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NoneMoreNegative posted:Coming in 2018
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# ? May 7, 2017 04:22 |
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Can't believe you all missed Batnan: The Dark Knitting
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# ? May 7, 2017 06:30 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think, and therefore might be terribly wrong, that most remainers have given up on the issue and just aren't voting. Which is a pity because they're playing into the self-fulfilling prophecy that remainers don't exist and the country is united. Anyone who's even glanced at the guardian or independent/i100 since we voted leave is painfully aware that remainers exist. I especially don't enjoy the i100s unshakable belief that everyone outside of London is racist , and that is the only possible explanation for THE HORROR OH WOE, WOE IS ME.
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# ? May 7, 2017 08:12 |
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more like remoaners lmao
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# ? May 7, 2017 08:41 |
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I just DON'T get why 48% of the voters didn't immediately shut up and 100% back up Breakfast?!?! SAD!
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# ? May 7, 2017 08:47 |
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There is being constructive in defeat and then there is pointing at everyone who disagrees with you and screaming RACIST. It annoys people who are not, and not many people who are actually racists are self aware enough to recognise that they are so it puts their backs up as well.
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learnincurve posted:There is being constructive in defeat and then there is pointing at everyone who disagrees with you and screaming RACIST. It annoys people who are not, and not many people who are actually racists are self aware enough to recognise that they are so it puts their backs up as well. Who is doing this though? The vast majority of people still arguing about this tend to focus on the economics.
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# ? May 7, 2017 09:15 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think, and therefore might be terribly wrong, that most remainers have given up on the issue and just aren't voting. Which is a pity because they're playing into the self-fulfilling prophecy that remainers don't exist and the country is united.
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# ? May 7, 2017 09:21 |
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learnincurve posted:There is being constructive in defeat and then there is pointing at everyone who disagrees with you and screaming RACIST. It annoys people who are not, and not many people who are actually racists are self aware enough to recognise that they are so it puts their backs up as well.
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# ? May 7, 2017 09:32 |
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Juliet Whisky posted:Two media responses to the same announcement, threatening tax rises for people on over £80,000 per year: I find that interesting, as there are so many contradictory sources and quotes of what the average uk income is. It also doesn't include non tax-payers, which suggests that for the total UK population, it's an even smaller percentage that would be hit by a lower Additional Rate Tax thresohld. £27k is quoted as the media a lot as well due to the HMRC ASHE report from 2014. Can someone who understands statistics better explain what the difference between the two reports are? It's stated as being the median as well, which completed contradicts the median being £22,400 as in the above report. Weasling Weasel fucked around with this message at 09:53 on May 7, 2017 |
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learnincurve posted:There is being constructive in defeat and then there is pointing at everyone who disagrees with you and screaming RACIST. It annoys people who are not, and not many people who are actually racists are self aware enough to recognise that they are so it puts their backs up as well. Counterpoint Remoaner: leaving the single market really isn't a good idea with our trade deficit, I worry the gov will use parts of the health service to sweeten any deals Breakfasteer: IM NOT RACIST
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# ? May 7, 2017 09:56 |
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Not all brexiteers are racist, I'm willing to accept that some are merely thick.
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# ? May 7, 2017 09:58 |
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I mean the only leavers I've seen called out on racism were actually being racist. Yet they all seem to have suffered such name calling so as to be the better person in a debate with a remoaner
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# ? May 7, 2017 09:59 |
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Zalakwe posted:Who is doing this though? The vast majority of people still arguing about this tend to focus on the economics. Well, there is this kind of attitude: https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/831071337850470400 Although I don't think he's calling all Leave voters racist scroungers, just all people who live outside London…
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# ? May 7, 2017 10:06 |
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dispatch_async posted:Well, there is this kind of attitude: It does exist but one twat doesn't make a twitter. As is suggested above I think a lot of the "DON'T CALL US RACIST" pleading is born from insecurity. It's pretty clear you don't have to be racist to be a Brexiter, you just voted the same way as all the racists. If you don't think of yourself as racist this may cause problems for your ego. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 10:15 on May 7, 2017 |
# ? May 7, 2017 10:11 |
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does someone have those word clouds which had economy as the main word by a mile for remainers and immigration for leavers?
