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endlessmonotony posted:Original fascists kept denying what they were doing for a very long time. Alt-right is now the people who aren't even trying to pretend they're not in support of genocide. There's a lot of ancaps in the alt-right who are full FYGM also only black people use welfare and foodbanks so once we e: 1958 - Members of the White Defence League along with hundreds of teddy boys attack West Indian people at random in Notting Hill, starting a riot. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 6, 2017 |
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MikeCrotch posted:You made a mistake: Considering their origins this is the most accurute description for alt-right people I've seen.
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'Thanks Corbyn' should be the UK's 'Thanks Obama'
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Ratjaculation posted:'Thanks Corbyn' should be the UK's 'Thanks Obama' Obama was actually a poo poo president though, just not for all the reasons the insane racists said he was
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 As a doctor, I would love to know how May is planning to provide this 'army of doctors' to work seven days a week in GP surgeries, considering doctors are currently deserting the NHS in droves due to falling pay/crushing workload/rock bottom morale. Is she planning on training new GPs from scratch? Because that would take longer than the lifetime of the parliament. Improving pay and conditions to tempt more doctors into GP work? Might work, but seems unlikely and would only siphon doctors out of hospital medicine. Overseas recruitment drive? Possibly, but would hardly make Mail readers happy and the UK is just not that tempting for overseas doctors any more. Most likely explanation seems to be that she's just talking out of her arse and has no intention of fulfilling this promise. jabby fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 6, 2017 |
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It'll be more money to surgeries (maybe council mental health units) budgets for staffing but no changes at all to training or supply of staff. Since it'll be temporary funding or at least a temporary increase in a period of cuts it'll be spent entirely on temporary or locum staff because no finance department will approve anything else and the general impact will be minimal.
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jabby posted:Because that would take longer than the lifetime of the parliament. not if Theresa extends the lifetime of parliament it won't. How does a thousand years sound
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kustomkarkommando posted:Burnham can't be pm cause of the unwritten rule that an open catholic can't be prime minister You want another civil war? jabby posted:
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Namtab posted:Remember them floating the idea that newly qualified GPS will have to do mandatory service to the nhs for a set period and/or until student debts are cleared. It'll be that. Indentured servitude That was newly qualified doctors though, who can't serve as GPs for at least 5 years, by which time the forced labour part of their contract would presumably have expired. EDIT Polls for the poll god. Apparently fieldwork was done prior to the local elections. https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/860989389232623617 jabby fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 7, 2017 |
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How long would it take a doctor fresh out of uni to clear their student debts?
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Skinty McEdger posted:How long would it take a doctor fresh out of uni to clear their student debts? Well given that all doctors are lazy overpaid part timers about a year [/dailymail] The real answer is that like everyone else it'd be a fairly long time especially with raised tuition fees etc, but they could choose to make sacrifices in other areas of their life to pay it off quicker if they wanted. Namtab fucked around with this message at 00:05 on May 7, 2017 |
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Namtab posted:You want another civil war? Frankly I'm cool with that, medicine is about serving the greater public good. I've heard anecdotes of first year students being told that if they're studying medicine to get rich then they should change degree immediately and I think that's responsible and reasonable tutelage. Society should support the individual in achieving their hopes and asks that the individual contribute back to others around them. I'm saddened that currently that'll mean asking far more from the worker than is necessary to pay the capitalist but I can't disagree on principle.
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I feel that I'd rather have people working for the nhs because they want to, not because they're being forced to. I also feel like a doctor being forced to work for the nhs would be more resentful, which may impact on their professionalism and morale
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The government can pledge anything at this point, I don't think they'll have to worry about following through
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namesake posted:Frankly I'm cool with that, medicine is about serving the greater public good. I've heard anecdotes of first year students being told that if they're studying medicine to get rich then they should change degree immediately and I think that's responsible and reasonable tutelage. Society should support the individual in achieving their hopes and asks that the individual contribute back to others around them. I'm saddened that currently that'll mean asking far more from the worker than is necessary to pay the capitalist but I can't disagree on principle. As a doctor, thanks for believing that we don't already do enough to serve the public good. Thanks for thinking that despite many years of reducing pay and worsening working conditions what we really need is a contract that prevents us from quitting or else be buried under crippling debt for the rest of our lives. I'm sure the Tories wouldn't take advantage of that situation to literally work us to loving death, would they? I mean it's not like multiple doctors have already died from crashing their cars after exhausting night shifts, or committed suicide from stress. I'm sure we just need a good lecture about how our lives are forfeit because we chose a career that involves the 'greater public good'. You arsehole.
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Looke posted:The government can pledge anything at this point, I don't think they'll have to worry about following through The current mess we're in is down to a tory thinking it was safe to over promise on the campaign trail
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drat, I thought i was in skinner's area and it turns out the Labour candidate is some posh bint from the south who was parachuted into a Tory hating Labour stronghold and still managed to nearly get beaten by the Tory candidate last time. Mostly by being an odious cow who hosed off down to London and kept going on maternity leave, and doing silly things like getting caught out fiddling her expenses. Not a cats chance in hell she gets my vote. The Labour Party Ladies and Gentemen, so drat complacent in the north where they think they can still totally rely on people's hatred of Thatcher when a lot of the people who couldn't just loving let it go, let it go when she died or they did.
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Virtually any other profession where the employer pays for your professional training and qualification will require some form of quid-pro-quo where you actually have to work for the employer for a couple of years afterwards. Skills poaching is a real thing and two years of working for a decent wage in this country before you take your incredibly expensive education to Australia is not exactly the same as picking cotton.
