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All I ask is to not be forced into reading the words "Ransolm Casterfo" 12 times a page.
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Every so often I'll read an EU novel. The only one that I didn't want to burn was Darth Play-gas. I give it 2 stars.
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May 5, 2017 03:44
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I read the first Thrawn trilogy by Zahn. It was actually really fun. Bit of a cop out ending, though. I guess that's the problem with creating a really good villain, it's really hard to write their defeat.
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May 5, 2017 04:22
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Schwarzwald posted:Which leads to another question, why is the Resistance operating with cobbled together equipment? The bigger question is why the First Order is so well funded. At risk of repeating myself, it's a big problem that our apparent Big Bad for the new movies basically materializes out of nowhere, has incoherent motivations, and can just pull ships, armies, and planet sized superweapons out of its rear end. The fact that it's probably been explained in some book doesn't mitigate the fact that it doesn't make a drat bit of sense. General Dog fucked around with this message at 05:08 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 04:53
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I love Traitor, and think it justifies the existence of the New Jedi Order books (terrible as they were). Actually, I'm gonna go even further and say that I like the overall plot of New Jedi Order and maybe as many as 5 of the books in it. There, now I am ashamed.
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May 5, 2017 05:12
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General Dog posted:The bigger question is why the First Order is so well funded. My guess is that they commandeered/occupied an Imperial factory planet. They get their materiel the same place they get their recruits and their fashion sense: plundering. They're bandits. And their motivations are pretty clear: nostalgia for fascism.
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May 5, 2017 05:21
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General Dog posted:The bigger question is why the First Order is so well funded. As I recall, they are supported by the "centrist" faction of the Republic.
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May 5, 2017 05:46
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General Dog posted:The bigger question is why the First Order is so well funded. Yeah, I'm really fuckin' salty over this. They'll never have another chance to explain this in the next two movies!!
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May 5, 2017 05:52
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Yeah, I'm really fuckin' salty over this. They'll never have another chance to explain this in the next two movies!! They do explain it in Force Awakens; there are technically enough bits of expository dialogue that you can piece together and infer things from. The issue is that they do an insanely bad job of it - by, for example, telling half the story with vague expository dialogue.
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May 5, 2017 06:08
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General Dog posted:The bigger question is why the First Order is so well funded. I know they wanted to have it be fast paced and not have any talk of political disputes to disassociate it from the prequels, but they cut like a succinct rant from Leia that clarified all of this. I'm sure someone can find the quote somewhere but it was when the rest of our characters first meet up with her and she's basically like "look my hands are tied we have to fund the resistance under the table while the order builds up via ____ and then this happened" and it was brief but basically gave you everything you need to know about the major factions.
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May 5, 2017 06:18
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There's an entire cut subplot about Leias agent debating with the senate. You see the full cast of that subplot as the republic homework is about to pop. That's them looking up, aghast. The jist is this from what I have gathered. The first order is founded on the fringes of space. A number of now republic planets declare for the first order and their population pretty much up and leaves at some point. The first order under treaty as a continuation of the empire must not rearm. Totally does. The republic doesn't have an appetite for a fight after the civil war. Doesn't intervene in force despite evidence of build up. Some money gets back channelled to some lady who is convinced a real fight is coming. The first order is tiny compared to the empire, but I guess tiny on a galactic scale is still mega engineering projects, and when those projects are the main way your series have demonstrated overwhelming odds and power? I really can't believe those scenes were cut though given how much of the plot was in them ShineDog fucked around with this message at 13:55 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 07:23
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So quite similar to the emergence of the Third Reich. The only thing missing is a Soviet Union that the Senate initially thinks the rise of the First Order is a bulwark against. It's a little weird the emergence of Palpatine's Empire was also based on the emergence of the Third Reich but is now also the Second Reich to the First Order's Third. There's no real world allegory for the Senate world being blown up though so that could go interesting places. Very interesting people are expecting VIII to be the dark middle chapter when the First Order achieved a major victory in VII, it can't get that much darker.
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May 5, 2017 08:47
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I'm expecting the Republic to go all "Sleeping Giant" and go on a massive war campaign against the First Order, who gets it poo poo kicked in. It's the only response that makes sense.
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May 5, 2017 09:14
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm expecting the Republic to go all "Sleeping Giant" and go on a massive war campaign against the First Order, who gets it poo poo kicked in. It's the only response that makes sense. Will they use clones or droids this time?
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May 5, 2017 09:20
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm expecting the Republic to go all "Sleeping Giant" and go on a massive war campaign against the First Order, who gets it poo poo kicked in. It's the only response that makes sense. There entire fleet was destroyed in the last film. It's back to the status quo now of scrappy underdogs versus massive empire. In the new film the Last Order has Sheev class Star Destroyers which can blow up entire worlds and are the biggest ship ever seen in a Star Wars movie. How? Who cares; it's like that big ship in Empire only bigger!
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May 5, 2017 09:38
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PriorMarcus posted:There entire fleet was destroyed in the last film. It's back to the status quo now of scrappy underdogs versus massive empire. The First Order is, supposedly, tiny while the Republic is pretty much the rest of the Galaxy. This was basically Super Pearl Harbor, and there's no way they can't use the rage at having your capital destroyed in an unprovoked attack to recruit a massive army and recreate an even bigger fleet. Imagine the US's reaction to 9/11, except even stronger because Washington got nuked instead.
