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Mind over Matter
Jun 1, 2007
Four to a dollar.



bamhand posted:

Landing roots is super fun. AoE silence to counter a dive is even more fun.

I feel like they should be, but I don't know. I just find no joy in playing Malfurion, and I'm someone who even likes the character game mechanics aside. He just doesn't click with me at all. Less than any other support.

In other news, I've been playing around with a Drain Life build for Gul'dan. While I certainly can't claim it's better or more useful than a Corruption or even a Fel Flame build, it is a fun gently caress around variation to eat souls with.

exquisite tea posted:

He's no Lt. Morales, that's for sure.

I honestly don't know if this is a dig or not, but for whatever reason I find Morales way, way, way more interesting to play.

Mind over Matter fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 8, 2017

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Orthodox Rabbit
Jun 2, 2006

This game is perfect for empty-headed dunces that don't like to think much!! Of course, I'm a genius... I wonder why I'm so good at it?!
Auriel is my go to fun support right now. Damage no cooldown Q build build is pretty fun and resurrection is cool now.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Mind over Matter posted:

I honestly don't know if this is a dig or not, but for whatever reason I find Morales way, way, way more interesting to play.

Morales is a really good and fun hero.

D.Ork Bimboolean
Aug 26, 2016

exquisite tea posted:

Morales is a really good and fun hero.

...Mods?


Lets do an experiment where we intentionally ignore pushing the payloads until we push the towers in. I wonder if that is a superior strat then desperately sinking each pload as fast as possible.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010
When you bust a keep is it one round of sappers or is it one sapper for every minion wave?

HelixFox
Dec 20, 2004

Heed the words of this ancient spirit.

bamhand posted:

When you bust a keep is it one round of sappers or is it one sapper for every minion wave?

Every wave, equivalent to catapults in normal maps.

Dragongem
Nov 9, 2009

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion
I really like Hanamura for disrupting the normal flow of a game. It rewards good communication and resource allocation. I'm really interested to see if a pro game goes on it (I haven't seen one yet). HOTS is at its best (imo) when Blizzard is really changing core assumptions.

I will agree it could use a little bit of streamlining. There's a lot going on in the map and cutting a few things might help it.

Primetime
Jul 3, 2009

Dragongem posted:

I really like Hanamura for disrupting the normal flow of a game. It rewards good communication and resource allocation. I'm really interested to see if a pro game goes on it (I haven't seen one yet). HOTS is at its best (imo) when Blizzard is really changing core assumptions.

I will agree it could use a little bit of streamlining. There's a lot going on in the map and cutting a few things might help it.

My problem with hanamura is it has the least rewarding come from behind victories out of any map. On most maps if you win a late game teamfight there's a mad scramble to push down forts and end the game before the enemy team can respawn.

My most dramatic win on hanamura had us wipe the enemy team from getting a turn in when they were right on the end point with one shot left...then we sat around pushing payloads for 40 seconds with no fear of retribution before we could officially win.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Hanamura has tricked everyone. It's a conventional map. The carts don't matter, forts and keeps do. Clear the buildings and push the carts in the same manner you'd clear the buildings and activate the shrines on Infernal Shrines.


Dragongem posted:

HOTS is at its best (imo) when Blizzard is really changing core assumptions.

I agree

2 SPOOKY
Sep 9, 2010

Always Be Alert!
How does Team League placement work, generally speaking? I play with a group of friends that has 5+ people on most evenings, with a fairly wide (low silver/bronze to high plat in QM) variety of skill levels. None of us have done any ranked modes before.

Is it all about the W/L record from the 10 placement games? Does it consider the skill of the players you beat/lose to in those games? Is there any initial seeding with your MMR from other modes?

WITCHCRAFT
Aug 28, 2007

Berries That Burn

Avalerion posted:

What do you folks do for Ragnaros? I've bren going with sulfuras build and try play him like a bruiser but finding he's too squishy for that.

