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I know there's a mil-history thread and I would never want this thread de-railed to destruction,. but the random diversions of history and other subjects is quite interesting. I have a half dozen books now due to this and the military history and Roman history threads. Shattered Sword and everyone who reads this thread should own it. That last bit about the Spanish Civil war I had no idea happened.
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Comstar posted:I know there's a mil-history thread and I would never want this thread de-railed to destruction,. but the random diversions of history and other subjects is quite interesting. I have a half dozen books now due to this and the military history and Roman history threads. Shattered Sword and everyone who reads this thread should own it. That last bit about the Spanish Civil war I had no idea happened. Half the fun of milthreads are the stories and the statistics.  Dawncloack posted:I think there is a big difference between random conservatives getting shot because of local grudges that happened on the Republican side I've really changed my mind, but like the other guy's sentiment, 'local grudges' is definitely underselling 38,000+ deaths. Do you agree with Preston? RA Rx fucked around with this message at 11:28 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 11:24
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RA Rx posted:Do you agree with Preston? With this I answer Bozart, now that I check. Obviously I am not claiming that the second Spanish republic was perfect in any way, but I do think there's a qualitative difference of intent, on top of the quantitative one. What exactly about Paul Preston ? If he has one big assertion I don't know it. VVVVVV I've read Preston's biography and I think he makes a convincing case, so yes I am inclined to believe it, if only to counter the "He kept us out of the war and thus was good" narrative that the heirs of that regime spew often. But if I am to be honest, what do I really know? And obviously what happened in Republican territory wasn't all about discipline, all the more so with the Communist Party murdering their side and creating an entire civil war inside the civil war because... well because power and its tunnel vision I guess. Dawncloack fucked around with this message at 15:26 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 13:13
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Oh, I'm not argueing the scale, just that the Red Terror wasn't entirely about discipline. Wikipedia's more reliable sources put it about 50k as you say for the Reds and 150-400k for the Whites (and some here have offered a number of strong sources that it was towards the higher end), with the majority happening after the war. About Preston I was wondering about the seemingly controversial assertion that Franco wanted to join the world war. From what I've read on the topic it seems a majority of historians think he wanted to stay out. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 17:00 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 14:04
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Comstar posted:I know there's a mil-history thread and I would never want this thread de-railed to destruction,. but the random diversions of history and other subjects is quite interesting. I have a half dozen books now due to this and the military history and Roman history threads. Shattered Sword and everyone who reads this thread should own it. That last bit about the Spanish Civil war I had no idea happened. I agree except for when we stray deep into warcrimes chat and especially when we get into the really gross "who did worse wracrimes" debate. That debate might be worth having, but I find it really depressing and not a fun intermission between updates for a fun LP of a computer game.
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May 8, 2017 16:35
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   These guys are getting their air miles, but don't have the numbers to do anything.   I'm having a weird feeling of Deja vu at the moment...  Oh thank god, this isn't Groundhog day. In an odd story, I accidentally reran yesterdays turn and got confused when the same things happened, then this started and I was getting REALLY worried for a second.   This is pretty much the only place we see Allied fighters.   A bloody day in the air, but one I won!  A wounded ship sinks, but we confirm two other kills.
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May 8, 2017 16:58
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8 May 1943 Japanese destroyers Kuroshio, sunk by mines off Rendova; Kagero, damaged by the same minefield and later sunk by dive bombers; and Oyashio, sunk by dive bombers while assisting the previous two ships. The minefield had been laid a day before by US destroyer-minelayers.
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May 8, 2017 17:55
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  I get reports of contact, then nothing else. This was reported as some AK's, so I sallied a battleship and some destroyers that were protecting troops landing here.  Dammit, they sent in fighter support.   That long ranged CAP I set up seemingly months ago finally bags something.  I think the AI heard that crack about never seeing their fighters....  The steady stream of confirmed kills.
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May 9, 2017 17:34
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So that's why Grey's refit of the Oi is scheduled to take so long! It's all a clever plan to hide the O-I's development!
