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Actually I think it's kind of telling that even here nobody's actually discussing the answer, it's all about the fact that the question was asked. I think that's all people at large will remember, that Marr asked Mcdonnell if he was a Marxist, and the fact that the question was asked alone will be considered a knock on Labour.
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For example: Jeremy, is it true you contributed to a piece of literature encouraging the privatization of the NHS? Lucky Marr asked that one then.
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Questions as character assassination are very common. Are you still beating your wife? It's that but on a supposed professional level.
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feedmegin posted:Um not to out-autist you but the median is an average. You're thinking of the mean average. In English, average means mean average. Which is why if someone says median but describes mean, they may be well-meaning, intending to show how mean employers are,. But they are still wrong.
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Guavanaut posted:It was the Mail on Sunday, not the Sun, but this is the twat who did the "I lied in church and said my kids were starving and they gave me some food from a private charity, government benefits have gone mad" poo poo. I think I brought it up the last time the article was posted, but what was even more egregious was that when it broke down the prices of the food, it worked out to something like £3 per person per day or something like that. And the sheer outrage they had over this, with zero compassion or empathy. In other news, more woe for Corbyn:  TIBFJC   From the Sunday Sport - personally I find the Viz funnier.
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feedmegin posted:There are lots of thick British people.
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Virtually every major city voted remain, some in larger % than London
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Taear posted:I think a lot of the problem with politics today is that people can't evaluate sources very well. I see this at work absolutely loads - we have a thing called Chatter which is sort of like a social network. On it you can ask questions if you've come across something difficult. Tonnes of people stopped using it because they'd get a few different answers and didn't know which ones to trust. From a few pages ago but I don't think this can ever be overemphasised. We have absolutely no hope of winning the general public round from the current wave of right-populism without either better education into how to use sources and analyse information, or a left-wing with a seriously talented messaging machine. The right doesn't particularly need that, because its messages are simple and common sense, even if they aren't actually true when you analyse them below the surface level. 'Immigrants are the reason the NHS is hosed' is an easy argument to make because 'more people' = 'more money needing to be spend to treat these people' = 'less resources can be used on me and mine'. Add in the idea of 'health tourism' and you're onto a winner. This is common sense. Except none of its actually true and that common sense logic doesn't actually hold up in the face of any analysis with any depth at all - but that doesn't matter when the vast majority of the population aren't able or willing to properly analyse information, or follow, critique and ultimately decide on the value of the analyses of others.
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It's not that the messages are inherently simpler and easier to get across, it's that the right has endless resources and opportunity to propagate them.
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Namtab posted:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4482020/Germany-search-army-barracks-Nazi-memorabilia.html Wonder if we're talking "Send them to me, I know what to do with them *wink*" or "Should have gassed those loving hun to show them what for, now Junker is gobbling up the whole continent" or "No wonder that the Germans are turning to what they know in the face of refugee hordes and relentless globalism of their leaders" level of problematic comments. e: On second thought probably all of those.
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josh04 posted:It's not that the messages are inherently simpler and easier to get across, it's that the right has endless resources and opportunity to propagate them. Well it is a simpler message in some ways. People are more susceptible to accepting that the nhs is struggling due to migrants, which are an "other", as opposed to the real reason of an aging population and lack of long term investment, the former of which they see as blaming them.
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Guavanaut posted:It was the Mail on Sunday, not the Sun, but this is the twat who did the "I lied in church and said my kids were starving and they gave me some food from a private charity, government benefits have gone mad" poo poo. The funny (not funny) thing is that the tabloid skiver stories have mostly dried up because they're too busy getting angry at remoaners (I'm sure I've heard "urban elites" being uses unironically and repeatedly) but the Tories are *still* cutting benefits. This isn't fiscal conservatism or pandering to tabloids, this is straight-up hatred of anyone who didn't go to Eton. I wouldn't be at all surprised - between workfare, housing benefit caps, and post-Brexit economic implosion - to see the triumphant return of the workhouse by 2022.
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Namtab posted:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4482020/Germany-search-army-barracks-Nazi-memorabilia.html For the avoidance of doubt, neither the Daily Mail nor the Prime Minister support ethnic cleansing.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I wouldn't be at all surprised - between workfare, housing benefit caps, and post-Brexit economic implosion - to see the triumphant return of the workhouse by 2022. I would be quite surprised to see the return of the workhouse, because they don't want to pay for us to be housed. Workfare is basically the workhouse without the shelter. Prisons with forced labour are an option for the troublesome. What would a workhouse add?
