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Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

https://twitter.com/JaeAzizi/status/861618107000864768

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Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
THIS IS INCREDIBLE https://twitter.com/SLAMonline/status/861613521418813441

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Paul Zuvella posted:

This is the most boringly generic rap ever.

I mean it's on a drake track so it fits.

Menstrual Show
Jun 3, 2004


Chris Bosh used to post on RealGM iirc

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

Breakfast Defecting, Slow Dick Touching, Root Beer Barreling SwagVP
Haha there's only been 263 pairs of ZO2s sold.

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

Life, friends, is boring
Nene is out for the rest of the playoffs.

quote:

The Houston Rockets announced that Nene will miss the rest of the postseason with a left adductor tear.

BWV
Feb 24, 2005



Lawsuit is BS. As if a house owned by Bosh would have poo poo internet.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Strawberry Panda posted:

Haha there's only been 263 pairs of ZO2s sold.

WATCH OUT NIKE

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


Oh they rented it to live there not shoot a porn there.

Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Didn't someone die in Bosh's house a few years ago?

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Redgrendel2001 posted:

Didn't someone die in Bosh's house a few years ago?

Uh yeah, does Bosh own a murder house?

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



EvanTH posted:

Could also be noted that up until some time in the 90s* basketball players didn't even weight-train because it was thought muscles would "get in the way" of a lot of stuff basketball players were trying to do (want to stay light to jump high, muscles are too heavy! It was silly but). Chamberlain would have been even stronger, even better with modern techniques.


*that "some time in the 90s" is also known as the Michael Jordan Steroid Era



crazy that lebron dominates the modern nba today when he doesn't lift

Jota
May 6, 2003

uga-booga uga-booga

Jack's Flow posted:

Nene is out for the rest of the playoffs.

This is me right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEKB7pi1mbc


But pretend it's about the Warriors facing injured teams in the playoffs

Like both teams got major injuries just to ensure that the Warriors would get to face another one.

Jota fucked around with this message at 20:42 on May 8, 2017

Menstrual Show
Jun 3, 2004

Lockback posted:

Uh yeah, does Bosh own a murder house?

Wow, good memory

http://www.espn.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/8013288/masseuse-dies-collapsing-home-chris-bosh-miami-heat

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Jack's Flow posted:

Nene is out for the rest of the playoffs.

dang he's been a ton of fun to watch and has been balling out. who takes his minutes? houstons rotation has been extremely tight in the playoffs iirc

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
NBA athletes complaining about other guys being dirty is always rich as hell. i'm pretty sure every front court guy on the planet is playing exactly as dirty as they can get away with. if you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Jack's Flow posted:

Nene is out for the rest of the playoffs.

That sounds like a particularly unfun injury

Ghost Dog
Aug 17, 2016

leftist heap posted:

NBA athletes complaining about other guys being dirty is always rich as hell. i'm pretty sure every front court guy on the planet is playing exactly as dirty as they can get away with. if you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin

dray kicks people in the nuts constantly and olynk ripped a dudes shoulder out of socket cause hes too bad at sports to grab a rebound

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost
I want to know Dokmo's thoughts on Olynyk and his value in the NBA. Like, he has a decent 3pt stroke and great hands around the rim but I'm pretty sure he's terrible at rebounding and defense.

I dunno.

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Technically she didn't die in the house. She died at the hospital. :eng101:

Blind Pineapple
Oct 27, 2010

For The Perfect Fruit 'n' Kaman

1 part gin
1 part pomegranate syrup
Fill with pineapple juice
Serve over crushed ice

College Slice

Tae posted:

D'Antoni said Ryan Anderson is coming off the bench in game 5.

Uh, why?

To get more of his minutes at C with Nene out.

Nene is probably the worst non-Harden player that could go down for the Rockets, but we might get some playoff underhand free throws.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


leftist heap posted:

dang he's been a ton of fun to watch and has been balling out. who takes his minutes? houstons rotation has been extremely tight in the playoffs iirc

Montrezl was respectable when Capela went down in the regular season, I'd guess he'll be back

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

quote:

And what happens if a defender shaded towards the basket, like the guy in the middle here just under the FT line? The whistle got blown, as it did just after this screen shot.



The number of illegal defense calls suggest that the whistle didn't blow when this happened if it was happening all game long, especially considering how often it's been employed over the year. There has always been all types of zones and switching and traps whatever the rules were (the only "new" defensive strategies are those that are employed to guard the three point line). They dropped the rule because refs weren't enforcing it, and have been hesitant to enforce it throughout history:

quote:

The native Philadelphian observed that one thing he learned quickly in the NBA was that although zone defenses are illegal, he is faced with modified zones every time he plays.

