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In my 14 game I had a train going to all my outposts carrying ammo, bots, repair packs, spare turrets and walls for fully automated defence maintenance. I haven't bothered in my 15 trains game, since if biters wear down the defences anywhere I can delete the offending nest in a hail of uranium-fuelled fury and it won't come back.
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I'm digging gun turrets + uranium ammo. Especially as the bullets are so cheap because you end up with shtiloads of the crappy unraniumvOv posted:Is there a babby's guide to nuclear power somewher? I just got it researched and I'm running up against the limit of how much I want to deal with steam. Does a pretty good job of handholding through each of the major processes in nuclear power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Eh7sz1Pik
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Truga posted:Laser turrets should be a (very) power hungry version of the flamer turret, IMO. Fire damage, set biters on fire (which will then act as if the ground is burning like with flamer turret). Bonus points if you come up with some sort of death star like mechanism, where multiple lasers can channel into a big one and have increased range and cause bigger fires. Sounds like Harvest: Massive Encounter. Truga posted:Put a massive square of concrete down, make a blueprint out of it, stamp that a few times, make a blueprint out of that, then use that to stamp out concrete. have a blueprint book: https://pastebin.com/Qgy5uqAX Also: You can capture blueprints in the map radar-vision mode. 
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Zetsubou-san posted:Sounds like Harvest: Massive Encounter. Radar vision is loving incredible. With long reach you can even place buildings (but not remove them). It's the god drat best.
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3816431 Goon server restarted! Now with mods. Please enjoy.
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President Ark posted:keep in mind when designing your labs that there's 6* science packs now so you'll need room for two belts running a different science pack on each side plus a belt on the opposite side of the lab with the last two science packs You can run 3 belts on the inside and use underground belts / long arm inserters to do it as well.
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vOv posted:Is there a babby's guide to nuclear power somewher? I just got it researched and I'm running up against the limit of how much I want to deal with steam. The only thing I found when I was trying to figure out nuclear was a video that's like half an hour long. I would much rather read something for 5 minutes than watch a video for 30, so here's this for you. You need to harvest uranium ore first. Electric drillers, when fed sulfuric acid, will do the work. They take a pretty small amount of acid to do it and you can link them together like boilers to share the supply so it's not really a big deal, just know you need to transport the acid to the patch. 10 uranium ore in a centrifuge will yield 1 unit of either uranium-238 (99.3% of the time) or uranium-235 (0.7% of the time). This means it takes ten thousand raw uranium ore to yield just seven pieces of U-235. Once you research the Kovarex Enrichment process you can convert U-238 to U-235 but it requires a starter fund of 40 units of U-235, so you may want to get to saving early. Kovarex massively improves your fuel manufacturing and in the early game you might not be able to operate a large nuclear system, so don't scrap the steam power just yet. You need both U-238 and U-235 to make fuel cells for reactors in an assembler. It takes 19 units of U-238 and 1 of U-235 to make ten fuel cells. Feed the fuel cells into a reactor. All of the extra U-238 should be saved for when you research Uranium Ammo (which is a yellow tech) because uranium bullets, as discussed earlier, are by far the most powerful munition in the game for turrets. Reactors have this thing called "neighbor bonus" where, if you have multiple reactors touching each other, you get the combined power of more reactors than if they were separate. The math is easy enough: each reactor counts as 1 reactor (for itself) plus 1 reactor for every other reactor adjacent to them. They have to be fully touching each other -- they can't be offset at all, nor can they be connected by heat pipes, they have to totally touch. Ultimately this means four reactors in a 2x2 square has an effective reactor count of twelve. The optimal layout for reactors is a rectangle 2 wide and n long, to maximize the number of reactors that have a neighbor bonus of 300%. Reactors need to have one side exposed to insert fuel and remove spent fuel cells, unless you plan on feeding them all by hand. The generated heat in a reactor grid is shared among all of the reactors evenly, but each individual reactor needs to be fueled. Ejected fuel cells can be converted back to U-238, once you research the tech. Each effective reactor count can power four heat exchangers, which are basically boilers, so you need to provide them with water. Connect reactors to exchangers via heat pipes. Exchangers generate steam, which you pipe over to steam turbines (not steam engines) via traditional pipes. Each effective reactor count can power seven turbines. The turbines are what make electricity, so link them with power poles like normal and you're done. Four reactors have an effective reactor count of twelve, which can power 48 heat exchangers that you then link to 84 steam turbines. Unlike boilers, which will stop eating coal if you're not drawing enough power from the steam engines, nuclear reactors will consume fuel cells all the time even if you're not using all the power. The "easiest" way to manage this is to have the exchangers pump the steam into tanks, and link the tanks via circuits to the inserters that are feeding fuel to the reactors. Figure out what works for you. 
