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Failboattootoot posted:Hmm, if Esuna gets bumped to the general skill pool then I wonder if they are going to remove the cross class skill cap? I would hate to have to spend a slot on esuna, at least on sch and ast. I think the idea of the cross-class skills is that they're something everyone gets at level rather than being in a pool. That's the impression I get at least
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Failboattootoot posted:Hmm, if Esuna gets bumped to the general skill pool then I wonder if they are going to remove the cross class skill cap? I would hate to have to spend a slot on esuna, at least on sch and ast.
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May 5, 2017 02:07
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Yeah, that's how it sounds to me. In the new system, every healer will just learn Esuna at 18, rather than conjurers learning Esuna and astrologians learning Esuna But With A Different Name (and scholars getting the shaft until 40).
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May 5, 2017 02:14
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Hmm the way I interpreted it was that the basic cross class skill system (pick 10/5 skills) would be in place but they would be homogenized by role and no longer tied to levelling another job. So all the melee dps would get aqccess to blood for blood regardless of lancer level but would still have to decide to slot it.
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May 5, 2017 02:39
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Either way it sounds like it's being split up by role, yeah. Tank, healer, melee dps, ranged dps, judging from the comments on how MCH/BRD will share cross-class skills with the casters.
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May 5, 2017 03:04
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homeless snail posted:That's assuming that there's still a cross class system as such, and isn't just replaced with a fat pool of abilities that's shared per role. This would make a lot more sense and be easier for them to balance around.
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May 5, 2017 03:40
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Any ideas what the new feature being hinted at on the Instagram is? Reddit is begging for the return of Hamlet defense. 
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Mordiceius posted:Any ideas what the new feature being hinted at on the Instagram is? Reddit is begging for the return of Hamlet defense. Hamlet Defense returning wouldn't be so bad if it was just more of a long duration FATE with a large pay out, rather than a literal days event with crap rewards. 10 minute prepare timer, 20 minutes of action, with a boss fate pop at the end if all the defend objectives haven't been wiped out. Give like 1/3-1/2 of a relative dungeon exp reward. Basically Highbridge or Redbelly Hive, with just a bit more thrown in. Skaw fucked around with this message at 04:14 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 04:05
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Maybe this was mentioned, but Amazon has a Stormblood Complete Collection pre-order up which gets you FFXIV + Heavensward + Stormblood for $48 ($60 minus the 20% prime gives if you have it) right now. It's a pretty reasonable price to escape Steam if you were trapped there years ago. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071CMXD5H/
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May 5, 2017 05:30
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah, that's how it sounds to me. In the new system, every healer will just learn Esuna at 18, rather than conjurers learning Esuna and astrologians learning Esuna But With A Different Name (and scholars getting the shaft until 40). Luckily the real healer until 40 gets aoe esuna at 20.
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May 5, 2017 06:21
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i mean there are lots of people who don't really care about paying 10-15 dollars more, especially since half the poo poo i buy on steam is financed through selling dota 2 sets to idiots I fall into the demographic of people who aren't going to lose a wink of sleep over 15 bucks. If games cost like $100 and I was missing out on a 60% off deal I'd probably be annoyed. My only real wish is that MMO's would feed into steams patch ecosystem. Which I realize is honestly probably too much to ask.
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May 5, 2017 06:28
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Steam also has like 2.0 release version of the client so you'll be downloading pretty sizeable patches come Stormblood.
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May 5, 2017 06:52
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I'd just like to point out that none of these issues appear to be steam's fault, as many other games and mmos live in steam just fine, including buying the game on steam and then buying expansions on not steam.
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May 5, 2017 06:55
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Yeah, Squeenix is probably just unhappy about having to give a cut to Valve for every game bought on steam and wants to make it really clear what is and isn't going to them.
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SE still does regular sales for all owned IP on Steam tho so idgi
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Asimo posted:Yeah, Squeenix is probably just unhappy about having to give a cut to Valve for every game bought on steam and wants to make it really clear what is and isn't going to them. If that were the case, they'd give me a $20 option to cut myself free from Steam and just run a standalone PC account. God knows I haven't fired up steam in ages, and the hundreds of dollars in steam credit I had from selling dota poo poo is long gone.
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I finally got Bard unlocked today  Sombody earlier mentioned that it was kind of a trap of a class? So i shoulden't be using it then? I kinda like the idea of being ranged DPS/suppor though.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I finally got Bard unlocked today There's nothing wrong with Bard as a class, it's just the playstyle suddenly shifts in the mid 50's from being extremely mobile into caster style play.
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May 5, 2017 09:58
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Yeah, if you hate casters then pull out now since it gets way less fun post-50. If you don't really care about that then keep on chugging away, it's still fairly easy to play and surprisingly strong at 60.
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My first ranged non-caster DPS to 60 was Mechanist and I actually started to like it way after Gauss Barrel (aka turret mode with cast bars). Maybe it helps I already have SMN and BLM at cap but I don't see a problem with the castbars. Sure it's fun to just run around and taking potshots but since MCH plays around managing your RNG rotation and Wildfire optimization running around feels secondary to that.