I have had a good time with his meatball talents. Most people will step out of the way after they take a little damage, but the level 1 quest that lets you change the direction is really good and fixes this. It also has a lot more range than his Q so it's easier to poke and do siege damage with it. Q is better saved for hitting a creep wave just right so the AoE hits all of them and you get huge life steal from the swing. I played him as a push/siege kinda guy. Casting meteor across the turrets/walls/forts every time it's off CD. Watching every lane as my ult comes off CD, cast it almost right away to keep lane pressure up as often as you can. Don't waste it on nothing, but if you are sitting on that ult for 3-5 minutes you're doing it wrong.It is so easy for players to dodge, lights up the map with a big fuckoff EVACUATE sign and you can step off to the side of a lane anywhere in HotS. Just keep their poo poo pushed in every time it's ready to cast.

My other tip is to make sure you use alt+E to autocast on yourself when you need to run away or chase. The move speed boost is your only mobility thing. Alt+E while moving works much better than clicking your hero and desperately clicking in the direction you want to go after.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010
I think it takes either your HL or QM seed? Your placement will depend on the average MMR of your opposing teams that you win/lose against. Winning a game vs a team with higher MMR than you will place you higher than winning against an even team. Also your initial game results will increase/decrease your opponent's MMR more dramatically than your later games, e.g., winning 3 then losing 3 will result in higher placement than losing 3 and winning 3.

bamhand fucked around with this message at 17:37 on May 8, 2017

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Any specialist that can push hard dominates that map. People don't seem to understand that each fort taken is 1 fewer payload that needs to be pushed, which is huge.

I've actually won multiple games where a sieger pretty much fed all game but still took forts and we'd win with a 2 level disadvantage.

It's really a poorly designed map

How is that poor design?

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





D'Va video just went on facebook.

e; Dunno if she'll be good, but she looks fun.

Nephzinho fucked around with this message at 18:14 on May 8, 2017

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

D'va looks alright

Khorne
May 1, 2002

BrianBoitano posted:

I don't know of any who've gone from 4k to 2k in the past year and a half.
Gazlowe has. Unless he was 7k. I didn't own him and he's 2k now.
It's annoying watching people play who would do better with literal a-move than the anti-micro they're partaking in.

Also, otherwise liked the video especially the end.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 8, 2017

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

:dva:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlrAD_fkZ74

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

Rygar201 posted:

How is that poor design?

On most maps whoever murders the most guys, gains the most levels, and does the map objective wins. Hanamura weights the rewards for doing stuff a lot differently. It's like if all the other maps are variations on football/rugby/soccer and then Hanamura is golf.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."



That's cool, wasn't expecting Self-Destruct to be her E.

I wonder if it's usable for a split second after you're kicked out of mech form, similar to how it works in Overwatch. I am contractually obligated to play D.Va in any game she appears in so I'll have to get good with her no matter what.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine




A lot of that footage is on maps not in current rotation. As someone who isn't triggered by the current map pool, I find this hilarious.

I'm VERY surprised they made her self-destruct a basic ability, since contesting boss caps is a thing. She'll depend on her team a lot since she only has 1 DPS ability, but drat is it a good one.

e: seems like she gives 1.5x experience if she fully dies, since her mech grants half exp?

BrianBoitano fucked around with this message at 18:27 on May 8, 2017

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





BrianBoitano posted:

Most of that footage is on maps not in current rotation. As someone who isn't triggered by the current map pool, I find this hilarious.

I'm VERY surprised they made her self-destruct a basic ability, since contesting boss caps is a thing. She'll depend on her team a lot since she only has 1 DPS ability, but drat is it a good one.

She just shits out an annoying but nonthreatening amount of AOE damage at all times. She'll be useless against BW/Lucio, but super annoying for any single target healer.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Unless her numbers are godawful I can't see D.Va being anything but a first pick/ban given Self-Destructs forces a clearout of the area (or just soaking the damage) and she is potentially as constantly-present as Leoric. That's really key for taking objectives. I guess the lack of real CC is her drawback compared to other tanks.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010
Is D. Va no longer a professional Starcraft player and just a generic gamer now?

Dragongem
Nov 9, 2009

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion
Bunnyhop :dva:

Mind over Matter
Jun 1, 2007
Four to a dollar.



Fellatio del Toro posted:

I managed to lose a Hanamura match up 4-1 the other day so with god anything is possible

Just now had the same goddamn thing happen because out butcher refused to get anywhere near the team or the payload we needed to win until the rest of us were all dead. Enemy won a 4v5, pushed their own carts, capped boss and won.