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May 9, 2017 17:46
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  We're back to trading planes.  That's a big raid of Liberators.  I really need the forces in China to clear the rail line so I can get on with the fun stuff! 
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May 10, 2017 17:51
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Hey Grey, don't you have any Nicks to provide Anti-Bomber CAP? They are one of your best tools right now at killing four engine bombers.
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May 10, 2017 23:13
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Grey getting those newer airframes into production will be the key to defending his shipping lanes into 44. The Allies put 5 new carriers in the water this year along with 7 CVEs minus the one he sank. While Allied CAP pilots are never going to be as good because of how many died at Milne Bay, Grey doesn't get new CVs until late next year. Long and short is that Grey cannot afford to lose any CVE or CV and having not outdated airframes will go a long way in that regard. Hell, he's about midway through phasing out the A6M2 Zero, and while its easy to mass produce A6M3s, Allied fighters are already on par with that fighter and will soon surpass it with the widespread introduction of the F6F and non lovely spitfire variants in mid-1944.
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May 11, 2017 06:57
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A White Guy posted:Grey getting those newer airframes into production will be the key to defending his shipping lanes into 44. The Allies put 5 new carriers in the water this year along with 7 CVEs minus the one he sank. While Allied CAP pilots are never going to be as good because of how many died at Milne Bay, Grey doesn't get new CVs until late next year. Long and short is that Grey cannot afford to lose any CVE or CV and having not outdated airframes will go a long way in that regard. I can't switch the upgrade path for any squadrons - I'm not sure if its bug or not, but I go to the upgrade page, click on change upgrade path and it always switches back to the default.
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May 11, 2017 11:36
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   Phew!  Allied bombers pound Koepang.  The first of the Chinese units are being shipped out – hence the drop in political points today. I've switched them out of restricted Chinese units. Its about 500AV, and its only the start.
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May 11, 2017 17:08
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How do the Chinese/Manchukuo units compare to the SNLF ones? Are they any better against American or Australian units?
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May 11, 2017 21:03
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  Liberator numbers are creeping up here.  I decided to sally to carriers just so I might have something interesting to talk about, and a I find a large troop convoy right on my doorstep! I'm beginning to wonder when my luck is going to catch up with me!  More dead allied troops!  We return in the afternoon to finish the job.  Well, today was a nice surprise. I have no idea what those ships were doing so close to my carrier base, but I'll take them.  This is a nice list, and will swell as the days go on!
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May 12, 2017 17:55
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Not to belittle your accomplishment or anything but man WITP would be so much better of a game if they could figure out how to get the AI to not constantly throw unescorted convoys into unfriendly waters over and over again.
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May 12, 2017 18:06
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Obviously the Allies are trying to construct artificial reefs so they can retake DEI and the Philippines by land directly from San Francisco.
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May 12, 2017 18:53
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AKs and AKAs are good gets.
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May 12, 2017 19:14
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So are APAs.
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May 12, 2017 20:02
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I'm starting to get echoes of the War in the East LP, to be honest.
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May 12, 2017 20:43
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professor_curly posted:I'm starting to get echoes of the War in the East LP, to be honest. Maybe he could hang Stalin a second time from the East this time!
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May 12, 2017 21:14
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The real opponent in this game isn't the AI. It's the UI.
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May 12, 2017 21:28
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professor_curly posted:I'm starting to get echoes of the War in the East LP, to be honest. Just wait... unlike in WitE, an Axis player of WitP faces an enemy that grows stronger and stronger regardless of your actions. There's no chance to put FDR on the ropes like you could with Stalin.
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May 12, 2017 22:03
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The Allies getting a bunch of carriers isn't going to help much if they trickle up to the front in small groups like the last few.
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May 13, 2017 01:58
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Murgos posted:The Allies getting a bunch of carriers isn't going to help much if they trickle up to the front in small groups like the last few. With the exception of that CVE, any Allied CVs are safely stashed in places where Grey can't get at them. So, does WitP simulate how absolutely awful units from The Reformed Government (aka the Japanese puppet government in China) were? They couldn't go toe to toe with Communist Partisans, I don't want to know how they'll perform vs actually trained Allied troops.
