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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
He's not Marxist and his policies are actually polling majority support, he's the victim of his own party centrists rat loving him. Its character assassination, pain and simple.

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Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
hes also uncharismatic even by british standards

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
and stupid

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
and makes his own jam
who loving does that

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

corbyn is going to get rear end-hosed because he is an uncompromising marxist and it turns out you have to be flexible on a lot of issues to be liked by dozens of millions enough to be voted into power

Look if Brits can't get behind marxism they deserve the tories

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Being a beardy sandal-wearing leftist with no charisma isn't exactly conducive to popular support.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

whomupclicklike posted:

Look if Brits can't get behind marxism they deserve the tories

:yeah:

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
He still refuses to resign, disgraceful.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

hakimashou posted:

He still refuses to resign, disgraceful.

hes power hungry just like everyone else
and lol his party leadership is trying to coup him, why NOT gently caress them up as much as possible?

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Baloogan posted:

hes power hungry just like everyone else
and lol his party leadership is trying to coup him, why NOT gently caress them up as much as possible?

britains leading tankie mindset expert

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

rudatron posted:

He's not Marxist and his policies are actually polling majority support, he's the victim of his own party centrists rat loving him. Its character assassination, pain and simple.

And being honest, he's just not that good at being a party leader or policy advocate, much as I'd prefer otherwise.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
we wanted a slightly left of centre candidate but instead of we got a pile of turds in a lenin cap

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

we wanted a slightly left of centre candidate but instead of we got a pile of turds in a lenin cap

Quite literally




hakimashou has issued a correction as of 03:10 on May 6, 2017

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
if he wanted to help labor he would have stepped down during the coup

more power to him if he wants to crash the party of blair into the ground lol

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
lenin prob was also this lovely too, just he had people killing people hwo disagreed with him

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Baloogan posted:

hes power hungry just like everyone else
and lol his party leadership is trying to coup him, why NOT gently caress them up as much as possible?

Yeah his term of party leadership since the brexit vote has had as its only real accomplishment "clinging desperately to power."

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Baloogan posted:

if he wanted to help labor he would have stepped down during the coup

more power to him if he wants to crash the party of blair into the ground lol

He should have stepped down when David Cameron did, immediately after the brexit referendum went the way it did. As leaders, he and Cameron both had a responsibility to guide their people away from that decision, and failing to do it meant they had both failed as leaders.

The coup/leadership challenge was a response to him not doing the right thing.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

hakimashou posted:

He should have stepped down when David Cameron did, immediately after the brexit referendum went the way it did. As leaders, he and Cameron both had a responsibility to guide their people away from that decision, and failing to do it meant they had both failed as leaders.

The coup/leadership challenge was a response to him not doing the right thing.

david cameron wanted to be in the EU more than corbyn

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
brexit was the right decision

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

david cameron wanted to be in the EU more than corbyn

Corbyn's heart not being in it was no excuse. He was leader of the labour party, when he accepted the role he accepted serious responsibilities.

Losing the referendum and clinging on to power was untenable, but he did it anyway and now the labour party is where it is.

The corbynista / green party / far left types who went mad for corbyn believed, perhaps rightly, that this was their One Big Shot, and couldn't accept that the events of the brexit, something they didn't mean to stake their future on, would put a premature end to it all.

I think many ended up with the delusion that simply clinging onto power in the party was enough, that eventually labour would 'get its turn' and then, by virtue of having dug in deeply and clung on strongly enough, they would get to be in power by default.

Others had convinced themselves that Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown had lost because centrism was unpopular, and leftism was secretly what people really wanted.

This argument will be demolished if Corbyn does worse than miliband did two years ago.

I bet they'll find some other excuse though.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. But it looks like the labour party is going to be hoofing it for a while.

hakimashou has issued a correction as of 03:23 on May 6, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Being a beardy sandal-wearing leftist with no charisma isn't exactly conducive to popular support.

Being a suit wearing half-Tory wasn't either.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Being a suit wearing half-Tory wasn't either.

We'll see in about a month's time.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Being a suit wearing half-Tory wasn't either.

Indeed. Ideally, in a nation of 65 million, the major left-of-center party could find a leftist or center-leftist to put forward as leader with some capacity to actually lead, though as an American I have no room to criticize.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
societal stagnation
crisis of leadership, lack thereof

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
Corbyn is bad because he is a big fat loser in the metric that matters: elections

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

logikv9 posted:

Corbyn is bad because he is a big fat loser in the metric that matters: elections

So far Corbyn has won all of his elections.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

So far Corbyn has won all of his elections.

lol if you even think he can have natural erections

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
big fat loser in everybody else's elections, although props to him for hanging on while labo(u)r dies

this is what you get for spelling it labour :smug:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Baloogan posted:

lol if you even think he can have natural erections

There's a reason he makes his own jam.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
corbyn is kinda like obama: bigly winner by himself as he lets his party die in a pit

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
You know who won a whole mess of elections and beat the tories every single time?

Tony Blair

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

Fallen Hamprince posted:

https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/858810953353367552

giant 30 tweet thread on a leak regarding brexit negotiations, you should really read the whole thing (it's pretty hillarious) but long story short May has literally no idea what she is doing and the most likely outcome is increasingly 'rock-hard brexit with no trade deal or condom'

I'm real late to the party here but man, you guys are hosed. At this rate I can see May going full North Korea and threatening Germany with nuclear annihilation unless it buys your meat pies at discount rates.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hakimashou posted:

You know who won a whole mess of elections and beat the tories every single time?

Tony Blair

I admire your dedication to having the worst takes on everything.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Perhaps it's nothing but Blairs, Trudeaux, and Obamas from here on out and we should just get used to it.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Perhaps it's nothing but Blairs, Trudeaux, and Obamas from here on out and we should just get used to it.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Perhaps it's nothing but Blairs, Trudeaux, and Obamas from here on out and we should just get used to it.

That's a pretty dumb assumption, considering 2/3 have already lead their parties into ruin.

The bottom line here is that England, like the rest of Europe, is in the throes of a reactionary wave - and it's going to take a ton of loving up by a Tory government before enough of them stop believing in "common sense" and vote for anything else.

im on the net me boys
Feb 19, 2017

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I bet Corbyn uses ketamine

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Less than 30% turnout in lots of these elections is shocking

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Captain_Maclaine posted:

And being honest, he's just not that good at being a party leader or policy advocate, much as I'd prefer otherwise.
The big word here is 'strength', corbyn isn't seen as strong and so isn't seen as a viable leader (because one of the roles of a leader is to reassure people by providing an illusion of safety). The stuff about Trident is mostly just a way of attacking on that front. Realistically, the UK only has a nuclear arsenal for historical reasons, why bother when the US has a bigger one and you're one of its best allies? But as an issue to hit corbyn with, it works well.

rudatron has issued a correction as of 07:41 on May 6, 2017

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
we needed a bernie and got corbyn

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