"I was looking forward to the pro style of man-to-man defense, but in my case it's men on man. They sandwich me and drop other defenders off to try and steal the ball. I asked one official why he didn't invoke the no zone ruling and he replied:

"Too Much Else"

'"I haven't called a zone in this league in 11 years, and I'm not going to start to do it now. There is too much else going on that bears watching to bother looking for so-called zones."'

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bLocAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JGUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4547,1599737&dq



quote:

•Filling the seats: With certain exceptions, like Patrick Ewing, NBA teams are reluctant to pay for defensive stars. There are no true defensive stats besides blocks, steals ("Even they're misleading," says former Celtic, Buck and Net assistant John Killilea, "because they don't count attempts") and defensive rebounds, and a tough man-to-man defender's worth is hard to quantify come contract time. Every coach wants a guy like Denver's T.R. Dunn (a 6.3 points-per-game career scorer but a defensive demon), but general managers look at low score/low ticket sales stats and snap the purse shut.

•Racism: Some people really buy the cliché that black players, the vast NBA majority, only want to shoot. And as a corollary, they point to the fact that white guys are slow, but great on defense. This despite the fact that Bobby Jones is the only white player consistently singled out as a top defender.

And the NBA has another defensive problem. Ironically, while many of the uninitiated believe the NBA plays no D, many of the initiated believe it plays too much. Too much team defense, too much switching, too much pressing, too much half-court trapping, too much double-teaming. Too much, in short, of what most people call "zone." Bite your tongue. The NBA rule book does not acknowledge the word zone. In its stead is something called "illegal defense."

The fact is, everyone in the NBA plays zone to one degree or another. (With the possible exception of George Gervin, who plays neither zone nor man-to-man.) "A perfectly relevant question at this point," says Bob Ryan, the veteran basketball observer of The Boston Globe, "is, does anyone in the NBA play man-to-man?"

Ryan is only half kidding. A set of illegal defensive guidelines that (theoretically) eliminates the zone takes up nine pages of the 60-page NBA official's manual but still confuses spectators all the time—and coaches and players most of the time, not to mention the refs. Darell Garretson, the NBA's chief of officials, doubts that either Dallas's Dick Motta or San Antonio's Cotton Fitzsimmons fully understands the guidelines, which would not be so bad except that they (along with Milwaukee's Nelson) created them. Pete Newell, Golden State's director of player personnel and one of the most respected minds in the business, says, "There are a lot of people who don't understand the guidelines, and some of them wear whistles."


http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2998

quote:

After the Jazz practiced at the United Center today, Sloan was asked whether Pippen was guilty of defending illegally -- guarding the ball instead of his man -- a violation punishable by a technical foul after a warning. Sloan, perhaps Chicago's greatest defender before this current group of Bulls made their mark, would not take the bait.

''I didn't hear them call it, so I guess there was no illegal defense,'' he said. ''I think floater is the right word. Pippen is floating, and a lot of people didn't recognize it. We didn't adjust to it. It's not like we had time to stop the game and practice on it for a while.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/09/sports/nba-finals-every-turn-jazz-finds-pippen-bulls-consummate-defender-picks-apart.html

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

this is a really cool article, I think

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-beauty-basketball-james-harden-tennis-e773201f0fa7

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
i didn't watch basketball when illegal defense was a thing but it sounds really dumb

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

leftist heap posted:

i didn't watch basketball when illegal defense was a thing but it sounds really dumb

I did and it was dumb. There was a lot you were allowed to do (it wasn't 1-1 man only), but it was pretty dumb.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Rick posted:

The number of illegal defense calls suggest that the whistle didn't blow when this happened if it was happening all game long, especially considering how often it's been employed over the year. There has always been all types of zones and switching and traps whatever the rules were (the only "new" defensive strategies are those that are employed to guard the three point line). They dropped the rule because refs weren't enforcing it, and have been hesitant to enforce it throughout history:

It wasn't happening all game long, and no one was playing the Thibs style defense that emerged in the late 2000s and you know it. Guys were allowed to hedge and float a bit but didn't systematically crowd the paint and guard lanes. Go ahead and try to find examples of this happening without a whistle, Dokmo didn't seem to have trouble finding the opposite. I think you're being disingenuous because I know you watched in the 90s and can't really believe defense is the same now as then apart from 3s

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming
New Trail Blazers logo (ignore the "1 <<<")



Pretty minor but it's hard to improve on the original. The spikes they added to the wordmark are kind of bad though

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
https://twitter.com/lawlawman88/status/861683106193002497

Rondo is pretty much the nicest person in the league. What horrible poo poo did Carlisle do to make him so frustrated.