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May 5, 2017 09:47
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General Dog posted:It would make a lot more in universe sense and look a lot more interesting if the New Order, which is basically North Korea, was equipped with a mishmash of 30 year old Imperial poo poo and whatever other surplus they could get their hands on. Maybe some x wings with a grey paint job, maybe even some old Clone Wars era poo poo. If there's a real world parallel the First Order more closely resembles ISIS as a combative force. In this case the Republic parallels the U.S. and the West in that ISIS is a known threat for a long time, but because of war weariness they can't directly intervene. So the First Order starts arming itself more significantly and gets more dangerous until the Republic picks out a proxy actor in the region to arm which is the Resistance. Unfortunately all of this is too little too late and the First Order explodes onto the scene causing a tonne of damage. I don't know how in Star Wars you parallel that visually since I've no idea what the Star Wars equivalent of a pickup truck with a machine gun on it is.
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May 5, 2017 10:22
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I don't know how in Star Wars you parallel that visually since I've no idea what the Star Wars equivalent of a pickup truck with a machine gun on it is. The Millenium Falcon.
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May 5, 2017 10:34
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Something that always bothered me about ANH: How can the Empire afford all this? How are they funded? Where did they get the money to build a custom planet?
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May 5, 2017 13:09
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UmOk posted:Something that always bothered me about ANH: How can the Empire afford all this? How are they funded? Where did they get the money to build a custom planet? https://arxiv.org/pdf/1511.09054v1.pdf
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May 5, 2017 13:15
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UmOk posted:Something that always bothered me about ANH: How can the Empire afford all this? How are they funded? Where did they get the money to build a custom planet? It's the government, the wealth and resources of the entire galaxy are at its disposal, hth. This is in notable contrast to the First Order, which is essentially a collection of 30-something cosplayers squatting in a small corner of the galaxy that's apparently lovely enough that the Republic's formal stance is, "yeah keep it, that's fine just don't make a mess". General Dog fucked around with this message at 13:57 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 13:51
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I wonder if starkiller base was an imperial project they just finished up or something
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May 5, 2017 13:57
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UmOk posted:Something that always bothered me about ANH: How can the Empire afford all this? How are they funded? Where did they get the money to build a custom planet? Space taxes
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UmOk posted:Something that always bothered me about ANH: How can the Empire afford all this? How are they funded? Where did they get the money to build a custom planet? The question of how an absolute monarchy can raise the funds to build pointless boondoggle projects is a question you wrestle with?
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May 5, 2017 15:39
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I assumed the an evil empire would just "borrow" any thing they needed to make the Deathstar. If any planet sends them an invoice, just shoot them with the laser.
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May 5, 2017 15:52
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Both in canon and legends, this is what happened. In canon, workers were slave Genosians. In legends, workers were slave Wookies. And the funds came from inflated taxes on worlds involved in the separatist movement or otherwise easily to lamblast and lay some blame on. Basically, everywhere but the core worlds.
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At the time of the construction of the Death Star there was still a Senate, so theoretically the Emperor would have had to at least go through the motions of getting things funded through them, regardless of how much bullshit was involved.
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May 5, 2017 16:00
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The Death Star was the F-35 of its era.
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Basebf555 posted:At the time of the construction of the Death Star there was still a Senate, so theoretically the Emperor would have had to at least go through the motions of getting things funded through them, regardless of how much bullshit was involved. I mean, the extent of it was probably "we're going to build up our military and make the seperatists pay for it! They owe us after the Clone Wars! Once the Grand Army of the Empire is great again, no one will secede every again! Build the Death St---Star Destroyers!"
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May 5, 2017 16:05
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It probably wasnt even proposed as a "Death Star". It probably had a dumb name like the BFG-9000 Class Anti-Terrorism Base.
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May 5, 2017 16:17
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All Star Wars fans should be forced to read the two zombie books for full appreciation of the lore
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Barudak posted:It probably wasnt even proposed as a "Death Star". It probably had a dumb name like the BFG-9000 Class Anti-Terrorism Base. Oh, it was. It had a different name, they go into it on Catalyst. Officially, the project was an attempt to made a more efficient energy generator using Khyber Crystals and many scientists, like Erso, were unaware of its true purpose. It was alongside numerous other secret projects. Catalyst is such a boring book that I forgot they actually explained how they got funding from the Senate and scientific support without anyone knowing.
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May 5, 2017 16:25
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I'm just stunned that Mads Mikkelsen played a good guy in an American movie.
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well why not posted:I'm just stunned that Mads Mikkelsen played a good guy in an American movie. Yea but it was a waste. Now he can't play Thrawn. Actually he totally could still play Thrawn and I'd be all for it.
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May 5, 2017 17:07
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ShineDog posted:I wonder if starkiller base was an imperial project they just finished up or something I wouldn't put it past Sheev to have something waiting in the wings for when blowing planets up one by one becomes too inefficient.
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May 5, 2017 17:24
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Basebf555 posted:Yea but it was a waste. Now he can't play Thrawn. Good thing he's got a brother. A brother who played Thrawn.
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May 5, 2017 17:27
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I think Thrawn is incredibly dumb. "I know their art, so I know their military strategy" makes even less sense than single-biome planets. Why do people like Thrawn so much?
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homullus posted:I think Thrawn is incredibly dumb. "I know their art, so I know their military strategy" makes even less sense than single-biome planets. Why do people like Thrawn so much? I mean, he's basically Sherlock Holmes meets Grand Moff Tarkin. But, like Revan, most of the love likely has more to do with being exposed to the character at a young, impressionable age where critical thinking skills were weaker and their external life was nicer due to their parents providing everything.
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homullus posted:I think Thrawn is incredibly dumb. "I know their art, so I know their military strategy" makes even less sense than single-biome planets. Why do people like Thrawn so much? They managed to tone that down enough in Rebels that he was pretty good.
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