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BBC news has a whole article, complete with video interview, entitled 'Would it help to tax the rich more?' Where THE gently caress were the articles called 'Would it help to cut disability benefits?', 'Would it help to tax spare rooms?' and 'Would it help to reduce capital gains tax?' Our media is so biased it's a joke.
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Spuckuk posted:Virtually every major city voted remain, some in larger % than London Birmingham didn't.
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Oh dear me posted:I would be quite surprised to see the return of the workhouse, because they don't want to pay for us to be housed. Workfare is basically the workhouse without the shelter. Prisons with forced labour are an option for the troublesome. What would a workhouse add? There are still people angry that cash-in-hand benefits exist at all. They want the poor to do no more than exist - no TV, no electronics, no food more flavourful or fulfilling than required to survive. End cash benefits (apart from the pension, of course!), slap some dorms up within an hour or so's walking distance of the centre of town (can't have them too nearby but can't have them asking for transport, can we?) and hey presto, a replacement army of cleaners, care workers, and assorted skivvies to fill the gap left once we throw out all those foreigners who have managed to simultaneously take all our jobs and sit around all day in their council-supplied mansions. A chance to make the benefits system revenue-positive and/or lower the costs of Capita, ISS, et. al.? It's a Tory wet dream.
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jabby posted:BBC news has a whole article, complete with video interview, entitled 'Would it help to tax the rich more?' Its a new feature they've only been doing them for a few months. Its spun off from there fact checking pages they had for the EU referendum.
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TinTower posted:To the joy of everyone except Sam Kriss, Marine Le Pen has lost. I dunno about joy. Or relief. The inevitable winner won. It's nice the fascist lost but she got twice what Jean-Marie Le Pen managed in 2002, but if Macron enacts the platform he promised then FN's support isn't going to die off. 35% of the French voters just voted for a fascist to be President, there's no loving joy in that.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Sam Kriss didn't support Le Pen, unlike a Lib Dem who would probably go into coalition with her. Sam "better an honest thousand fascists than Macron" Kriss, aye?
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forkboy84 posted:I dunno about joy. Or relief. The inevitable winner won. It's nice the fascist lost but she got twice what Jean-Marie Le Pen managed in 2002, but if Macron enacts the platform he promised then FN's support isn't going to die off. 35% of the French voters just voted for a fascist to be President, there's no loving joy in that. How dare you not celebrate the victory of glorious liberalism? Are you some kind of poor person lover?
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forkboy84 posted:I dunno about joy. Or relief. The inevitable winner won. It's nice the fascist lost but she got twice what Jean-Marie Le Pen managed in 2002, but if Macron enacts the platform he promised then FN's support isn't going to die off. 35% of the French voters just voted for a fascist to be President, there's no loving joy in that. NO IT'S THE INEVITABLE VICTORY OF MILQUETOAST NEOLIBERALISM LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There are still people angry that cash-in-hand benefits exist at all. They want the poor to do no more than exist - no TV, no electronics, no food more flavourful or fulfilling than required to survive. End cash benefits (apart from the pension, of course!), slap some dorms up within an hour or so's walking distance of the centre of town (can't have them too nearby but can't have them asking for transport, can we?) and hey presto, a replacement army of cleaners, care workers, and assorted skivvies Food stamps or other ways to force benefit recipients to buy only basics and only from favoured companies have already been discussed, I can certainly see those coming. But workfare and prisons already provide skivvies, and Tories are the party of landlords. They get money already from housing the poor via housing benefit. Why would they want more houses built? And would they really be so stupid as to help the poor get together and organize?
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TinTower posted:Sam "better an honest thousand fascists than Macron" Kriss, aye? He clarified that statement in the following tweets. Care to clarify supporting the coalition?
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Gonzo McFee posted:He clarified that statement in the following tweets. He literally typed the phrase "a thousand honest fascists". That he could do that says a lot about him.
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The account that keeps on giving https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/861284167115575297
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:The account that keeps on giving How is that account still active after the whole 'hang the blacks' thing?
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TinTower posted:He literally typed the phrase "a thousand honest fascists". That you remain a lib dem following the coalition says more about you.
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Steve2911 posted:How is that account still active after the whole 'hang the blacks' thing? lol if you think Twitter actually bans fascists and racists
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Rich List 2017: Six surprising ways to make money Four of the six are inheriting the family business - what a shocker!
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TinTower posted:He literally typed the phrase "a thousand honest fascists". Sam Kriss is alright, Emmanuel Macron is not.
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