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jyrque posted:My first ranged non-caster DPS to 60 was Mechanist and I actually started to like it way after Gauss Barrel (aka turret mode with cast bars). Maybe it helps I already have SMN and BLM at cap but I don't see a problem with the castbars. Sure it's fun to just run around and taking potshots but since MCH plays around managing your RNG rotation and Wildfire optimization running around feels secondary to that. I hated the change in Bard to a caster. All the additions felt clunky, except the DOT refresh. Cool, more GCDs and a weird one with a cast bar. I didn't feel the reward to effort ratio was in my favor. I then swapped to BLM, despite hating casters in MMOs and started having way more fun. But hey, as long as you have fun go with it. Everything may change in a month, so I'd keep leveling it. It has the top tier hat glamours (at least until Red Mage eats its lunch), which is the real end game anyway.
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Mechanist at least has the ability to forgo cast times temporarily for a time in their main rotation so that helps. Also you have just two ticking abilities (Hot shot and the single DOT) with a slew of OGCD abilities so it's not like you're constantly looking at castbars. Just for your 1-2-3 combo. 
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I'd like to learn the EX versions of the Warring Triads, and potentially start getting some ZurvEX clears towards an i265 weapon. Is there anyone on Excalibur that would be interested in running those tomorrow afternoon US time? Anywhere between noon and 5pm EDT would work as a start time, but I'm EU so we can't really start any later than 5pm. 
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May 5, 2017 12:27
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I'll probably be on tomorrow, I'm kinda done with Factorio for now and I'm down for any of the triads. I've done all the phases for all 3, but only ever cleared sophia though.
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May 5, 2017 12:30
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I'm up for some HW EX clears, and am EU newbie as well. Holler at DGKK and I'll join.
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Hey Talon Frey, I grabbed all the materials for the gathering set. I'll hit you up whenever you're on and if you have time.
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People who say bard is bad are only saying that because they were extremely triggered by the fact that it got cast times in heavensward instead of staying incredibly broken. The class is good and fun at 60. I probably slightly prefer machinist, but it's very close.
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Guys! We've got a gamebreaker. Who's gonna be the first to spell "BAD" in their next 24-man come Stormblood?
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Honestly as somebody who raided in 2.0 and 3.0 as brd, don't let anybody talk you out of the job. Going back and doing lvl 50 content feels pretty boring now, I feel brd is way better at 60 than it was at 50. WM is fantastic just for the ability to refresh your dots together. And the resulting never running out of TP is really nice. WM is a toggle rather than a cast spell, so you can turn it on and off as you need. I personally leave it off when I'm questing or the like in the open world as I'd rather jump about and who cares if a mob takes 2 seconds more to die. If you want to really minmax you can turn it on and off during encounters too. Its a change in the playstyle, but its not as dramatic as one as it seems at first. It sucks that WM is basically pointless to use when you first get it, it really needs Iron Jaws (the dot refresh) to feel remotely complete. WM has some issues, and the MCH ability is much more well integrated into the job, but again, if you enjoy baby brd just keep going! That being said at HW launch WM was godawful, so I don't blame anybody who bailed from brd then, it was pretty dire.
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Today I learned that I have to try and successfully complete the Highbridge FATEs again because the merchant that shows up when you do it sells an orchestrion roll now. It plays the burning wall music, which I love.
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Bard is still pretty mobile even with Wanderers Minuet. The cast times are only 3/5s of your GCD, and because of the way the game handles casting you can start moving with half a second remaining on your timer. That comes out to literally less than a second of forced standing still with pretty much any amount of skill speed. Learning this stutterstep is incredibly useful. For now, you can also cross class Feint for attacking on the move while keeping Minuet up as well, as the cast times only apply to Bard weaponskills, while the damage boost is universal. This may no longer be an option come Stormblood however, and if it's replaced by a skill that ignores Minuets cast time caveat is also unknown. So I wouldn't lean on that quite so hard. Will you find this fun however? I can't say. Try Palace of the Dead out to get an idea how it'll feel. As a new player it's probably less of a shake up for transitioning in to the different style of gameplay Minuet offers than it was for the years old vets entering Heavensward. Skaw fucked around with this message at 16:45 on May 5, 2017 |
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Guys! We've got a gamebreaker. This is loving amazing
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Bard at 50 might be basically a caster, but they're also the highest DPS class in the highest DPS composition on the game, iirc. MCH might be better if you don't have a party catering to you.
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I played MCH at HW launch, got to 57 and went to level my BRD to 60. While the changes in playstyle at 50 is Jarring, I would agree that it feels much better at 60. I also love dropping 3 Emp Arrows while fully buffed for like 9k Damage every few minutes.
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Man, it is absurd how big a difference Provoke makes to tanking feeling good. I finally got around to grinding it out and it's the difference between Dark Knight being fun and Dark Knight being Fun sometime.
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Guys! We've got a gamebreaker. Finally.
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:Guys! We've got a gamebreaker. Yoshi-P is finally giving us the D. Alternately, spell out DAB so you can stand in front of it doing your Posing Ranger emotes.
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Skills like Provoke, Swiftcast, BfB and Raging Strikes are the reason why we badly need a skill workaround in SB. They are so useful to a number of jobs that they are practically a necessity and yet it's possible to enter content without them and get yelled at even though the game never encourages you to go out of your way to get them.
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provoke is either required or useless. i can't think of content where provoke makes a difference, you either need it somewhere or you don't.
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I don't think there's any casual content in the game that requires provoke. At times they've actually designed around the idea that not every tank will have provoke, which is why Echidna's snakes just automatically have threat on a different tank.
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