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patonthebach posted:Is there a lot of Wilt footage out there? Maybe I am extrapolating a lot but I cant imagine him being fast enough for todays NBA Wilt Chamberlain was a track and field champion who could dunk on a 12-foot rim, once blocked a dunk attempt so hard he dislocated the guy's shoulder, and once dunked so hard the ball shot down to the court and broke the guy he dunked on's toe. Physically he was basically Kevin Garnett if Kevin Garnett was 2 inches taller and weighed 300 pounds of pure muscle
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milk milk lemonade posted:If you gave Jordan modern nutriotion, training, and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches instead of having him smoke cigars and gamble all night past his bedtime he would've won 10 championships Now this is a spicy take
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You could still double-team guys with old defense rules, and you can still move into the paint on a drive, you just couldn't hang out in the paint. It did have an effect, but I think people think it meant no defensive schemes, and that's not right either. Same with hand-checking. Removing it did change how you defended, but it wasn't like you were wrapping guys up or anything. The biggest change in defense is now guys come into the league with more skills, and it's more likely they will be more effective at playing defense. Lots of guys in the 80s and 90s who were starters wouldn't get play today because they only did 2 things well and neither were defensive. Tae posted:Dennis rodman would have to play center in todays league. And pippen would probably play a lot of 4. Rodman played a ton of center in the 90s too, he just didn't start there. Rodman is an excellent choice in that fantasy, have to win this game or I die draft. There are guys out there who did 85% of MJ or Lebron. Rodman is a gigantic outlier.
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May 8, 2017 14:32
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Could also be noted that up until some time in the 90s* basketball players didn't even weight-train because it was thought muscles would "get in the way" of a lot of stuff basketball players were trying to do (want to stay light to jump high, muscles are too heavy! It was silly but). Chamberlain would have been even stronger, even better with modern techniques. *that "some time in the 90s" is also known as the Michael Jordan Steroid Era  
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Lockback posted:Rodman is an excellent choice in that fantasy, have to win this game or I die draft. There are guys out there who did 85% of MJ or Lebron. Rodman is a gigantic outlier. I'll put that Rodman article on the All-Time Required Reading For Anyone With Even A Passing Interest In NBA Stats that I'm making up right now, maybe along with the "no-stats all-star" nytimes article on Shane Battier https://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-guide/ edit: for totally different reasons. Rodman article is great all-around, Battier article was maybe just the first mainstream recognition that you could really dive into stats on basketball to improve a team same as was being done with baseball. Changed opinions? Eh whatever EvanTH fucked around with this message at 14:40 on May 8, 2017 |
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WhyteRyce posted:Would you rather have Demare Carroll or Chandler Parsons right now, contact and all 30.2/2 for a .098 ws/48 guy OR 72.3/3 for a .016 ws/48 guy Gee I wonder who everyone would rather take?
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Paul Zuvella posted:30.2/2 for a .098 ws/48 guy Carroll should be taxed for thinking he's some sort of fashion icon instead of a dude with an ugly bleach job and shiny clothes
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Like there is a real chance Chandler Parson's will never be able to play competitive basketball again. Demarre Carrol is juts not living up to his contract.
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I'd rather have my albatross never step on the court compared to what Carroll did this series. And maybe insurance chops off a year or two of the deal
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It took a couple of pages but I'm glad the GOAT discussion finally got around to acknowledging that the 'GOAT' question is implicitly 'except for Wilt'.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Like there is a real chance Chandler Parson's will never be able to play competitive basketball again.
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BWV posted:This is why Carroll is worse. He actually gets to play. I'd rather have an injured player than this sieve of a defender who can't shoot lmao yeah that totally makes sense. Take the guy who has the way bigger cap hit and literally cannot play.
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Who could've predicted a 30+ year old second round pick who worked himself into a good role player in spite of his limited skill and athleticism wouldn't be very good after a major injury
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Paul Zuvella posted:lmao yeah that totally makes sense. Take the guy who has the way bigger cap hit and literally cannot play. Sunk cost fallacy with Carroll. You're paying him either way, I'd rather his 10-15 pity MPG goes to someone else
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Mandrel posted:Who could've predicted a 30+ year old second round pick who worked himself into a good role player in spite of his limited skill and athleticism wouldn't be very good after a major injury That actually sounds rather predictable.
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WhyteRyce posted:Sunk cost fallacy with Carroll. You're paying him either way, I'd rather his 10-15 pity MPG goes to someone else Demarre Carrol is still a useful NBA player though, he drat near was at .1 WS/48. That's a rotation player.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:That actually sounds rather predictable. That's The Joke
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Paul Zuvella posted:Demarre Carrol is still a useful NBA player though, he drat near was at .1 WS/48. He averaged 1/2/0 in the Cavs series 
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Chairchucker posted:It took a couple of pages but I'm glad the GOAT discussion finally got around to acknowledging that the 'GOAT' question is implicitly 'except for Wilt'. If Lebron played in the sixities how do you think he would have made out. How about Shaq then?