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# ? May 7, 2017 10:16 |
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Zalakwe posted:It does exist but one twat doesn't make a twitter. Pretty much this. Not all Leave voters are racist, but pretty much all racists are Leave voters, and if you vote with the racists because you think you'll have to compete with fewer Polish plumbers or whatever, that's still kiiiinda in the racist camp as far as I'm concerned. And, like it or not, London voted Remain, the rest of England and Wales (especially the bits without any immigrants) largely went Leave. That is a real thing. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 10:22 on May 7, 2017 |
# ? May 7, 2017 10:19 |
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Anyone who is a Brexit supporter should be absolutely livid with the way the government is conducting itself at the moment. David Allen Green had a good piece in the FT lately arguing that current government policy seems to be to sabotage Brexit without appearing to do so:"How the UK government is making a successful Brexit difficult posted:Here is a thought experiment: what would it take, in practice, for a UK government to self-sabotage a “successful” Brexit? And how would that differ from current policy? It's a pretty good summary of how hosed we probably are. Every action, from the referendum itself to calling a general election to the government's approach to Brexit, is about strengthening the conservative party and looking good to the tabloids ahead of "making Brexit a success". I honestly can't be angry with them either because it's the only rational response when you know (as everyone in the political sphere does apart from a few true believers) that Juncker is right: Brexit cannot be a success. It's a thunderingly stupid step backwards and will harm this country for decades. e: I'm aware that Green says Brexit could be a success - I disagree. While it's technically possible, the number of social and political changes required for it not to result in more austerity and misery heaped on the poorest in this country makes it highly improbable. Party Boat fucked around with this message at 10:24 on May 7, 2017 |
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Jose posted:does someone have those word clouds which had economy as the main word by a mile for remainers and immigration for leavers?
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# ? May 7, 2017 10:25 |
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Ratjaculation posted:I just DON'T get why 48% of the voters didn't immediately shut up and 100% back up Breakfast?!?! SAD!
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quote:It's a pretty good summary of how hosed we probably are. Every action, from the referendum itself to calling a general election to the government's approach to Brexit, is about strengthening the conservative party and looking good to the tabloids ahead of "making Brexit a success". I honestly can't be angry with them either because it's the only rational response when you know (as everyone in the political sphere does apart from a few true believers) that Juncker is right: Brexit cannot be a success. It's a thunderingly stupid step backwards and will harm this country for decades. I get the feeling this is what happens when you don't have an efficient spin doctor in your party. You get trapped into thinking that you need to woo the tabloids as much as possible. As such the tabloids start making Government policy more than the Government itself. Of course, it's all going to collapse like a ton of bricks on their head when Brexit causes the economic depression everyone is warning about. I'll be curious how the tabloids spin how rationing is a good thing.
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WMain00 posted:I get the feeling this is what happens when you don't have an efficient spin doctor in your party. You get trapped into thinking that you need to woo the tabloids as much as possible. As such the tabloids start making Government policy more than the Government itself. Of course, it's all going to collapse like a ton of bricks on their head when Brexit causes the economic depression everyone is warning about. I'll be curious how the tabloids spin how rationing is a good thing. Blame it on the Europeans while the May government uses emergency powers to blunt the democratic backlash, presumably.
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# ? May 7, 2017 10:55 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Blame it on the Europeans while the May government uses emergency powers to blunt the democratic backlash, presumably. For a likely preview of how it's going to go, look at May's battle to deport Abu Qatada to Jordan for a trial based on evidence obtained through torture. She wasted a huge amount of time and public money fighting unwinnable court battles for the purposes of political posturing, then finally did what she should have done in the first place (worked out a deal with Jordan) and claimed it was a huge victory over the ECHR when it was what they told her to do in the first place.
