to a leaked document.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I'm not natively english speaking and I don't like it either anglo loving dog
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Look, it's obvious that was one of May's pet fash laws. She's hardly going to give up on it now, is she.
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Kurtofan posted:anglo loving dog Listen I dun learnt english gud and I don't want to start over ok
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Serotonin posted:What on earth do you base that on? You need to alternative venues for the message. I'd propose using Labour's vast sums of cash and largely inactive membership to build new media organisations, and possibly think tanks, as well as providing direct services on the ground were possible and working on rebuilding trade unions. That gives you the people, the data and the stories you need to start controlling how events are framed and it lets you take the initiative, rather than having to rely on Diane Abbot radio interviews or the literal fascists who choose Question Time audiences. Its not impossible, we did it in Scotland with gently caress all money and barely any time, but that was obviously in the context of the referendum. And there are fair arguments to be made there about the relative threat that independence poses to capital, compared to the prospect of a socialist UK. Fact is, long-term institutional power and at least some influence over the national media landscape is going to be necessary regardless of whether you believe in an electoral or extra-parliamentary approach.
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dispatch_async posted:http://www.zdnet.com/article/leaked-document-reveals-uk-plans-for-wider-internet-surveillance/ Better article on this on the reg : https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/04/uk_bulk_surveillance_powers_draft/ If it goes through it would stop almost all significant mobile app development happening in the UK, and could well result in some big names moving various software development out of the UK. Unfortunately it will go through as Glorious Leader has been wanting it for years.
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https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/860432151895998464 well then
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Alertrelic posted:You need to alternative venues for the message. I'd propose using Labour's vast sums of cash and largely inactive membership to build new media organisations, and possibly think tanks, as well as providing direct services on the ground were possible and working on rebuilding trade unions. That gives you the people, the data and the stories you need to start controlling how events are framed and it lets you take the initiative, rather than having to rely on Diane Abbot radio interviews or the literal fascists who choose Question Time audiences. Reasonable response, thanks. What you suggest canny ever happen within current structures of Labour party though
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whats even the point if you can't get 30% turnout https://twitter.com/LGiU/status/860...-scotland-wales
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Alertrelic posted:I'd propose using Labour's vast sums of cash [...] to build [..] tanks
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