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Wilt died in 1999 right? I fully expect his reincarnated self to emerge out of nowhere in like two years
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Carroll is not a useful player. He is an anchor who only gets minutes because he's kidnapped the coach's family. Getting starter minutes for a team with the best point differential in the east should yield better results. I would rather they replace him with literally anyone. His usage should be zero.
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I'd like to say for the record, as a basketball idiot I said in this thread when the Raptors signed him, "whos this carroll guy? Hes only a 74 on NBA 2k15, why are we paying starter money?" And everyone called me an idiot (rightfully so). Turns out hes more like a 60 this season. edit: Raps 2.0 - dont try to resign lowry, he will get 4 years from some dumb team - try to sign Ibaka if he will give you a 2 year contract (maybe 3... but thats pretty risky) - lose patterson - trade JV if there is something decent coming back and start BeBe - Have Delon Wright be the main defense first PG / CuJo unfortunately will 'run' the court and feed to DeRozan - Norm Powell as a starter - Sign Tucker for 1 or 2 years if he will take backup money
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patonthebach posted:If Lebron played in the sixities how do you think he would have made out.
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What is the worst team to win the NBA championship in terms of overall talent?
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Bigass Moth posted:What is the worst team to win the NBA championship in terms of overall talent? *rolls 1d70* I'm going to go with the sixties Celtics
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Bigass Moth posted:What is the worst team to win the NBA championship in terms of overall talent? Pistons
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Chairchucker posted:It took a couple of pages but I'm glad the GOAT discussion finally got around to acknowledging that the 'GOAT' question is implicitly 'except for Wilt'. Wilt was playing against Bill Russell, and the rest of the league at that time was that kinda tall accountant from the finance department at work who had a part time job playing basketball. His numbers were stupid insane because he was about 30yrs ahead of his time, before the NBA became a lucrative full time career for everyone involved. It was a completely different epoch in the history of the game. It would be like trying to compare Mike Trout to some pitcher from the 1874 Cincinatti Red Stockings who struck out every guy he faced because every guy he faced was playing base-ball for the first time ever. It happens with every sport. Before a league gets big and popular and rich enough that everyone takes it seriously and can focus on it full time, only the top echelon guys can afford to focus all their time on it. Being able to do that makes them much much better than their rivals. Nowadays, even bench scrubs have the same access to training, and have dedicated their entire lives to their sport. The advantage the top guys have is lessened. This is why it's probably best to set his numbers to the side in these conversations. Wilt is the answer to the question "what if <insert whatever modern player> was transported back to the 50's or 60's?".
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Pistons Oh no *pulls the pull only in case of an emergency switch and crouches under a table while holding both my ears with my hands*
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Jota posted:N: "Washington starters have outscored Boston starters 96-48" I wish I could frame that entire 26-0 run. The playoffs are great.
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patonthebach posted:I'd like to say for the record, as a basketball idiot I said in this thread when the Raptors signed him, "whos this carroll guy? Hes only a 74 on NBA 2k15, why are we paying starter money?" And everyone called me an idiot (rightfully so). Turns out hes more like a 60 this season. HowToCreateA7Seed.txt
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Bigass Moth posted:What is the worst team to win the NBA championship in terms of overall talent? The Antoine Walker Miami Heat 
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patonthebach posted:If Lebron played in the sixities how do you think he would have made out. How about Shaq then? I reckon Lebron would've been the second best player in the league.
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Defense in the 60s and early 70s must have been hysterical (and from the clips I've seen it was). There were years where the league average pace was above 120.The fastest teams this year wouldn't move from the bottom slot for decades.
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Bigass Moth posted:What is the worst team to win the NBA championship in terms of overall talent? The '78 Bullets only won 44 games and were a #3 seed. The only stand out players they had were Elvin Hayes and maybe Wes Unseld.
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Mandrel posted:Who could've predicted a 30+ year old second round pick who worked himself into a good role player in spite of his limited skill and athleticism wouldn't be very good after a major injury Hawks fans used to hype up Atlanta University but it looks like all that did was get Carroll and Bazemore paid
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TomSwervo posted:The '78 Bullets only won 44 games and were a #3 seed. The only stand out players they had were Elvin Hayes and maybe Wes Unseld. Both of those guys are Hall of Famers. I don't think there were any on the '79 Sonics (though there were several all stars). Ben Wallace might get in for the '04 Pistons because he was one of the most dominant defenders ever, but I don't see anyone else getting in.
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