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:06 |
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Party Boat posted:Not all brexiteers are racist, I'm willing to accept that some are merely thick. Not all remoaners are classist, I'm willing to accept that some are merely arrogant.
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:12 |
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brexiteer spotted
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:18 |
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Party Boat posted:Anyone who is a Brexit supporter should be absolutely livid with the way the government is conducting itself at the moment. David Allen Green had a good piece in the FT lately arguing that current government policy seems to be to sabotage Brexit without appearing to do so:
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:21 |
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HJB posted:Not all remoaners are classist, I'm willing to accept that some are merely arrogant. Would you say you've had enough of experts?
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:21 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Blame it on the Europeans while the May government uses emergency powers to blunt the democratic backlash, presumably. *Presumably by putting Labour in power so that Brexit can, err, happen anyway? Even by the standards of delusional bollocks it makes no sense
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:21 |
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Zephro posted:I read that piece. It doesn't explicitly state the government is playing 14-dimensional chess and secretly sabotaging the talks in the hope of having to Remain, but it skates amusingly close I prefer the interpretation that the government knows Brexit is going to be too difficult to make successful, so isn't even trying and is looking to shore up their voter base instead.
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Party Boat posted:I prefer the interpretation that the government knows Brexit is going to be too difficult to make successful, so isn't even trying and is looking to shore up their voter base instead.
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:27 |
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Zephro posted:Yeah. You can already see this happening with that paranoid speech about how the evil Eurocrats are trying to fiddle the Great Patriotic Election*. Anything bad will be used as evidence that the EU is evil and we were right to leave. It makes a lot more sense if you buy the consistent media line that Corbyn is a treacherous sellout who will roll over for the first foreign power that threatens Britain's interests. In other words, Labour is lying about being in favour of Brexit, and their efforts to criticise the government's approach to it are only further evidence of this.
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:28 |
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it's impressive how Corbyn has managed to simultaneously lie about being in favour of Brexit and lie about being against Brexit
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:32 |
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Schrödinger Brexit Jeremy Hunt
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# ? May 7, 2017 11:36 |
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Angepain posted:it's impressive how Corbyn has managed to simultaneously lie about being in favour of Brexit and lie about being against Brexit TBF, it's generally different people saying those two things.
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# ? May 7, 2017 12:03 |
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No tax rises for people on less than £80,000, pledges John McDonnell I like this presentation. It's a better phrasing than "we'll tax people above X", because that invites "politics of envy" and "above X?? That could be me one day!", while "we'll protect people below X" might help with the realisation that that includes the vast majority of the country, including "me, now". Of course you could argue that taxes should be higher lower down, but it's a start.
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# ? May 7, 2017 12:09 |
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learnincurve posted:...not many people who are actually racists are self aware enough to recognise that they are so it puts their backs up as well.
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# ? May 7, 2017 12:09 |
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/861167745559392256
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# ? May 7, 2017 12:12 |
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I think a lot of the problem with politics today is that people can't evaluate sources very well. I see this at work absolutely loads - we have a thing called Chatter which is sort of like a social network. On it you can ask questions if you've come across something difficult. Tonnes of people stopped using it because they'd get a few different answers and didn't know which ones to trust. Even if two answers were from random new starters and the third one was from the person who actually designed the box and that last person was signposted really heavily as such. You saw it loads during the EU Referendum when people were screaming for "just non-biased information about what's going on" when it was easily available but they didn't know how to decide what was real or not. When 90% of people barely ever pay attention to politics anyway it's too easy to lie or present things in a way that makes it sound bad. Taxes for people over 80k? Well that might be loads of people and it might be me! Even though if you look into it, there's basically no chance of it ever being you. It's a really horrible situation and I blame that for our 1000 year tory reich over any specific politician.
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# ? May 7, 2017 12:23 |
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I know someone who's trying to make a documentary about this and he's said that while it's definitely likely that there are student nurses and part timers in this position, despite quite a lot of effort they haven't actually found a single full time employed nurse needing to use a food bank.
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I'm sure there are many complex reasons for this, none of them to do with lack of money
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