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May 13, 2017 04:02
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Is there some kind of penalty for having a ton of carriers in the same task force?
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Phi230 posted:Is there some kind of penalty for having a ton of carriers in the same task force? Yep. I don't know the specific because this game can be super esoteric, but (in the early-mid war at least) the Allies are pretty much required to have no more than 2 carriers per TG. The Japanese have different rules iirc.
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Drone posted:Yep. I don't know the specific because this game can be super esoteric, but (in the early-mid war at least) the Allies are pretty much required to have no more than 2 carriers per TG. The Japanese have different rules iirc. The penalty is just a coordination penalty, so that your strikes arrive in many parts instead of a cohesive strike. However, it's often worth it to take the coordination penalty and operate your carriers in one TF anyway, the penalty doesn't apply to your CAP and the coordination penalty is chance based, which means that you can still sometimes get a good result in 42 despite the penalty.
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paradigmblue posted:However, it's often worth it to take the coordination penalty and operate your carriers in one TF anyway, the penalty doesn't apply to your CAP and the coordination penalty is chance based, which means that you can still sometimes get a good result in 42 despite the penalty. I think that the CAP draws from all carriers even if they're in different TFs as long as they're in the same hex.
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  Protect those tankers!  So, remember those ships I sortied against the ghost contact? Well I got to wondering what would happen if I sent them down to Noumea...  Liberators continue to be Liberators.  You guys are an embarrassment to the nation!  This is not the best performance either.  This is much more like it!  The RAF seem to be stepping things up a gear!  That was a lot of air combat all of a sudden. We came out on top again.  Some good news and some bad news on the ship reports.
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May 13, 2017 17:30
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That must have been a huge tanker.
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May 13, 2017 17:47
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Tankers come in all sizes in this game an just get the designation TK. Looking at the combat screen, the Santa Maria is larger than the DDs torpedoing it, and almost as large as the BB. And then there's the other TK, Isis, which looks like a converted AK. There are converted cargo ships that specialize in oil transport and there are specialized oil transport ships; visual cues and oil capacity (hidden 3 menus deep) or victory points (hidden 3 different menus deep) is how to tell them apart. I'm joking. Somewhat.
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CannonFodder posted:Tankers come in all sizes in this game an just get the designation TK. Looking at the combat screen, the Santa Maria is larger than the DDs torpedoing it, and almost as large as the BB. And then there's the other TK, Isis, which looks like a converted AK. Yeah, looks like a T2-SE-A2 tanker. General characteristics Displacement: 21,880 tons full 5,532 tons light Length: 524 ft (160 m) Beam: 68 ft (21 m) Draft: 30 ft (9.1 m) Propulsion: Turbo-electric, single screw, 6,000 hp (4,500 kW) Speed: 16.5 knots (31 km/h; 19 mph) Complement: 52 mariners A huge tanker.
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Santa Maria is also one of the tankers capable of acting as a fleet oiler, which makes it a bit more valuable.
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  Curses!  Allied subs seem to be a bit more active all of a sudden – I wish mine were! At least this one is hit by the escorts.   What the. Did PACOM set a fire under the Sub commanders asses or something?  Just subs today – the planes did nothing of interest.  Its just a shame they were not MY subs!
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May 14, 2017 18:09
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Grey Hunter posted:
Don't you mean "Billions of blue blistering barnacles"
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14 May 1943 German minesweeper M.8, torpedoed off the Hook of Holland by British MTB 232.
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  The range on these things is terrifying.  Have they opened up a new base or something?  Those were some new targets for the Liberators, I hope they don't get in range of something important.
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Grey Hunter posted:Those were some new targets for the Liberators, I hope they don't get in range of something important. Strategic bombing of the Japanese HI started in June of 1944, so you've got about a year yet, hopefully.
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