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Namtab posted:Doctors are ok, not quite nurse tier tho Doctors have indeed not reached the nurse tier of getting shat on by the government. Being unable to quit without going bankrupt and dodging debt collectors for the remainder of your life would catch us up quite a bit though. Alchenar posted:Virtually any other profession where the employer pays for your professional training and qualification will require some form of quid-pro-quo where you actually have to work for the employer for a couple of years afterwards. Doctors pay for their university education just like anybody else. The government's estimates of how much it costs to train a doctor are garbage, and include stuff like the salaries of other junior doctors who teach medical students while also working on the wards. Hint: they deliberately inflated them to stoke anger at doctors during the strikes and so they would have an excuse to slap students with hundreds of thousands of pounds of unjustified debt. And a decent wage? How good do you think pay and conditions are going to be when you are kept in the job by threat of financial ruin? Honest answer, would you like to be treated by a doctor who is desperate to quit medicine but can't because of the financial implications? jabby fucked around with this message at 00:28 on May 7, 2017 |
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learnincurve posted:drat, I thought i was in skinner's area and it turns out the Labour candidate is some posh bint from the south who was parachuted into a Tory hating Labour stronghold and still managed to nearly get beaten by the Tory candidate last time. Mostly by being an odious cow who hosed off down to London and kept going on maternity leave, and doing silly things like getting caught out fiddling her expenses. Not a cats chance in hell she gets my vote. Please consider either voting Labour or else not complaining if the Tories win in your area.
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Namtab posted:Doctors are ok, not quite nurse tier tho Nurses are indeed good, but it would be ridiculous to talk about people serving public health without also honouring binmen and sewage workers, whose hard work probably saves more lives a year than a doctor or nurse will manage in a lifetime.
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I think not Nantab. It's raw stupidity to vote somone terrible into parliament just because of the party they belong to, "oh they may have done gently caress all for our area, fiddled expenses, and eaten all those people but at least they aint Tory!" It does not make it any less stupid because a lot of people do it, it's how we ended up with a load of "career politicians" in power instead of people who actually give a poo poo about the people they represent. I'll do what I usually do when I dislike the major candidates and that's vote for the independent to try and help them keep their deposit or, if they only get a few votes, to cause them a little confusion when they try and work out where that extra vote came from.
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learnincurve posted:I think not Nantab. It's raw stupidity to vote somone terrible into parliament just because of the party they belong to, "oh they may have done gently caress all for our area, fiddled expenses, and eaten all those people but at least they aint Tory!" It does not make it any less stupid because a lot of people do it, it's how we ended up with a load of "career politicians" in power instead of people who actually give a poo poo about the people they represent. E: I accept this statement of intent though, as long as the local independent isn't the fash
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e: nvm, misread to cover for misreading big scary monsters' post, i will quickly say that the doctors promise is dumb but its badness pales in comparison to the one about "ensuring noone needs to sell their home to pay for care" - the former is merely undeliverable, whereas the latter is a further step towards entrenching the importance of inherited wealth LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 00:38 on May 7, 2017 |
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Oh it won't make a lick of difference but it's a far more effective way of demonstrating displeasure at the candidates than spoiling the ballot like a lot of people do. I know why they do it and it's because of the mistaken belief that spoiled ballots will be included in the statistics when the reality is that the BBC have never said "and 11,000 people drew a picture of a penis"
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It's very important to me that the local independent flash lose their deposits countrywide
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Don't worry it will be some old fella who's pissed off that they are planning on fracking near his nice detached house in the countryside and is prepared to drop the money for the deposit in raising the issue.
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Namtab posted:It's very important to me that the local independent flash lose their deposits countrywide I too like to flash my deposits everywhere.
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Good news for South Thanet, Zebadiah Abu-Obadiah of Al-Zebabist Nation of Ooog has announced he is standing again.
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Namtab posted:I'm namtab, not nantab I'd watch the hell out of Batnan MikeCrotch posted:Can we stop with the whole "traditional Labour voters are going Tory/UKIP?" It was the people who were targeted by New Labour triangulation who are switching in big numbers, who only ever voted for New Labour in '97, '01 and maybe '05, namely the self employed and small businesses owners a.k.a the core of support for Thatcher. I wasn't trying to say it happened under Miliband specifically, just that by that time Labour's natural base (i.e. the demographics you'd expect to vote Labour) wasn't as solid as it used to be. The rules are changing   So what I meant was Labour already couldn't rely on its traditional level of support, and Brexit has completely thrown the whole thing up in the air - it's become a major voting issue that completely transcends normal party loyalties. We really need some polling that shows how much it factored into people's votes/non-votes in the locals
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I think, and therefore might be terribly wrong, that most remainers have given up on the issue and just aren't voting. Which is a pity because they're playing into the self-fulfilling prophecy that remainers don't exist and the country is united.
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endlessmonotony posted:Let me do that far better: Very accurate. The difference between correct usage and common usage. Except the Anime Nazis thing, which ought to be in both of ours.
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Two media responses to the same announcement, threatening tax rises for people on over £80,000 per year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39829723 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4481058/Labour-party-hints-massive-tax-hike-middle-classes.html Pre-tax income for 25% of us <£15,500pa Pre-tax income for 50% of us <£22,400pa Pre-tax income for 75% of us <£34,500pa Pre-tax income for 94% of us <£65,400pa After this income shoots up exponentially, which helps the median for UK wages get to about £27k/a. I mean, it's too bad for those on £80,000+ a year and all but my heartstrings aren't tugged even if they're labelled as 'middle class'. Incidentally 98% of earners have an annual income <£78k/a after tax. Source: HMRC 2016 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/595165/NS_Table_3_1a_1415.xlsx
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baka kaba posted:I'd watch the hell out of Batnan Coming in 2018 Batnan Vs Supergran
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