Also welcome to the Bulls Rudy Gay.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Rudy is opting out oh man this is an unexpected bonus for today! Now we are flush with cash to make a run at Otto Porter because the Kings do everything they can to piss off dokmo and do the opposite of what he thinks

roundmidnight
Jul 9, 2010
The trouble with Portland isn't the logo - which is legitimately one of the best in sports and if you disagree you're dumb and probably love the NAME AROUND CIRCULAR BASKETBALL - but the teenage anime fan site font. It sucks, change it.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Shaq for sheriff. Ex-NBA star eyes a run for office in 2020
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/05/08/shaq-for-sheriff-ex-nba-star-eyes-a-run-for-office-in-2020/

DeimosRising posted:

We have always known Jim Harden had a powerful rear end, round and full. This is THE critical post skill on offense and defense

When he was on the Thunder circa 2011 or 2012 it looked like he was wearing an adult diaper.

Lockback posted:

What other basketball league should Wilt have been playing in?

Shooting 3P shots on the San Diego Conquistadors in the 1970s ABA. But the dirty Lakers forbade it.

Bigass Moth posted:

What is the worst team to win the NBA championship in terms of overall talent?

1947 Warriors. Imagine if Rajon Rondo recruited a bunch of bums off the street and then cursed out Hoiberg saying he had to shoot thirty times a game and do it blindfolded like he was Neo in The Matrix Revolutions. That's Joe Fulks and the Warriors.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

patonthebach posted:

Is there a lot of Wilt footage out there? Maybe I am extrapolating a lot but I cant imagine him being fast enough for todays NBA

Wilt's issue today would be the same issue he had in the 1960s. Trash FT shooting.

Spring Break My Heart posted:

This would be a bizarre even use of the term if you kept it to this year but the 2000's era teams won before Brady was even good and had lots of top flight talent and the 2014 had Gronk and Revis in top form.

The other issue patonthebach needs to know is that the MLB, NHL, NFL are less predictable leagues in terms of winning the title.

Lockback posted:

Lots of guys in the 80s and 90s who were starters wouldn't get play today because they only did 2 things well and neither were defensive.

Also, they're almost all taller/bigger now.

Brolander
Oct 20, 2008

i am but a vessel
if only we got harden in the 90s, and got to watch him back people down all day

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

WhyteRyce posted:

Rudy is opting out oh man this is an unexpected bonus for today! Now we are flush with cash to make a run at Otto Porter because the Kings do everything they can to piss off dokmo and do the opposite of what he thinks

I am stunned that he opted out.

WELCOME TO THE PACERS, RUDY GAY!!!

:negative:

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs

This headline is very misleading

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

DeimosRising posted:

It wasn't happening all game long, and no one was playing the Thibs style defense that emerged in the late 2000s and you know it. Guys were allowed to hedge and float a bit but didn't systematically crowd the paint and guard lanes. Go ahead and try to find examples of this happening without a whistle, Dokmo didn't seem to have trouble finding the opposite. I think you're being disingenuous because I know you watched in the 90s and can't really believe defense is the same now as then apart from 3s

I don't have a large stock of footage to access but it took going to literally one whole game on youtube to find examples.

You can go to almost any Jazz possession that isn't a Malone post up but I like the defensive possession after the start (although I start the clip here just because it is a very modern open 3 due to the Bulls over-rotating): https://youtu.be/j-7qNUPlkmQ?t=1h13m

(also go back two minutes if you want to see Dennis Rodman get a technical for getting stomped on by Karl Malone).

Brian Williams (the future late Bison Dele, may he rest in peace) is particularly blatant and very rarely is within 10 feet of Greg Ostertag and barely even pretends to play 'legal' defense.

But as you see throughout the game the Bulls on almost every non-Malone post up have a guy briefly go up to the tip of the free throw line to pretend to follow the rule, but either Rodman or Pippen almost always end up below the line and in the paint to rotate to every drive and you even see a little bit of switching (although as Dokmo has pointed out in the past, teams don't actually run pick and roll that much so it wasn't as necessary against the Jazz).

Yes, I watched basketball in the 90s which is why I know that illegal defense calls had very little influence on games. Every generation thinks they invented sex, drugs, music and team defense.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

The B_36 posted:

Wilt is the answer to the question "what if <insert whatever modern player> was transported back to the 50's or 60's?".

The prospect of Devin Booker putting up multiple 100+ point games is intriguing.

patonthebach posted:

If Lebron played in the sixities how do you think he would have made out. How about Shaq then?

Prime LBJ would've decimated the Celtics dynasty.

Shaq would've been a bigger liability as the FT rules back then were harsher on awful FT shooting. You could foul a guy even when he didn't have the ball without extra penalty. So get ready for lots of games with Shaq shooting 20+ FTAs and missing a ton and fans booing, jeering and throwing giant foam hands at him.

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man
You don't have to whistle illegal defenses for the rule to have an effect. From the same game you linked to, here is Malone yelling and pointing at the two defenders illegally below the FT line:



One second later they get back to their normal positions, opening up the lane:



This happened all the time.

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NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs
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