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May 8, 2017 14:08
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Zetsubou-san posted:rocket launched in 14:59:38 I spent four hours last night making half of a rainbow science setup, then realized I hosed up and I won't have space to fit it all so I have to tear it down and built it somewhere else. 
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May 8, 2017 14:14
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RyokoTK posted:Kovarex massively improves your fuel manufacturing and in the early game you might not be able to operate a large nuclear system, so don't scrap the steam power just yet
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May 8, 2017 14:25
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Kovarex requires yellow tech and basic nuclear only requires blue so there may be a very large gap between those two.
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May 8, 2017 14:29
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Collateral Damage posted:I feel I'll never manage one of these "speed runs" because I always spend the first 10 hours or so just faffing about. Same here, but with blueprints now available from the start I could see it as more of a fun challenge than a frantic full DIY grind.
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May 8, 2017 14:30
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RyokoTK posted:Kovarex requires yellow tech and basic nuclear only requires blue so there may be a very large gap between those two. Fair enough. I guess as long as you build a nice big centrifuge farm getting U235 the natural way may be viable.
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May 8, 2017 14:37
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Use all your excess U-238 to make uranium bullets.
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May 8, 2017 14:41
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I haven't tried yet, but can't you start mining Uranium as soon as you're making sulfuric acid? I don't think you need the nuclear research first.
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May 8, 2017 14:51
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Onean posted:I haven't tried yet, but can't you start mining Uranium as soon as you're making sulfuric acid? I don't think you need the nuclear research first. That is I think correct, and you probably should do that to get a head start.
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May 8, 2017 15:01
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You can mine and stockpile uranium as soon as you have acid. Without enriching you can still produce enough fuel for one or two reactors as long as you're mining enough uranium, or sparing with nuclear. I originally set it up to feed in fuel only when my accumulators ran low. It's inefficient, but the reactor produces so much power I couldn't hope to store it all efficiently anyway. Kovarex is a bigger science investment than the rocket silo if I recall correctly. It's very much a post-game thing, more suited for building nuclear rockets than reactors.
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May 8, 2017 15:07
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Tenebrais posted:Kovarex is a bigger science investment than the rocket silo if I recall correctly. It's very much a post-game thing, more suited for building nuclear rockets than reactors. This is technically true, but the expensive part of the rocket silo stuff isn't the tech.  On my first 0.15 playthrough I got Kovarex pretty much first when I unlocked yellow tech so I could scrub all of my steam power and go purely nuclear. I was shipping from three different uranium patches but I was powering ten reactors with absolutely no trouble.
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Onean posted:I haven't tried yet, but can't you start mining Uranium as soon as you're making sulfuric acid? I don't think you need the nuclear research first.
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It would be pretty cool if there were tiers for nuclear, where you start out with a low efficiency uranium ore fueled atomic pile, advance into the current more efficient refined uranium fueled reactor, then on to fusion reactors where you first have to breed deuterium and tritium using a fission reactor, then ignite the fusion using a massive amount of power. 
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Collateral Damage posted:It would be pretty cool if there were tiers for nuclear, where you start out with a low efficiency uranium ore fueled atomic pile, advance into the current more efficient refined uranium fueled reactor, then on to fusion reactors where you first have to breed deuterium and tritium using a fission reactor, then ignite the fusion using a massive amount of power. Right now I'd be happy to get a PUREX fuel cycle.
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RyokoTK posted:This is technically true, but the expensive part of the rocket silo stuff isn't the tech. They're pretty close these days. 1000 gold science requires much more circuitry than 1000 guidance computers, for example.