I don't flame people but I just had to hold myself back really hard from a tirade of cursing at him in whispers after the game.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


bamhand posted:

Is D. Va no longer a professional Starcraft player and just a generic gamer now?

Last season D.Va had a mock profile on the SC2 ladder page, but I think she's always been just #1 gamer in everything in addition to Starcraft.

Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge
Every time I see "Weakness: CC" it sends off a massive red flag

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

PTR Patch Notes posted:

Design and Gameplay
Hearthstone
Using Hearthstone (Default: B) will no longer automatically snap the camera back to the allied Hall of Storms unless Camera Lock is enabled (Default: L).

loving FINALLY.

Edit: Alarak rework is in this patch, too.

BattleHamster
Mar 18, 2009

I've been wishing for a pit lord champion (Mannoroth) with AoE basic attacks for a long time. Dva looks pretty cool though so I think I can settle for her.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

I can't watch the video with sound, what does defense matrix actually do?

Trade Chat Troll
Jan 22, 2010
No Cop D.va skin? No deal.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


myron cope posted:

I can't watch the video with sound, what does defense matrix actually do?

Anyone Enemies in the AOE deal reduced damage.

wiegieman fucked around with this message at 18:55 on May 8, 2017

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


myron cope posted:

I can't watch the video with sound, what does defense matrix actually do?

Reduces all enemy damage in an area. Usable while moving but D.Va can't attack while it's active.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Chaos Reigns (Q)
Moved (to level 4) from Level 7
New Funtionality:
!Quest: Hit 15 enemy Heroes with Discord Strike.
Reward: Increase Discord Strike's damage by 60.
!Quest: Hit 2 enemy Heroes with of (sic) Discord Strike in a single cast.
Reward: Increase Discord Strike's damage by 60.
!Quest: Hit 3 enemy Heroes with Discord Strike in a single cast.
Reward: Increase Discord Strike's damage by 60 and complete all quests on this talent.

:psyboom:

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

exquisite tea posted:

Reduces all enemy damage in an area. Usable while moving but D.Va can't attack while it's active.

Seems pretty cool. And I'm bad at escaping CC anyway, so maybe I'll give d.va a shot :classiclol:

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


W.T. Fits posted:

loving FINALLY.

Edit: Alarak rework is in this patch, too.

At least post the link to it, I'm not seeing this anywhere either in the Official Blizzard App Launcher, the website, or the forums.

Orthodox Rabbit
Jun 2, 2006

This game is perfect for empty-headed dunces that don't like to think much!! Of course, I'm a genius... I wonder why I'm so good at it?!
The no camera snap when you hearthstone could be the only patch change and it would still be an incredible patch.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

BrianBoitano posted:

e: seems like she gives 1.5x experience if she fully dies, since her mech grants half exp?

Nope, each form is 50% XP according to the patch notes.

Shadowlyger
Nov 5, 2009

ElvUI super fan at your service!

Ask me any and all questions about UI customization via PM

W.T. Fits posted:

Chaos Reigns (Q)
Moved (to level 4) from Level 7
New Funtionality:
!Quest: Hit 15 enemy Heroes with Discord Strike.
Reward: Increase Discord Strike's damage by 60.
!Quest: Hit 2 enemy Heroes with of (sic) Discord Strike in a single cast.
Reward: Increase Discord Strike's damage by 60.
!Quest: Hit 3 enemy Heroes with Discord Strike in a single cast.
Reward: Increase Discord Strike's damage by 60 and complete all quests on this talent.

:psyboom:

Now THAT is a cool quest talent, rewarding you for using Discord Strike skillfully, rather than just lobbing it at as many people as possible in order to complete the quest.

W.T. Fits posted:

loving FINALLY.

Edit: Alarak rework is in this patch, too.

Post a goddamn link you monkey.

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Orthodox Rabbit
Jun 2, 2006

This game is perfect for empty-headed dunces that don't like to think much!! Of course, I'm a genius... I wonder why I'm so good at it?!
Here are the PTR notes:

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20766460/heroes-of-the-storm-ptr-notes-may-8-2017-5-8-2017

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