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 Put a programmable speaker on your uranium line to ding whenever a Good Uranium shows up!Also in this shot, my "centrifuge"  Bonus: proper* Kovarex procedure [filter inserters take extra U235 when box > 100]  *Yea I know about the redundant beacons, it was set up by a teammate and I'm too lazy to fix it A couple nuke-friendly numbers: 1) 1 Centrifuge = 4 Mines 2) ∞ Mines = Enough (for now) 3) Reactors should always be in a 2 by X line (2x2 is fine, 2x8 is better, 2x146 is perfectly optimized) 4) With this setup, you should have (16R - 16) Heat Exchangers per Reactor (16 for 2, 112 for 8, and 4656 is perfectly optimized) 5) Steam Turbines are at the easy-to-remember 500 Turbines per 291 Exchangers ratio (that's 7:4 if you're lazy, or 8000 for perfect) 6) 1 Offshore pump per 20 Turbines Completely Optimized Setup 292 nuclear reactors 400 offshore pumps 4656 Heat exchangers 8000 steam turbines Now all I need is a good number on pipe fluid/sec capacity. I'm guessing it's the same as Offshore Pumps but 
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I had a small 7k uranium patch in one game and it lasted me for I think 8 in-game hours with the initial centrifuge separation into a 4 reactor setup. Fuel lasts forever and I like to switch to nuclear right after I finish blue science (which is after military science). It takes massive amounts of steel and copper but generally I've overbuilt steel in preparation for production science so I have enough to spare. My factory progression in the last few games has gone: 2 copper / 6-8 iron coal drills proto-factory of red/green feeding 2 science labs and outputting extra inserters, belts, gears, and circuits to chests 1 line of 24 iron smelters & drills initial 8 boiler / 16 engine power setup 1 line of 24 copper smelters & drills belt creation & proper ratio red/green science Research red belts, military to piercing ammo, steel, then everything that requires only red/green science, especially flight and bot speed make the section of factory for creation of all inserter types, red belt, splitter, underground 2 more lines of 24 iron smelters & drills, 1 going into a line of 24 steel smelters add 4-8 more boilers military science packs put pumpjacks down and start stockpiling crude in tanks temporary refinery setup that outputs sulfur to belt sulfuric acid and small battery factory creation near any uranium ore, start mining it into a chest into a centrifuge take piercing ammo and clear out any nearby nests research construction bots, personal roboport, nuclear science set up factory part of blue science, plus the 5 engine -> electric engine & extra red circuit piece of production science rush expert material processing, switch over, connect water tubes, place rest of larger refinery, finish blue science create 20 construction bots & a few 10s of blue circuits using temp chest-fed frame factory build a tank and scout for materials, clear out biters get basic railway up if needed for materials use construction bots to build nuclear plant to replace boilers, tear down boilers tear down smelters and replace with electric furnaces & switch to rail-fed outpost system finish production science
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Loopoo posted:The fact you have 9 lanes there makes me hurt so bad inside, cause I know you're not gonna balance those input belts. You make me sad. Also the station exits coming down and intersecting with the entrances 
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A Cool And Good Uranium And Oil Mining Experience, presented by Evilreaver: 1) Limit all boxes to 200 ore 2) Link all boxes with wire 3) Tell station to 'activate when Uranium Ore > 2000 [per car]' 4) Name all your Uranium stations the same name 5) Have your train at Home (until Acid > 2000, Uranium = 0) and Outpost (until U=2000), that's it 6) Plonk down outposts on every Uranium patch you can see 7) Bonus  - attach a Speaker to your biggest miner with a 'total resource count' to global-alert "Dead Mine" when it reaches 0There's no need for a remote tank of acid, since the pumps+pipes+mines hold a large enough backlog to easily mine enough to get the train to come back The same procedure with obvious changes works for Oil as well, just 'activate when Oil > 74,000 [per car]'. If there are no active stations, your train will happily loaf around at home until needed. Always pump to/from tanks DIRECTLY. Pump-to-tank has a much higher throughput than pump-to-pipe-to-tank. Also I noticed last night that when you /color yourself, you turrets and gates inherit your color choice [or rather, the server host's color], which is neat 
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Manyorcas posted:From my own observations (it's been a while since I played with biters on and used laser turrets), laser turrets seem to be smart and already know which biters are about to die from incoming laser fire. I would see all of my lasers suddenly shut down split seconds before the last biter would die while the final few bolts were picking off stragglers. I never really tested it though if anyone is certain this is untrue though. I believe this is true. I've even noticed my SMG ceasing to fire on 'doomed' bugs, but I haven't empirically tested it. Regardless, since lasers hit so hard they're overkilling some bugs per shot anyway, which means the slow shot and refire wastes DPS anyway. ------------- Something I've been thinking about : we need a low-tech way to charge our suits/modular armor that isn't solar cells, like a charging station hooked up to the power grid or something. Also a high-tech inductive charger for bots. The idea I like most (for the high-tech thing) is Inductive Plating: Expensive as poo poo (concrete + Bluechip x2 per square), acts like a power pole to power buildings/itself, and power armor/worker bots don't spend their own energy while over inductive tile. They don't recharge; they just don't count down either. Combat bots don't count down either for that matter. 130% walk speed.  If it glowed blue it would look  for high tech bases.
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Tenebrais posted:You can mine and stockpile uranium as soon as you have acid. Without enriching you can still produce enough fuel for one or two reactors as long as you're mining enough uranium, or sparing with nuclear. I originally set it up to feed in fuel only when my accumulators ran low. It's inefficient, but the reactor produces so much power I couldn't hope to store it all efficiently anyway. You could try using the reactor interface to input fuel when all the following conditions are met: no input inventory, fuel burn remaining == 0, temperature < 500 (or whatever reactor temperature gives you 500 degrees at your heat exchangers). Collateral Damage posted:It would be pretty cool if there were tiers for nuclear, where you start out with a low efficiency uranium ore fueled atomic pile, advance into the current more efficient refined uranium fueled reactor, then on to fusion reactors where you first have to breed deuterium and tritium using a fission reactor, then ignite the fusion using a massive amount of power. Fray posted:Right now I'd be happy to get a PUREX fuel cycle. https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=45714 Simple so far, but suggestions welcome!
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No one's posted stations yet so here's the ones that I've built. They're for mid-game use and empty into 4 red belts. Input:  Output:  I tile them stacked on each other like this:  Blueprint Book: https://pastebin.com/GqgXBb48
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Speaking of stations; this mod is cool and good.
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Collateral Damage posted:I feel I'll never manage one of these "speed runs" because I always spend the first 10 hours or so just faffing about. E. The most important thing to learn is never knock anything down. Multiple instances of bad units will always produce more than one perfectly sperged unit at the expense of rebuilding it 15 times.
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Firos posted:Speaking of stations; this mod is cool and good. Oh my god this mod just changed my life.
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I'm still trying to come up with a good blueprint of production and high-tech science. I start out strong with red and green and military and then it all just falls apart into belt hell.
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Chev posted:Fair enough. I guess as long as you build a nice big centrifuge farm getting U235 the natural way may be viable. From what I've seen somewhere between a dozen and twenty centrifuges should be enough to run four reactors with no extra processing. I'm running two with less centrifuges for 160MW of power.
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zedprime posted:15 hours used to be a really comfortably pondering RSO and power armor game. With production and high tech science I don't know anymore but there's only so many ways to skin a cat and you can figure them all out in your first 20-30 hour game and everything after that you've got blueprints either in game or in your head and iterating on them is fast enough you can still try new experiments. On goon island with messed up small resource patches, it was about 6 hours to purple science, 5.5 and 7 hours to yellow (I started building yellow before realizing I had skipped purple). I am really hoping my 8 hours remaining is enough time to establish a rail station and find mainland sources for oil and iron because plastic is killing me right now, and my two small iron patches are dwindling.
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Anyone have a good circuit setup that allows you to gate electricity in a manner that prioritizes specified sections? Ideally, I'd like to be able to shut off manufacturing when laser turrets are firing, but also allow coal miners to continue unabated. We've had a cascade failure where turrets fire, drain juice which slows coal mining, which in turn slows down down boilers, which then reduces electricity; at this point the spiral is complete and the whole thing fails. Then bugs attack.
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Trivia posted:Anyone have a good circuit setup that allows you to gate electricity in a manner that prioritizes specified sections? I'm terrible with circuits so I just have my coal mining setup and the inverters for my power plants on a separate grid run by solar with accumulators. It's saved me many many times. Edit: Steam Storage is also a safe way of ensuring you'll have electricity after the attack as well. Brainbread fucked around with this message at 19:37 on May 8, 2017 |
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General idea, put an accumulator on the power network. Switch manufacturing off of it dips below say 90%, switch manufacturing back on after timer expires. I really need to design a general purpose counter/timer with an easy reset signal.
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Trivia posted:Anyone have a good circuit setup that allows you to gate electricity in a manner that prioritizes specified sections? Could probably just tie logic to an accumulator and turn poo poo off if the accumulator hits zero. Or you could just put down accumulators with the laser turrets, scaled with firing speed upgrades. 3 or 4ish per laser turret seems to be generally sufficient. I hate laser turrets in general though because I'm a retard and won't notice I'm running a power deficit until I've got poo poo running slow enough that I notice at a glance. With laser turrets this is potentially very bad. Maybe I should run a blaring alarm that goes off attached to an idiot proofing accumulator. Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 19:44 on May 8, 2017 |
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I just have a couple of separate steam engines that power the coal miners and nothing else. Those in turn get their coal from burner miners/inserters. So even if the factory suffers a brownout the coal miners will keep working at full speed.
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