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Or it could just be sprite laziness and not wanting to draw individualized sprites for facing left and right. Assuming the sprites do face more than one direction in-game anyway.
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Rune Full Moon posted:Or it could just be sprite laziness and not wanting to draw individualized sprites for facing left and right. Assuming the sprites do face more than one direction in-game anyway. The sprites are never flipped, no.
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Then again with Shannon, we only see one thigh.
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Robindaybird posted:Dooru-chan Please. Her name is clearly Lady DOOROTHY
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ZiegeDame posted:Please. actually it's Lady Doorothy Janus, peasant.
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Kind of feels a bit overreaching to talk too much about this, but there seems to be plenty of room for Sayo to be intersex—and maybe the weird gender poo poo going on with the character is them trying to figure out what kind of presentation is more comfortable. I'm not interested in talking about the specifics of their body, because that's not important here. Sayo being intersex (but possibly raised as a girl for the first part of their life) could be why the personalities conflict so much despite being interdependent; why "Why am I unable to love" is in red, if "love" means something more sexual; why Shannon and Kanon are portrayed with somewhat gender-essentialized personalities; and why the character is so obsessed with keeping to rules. All of those anxieties and traits could be a reaction to being forced into a binary gender at birth, and later rejecting it but not having the vocabulary or support to understand what that means. Gender and its constraints are definitely strong themes in this work (as well as in many witch tales), so having the core character be outside, but looking in in multiple ways would be totally fitting. I don't mean to take away from a trans reading of the character, which I think would also be an amazing outcome for this story! Just some thoughts I had while catching up on the latest couple of pages. (Also hi, it's TCL! But not anymore. WR? Wrrryyyy?! I'm so awful at naming things.) witchcore ricepunk fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 7, 2017 |
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Agreed, you are bad at naming things. That's a really interesting way to read into the S=K theory, one that I'll admit would never have crossed my mind. Another way to tie it into the story is for Battler to be involved somehow, for his sin to be tied to their spilt personality or whatever this is. Actually, I'll like for some red: do we have enough information to figure out what Battler's sin is?
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Kind of feels a bit overreaching to talk too much about this, but there seems to be plenty of room for Sayo to be intersex—and maybe the weird gender poo poo going on with the character is them trying to figure out what kind of presentation is more comfortable. I'm not interested in talking about the specifics of their body, because that's not important here. Sayo being intersex (but possibly raised as a girl for the first part of their life) could be why the personalities conflict so much despite being interdependent; why "Why am I unable to love" is in red, if "love" means something more sexual; why Shannon and Kanon are portrayed with somewhat gender-essentialized personalities; and why the character is so obsessed with keeping to rules. Witchcore Ricepunk is my favorite username and is the best. You have solved my ills and poured soothing balm upon the wounds of my mind. Thank you.
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bman in 2288 posted:Actually, I'll like for some red: do we have enough information to figure out what Battler's sin is? Refusing to answer when asked is one of the pleasures allowed to a witch.
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ProfessorProf posted:Refusing to answer when asked is one of the pleasures allowed to a witch. Welp, was worth a shot.
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 Erika had been politely entertained, and it was decided that she would be treated as a guest until the typhoon passed. In the dining hall, Gohda's wonderful dinner had ended, and everyone was relaxing and enjoying some after-dinner coffee and cheese... Apparently, Battler was a bit relieved that Erika had come and turned into a good scapegoat. It drove away some of the attention he'd been getting piled on him for finally coming back after six years.  BGM: Smile-less Soiree When the conversation turned to a sophisticated discussion of the mystery genre, even the adults were drawn in. She was apparently so well versed that even Nanjo, who had a vast knowledge of the subject, was impressed.   "Have no fear. No matter how difficult the crime, I will solve it. That's a detective's job." "How reassuring. It almost sounds as though you want a bizarre crime to occur. I hope I don't have to play the part of the victim." "Dear, don't be imprudent." "Well, the history of the human mystery genre is only about a century old. Its tricks and ideas are limited to a few recycled patterns, so there's nothing left to show. No matter what kind of impossible crimes or closed room murders might occur, it'll be nothing more than one of the same classes of tricks dressed up to look like something new." "...The only reason mysteries still make for popular books today is because self-proclaimed 'fans' -- those who work off pieced-together knowledge and who have hardly read any of the classics -- Mistakenly think that a classic trick they didn't know about, through lack of proper study, is actually something new and surprising."Everyone couldn't help but gape at this imposing claim... If an aged critic had said it, that would have been one thing. But to think that a young person like this could say it so boldly...  "Mystery is a genre that ended a half century ago. At least as far as I'm concerned. However, thanks to the countless ignorant fools, I get to play my part as detective. *giggle* *giggle* *giggle* *giggle*...!" "By that argument, wouldn't it mean that romance was perfected back in Shakespeare's time, so everything after that isn't worth reading?" "Exactly. So, if you just read Romeo and Juliet, it's the same as having understood all of romance." "That's ridiculous. It's not like there's any need to read more books than everyone else just for its own sake, but on the other hand, you can't be so satisfied with just a few stories like that." "...Just reading classics of the past and never anything new is being overly nostalgic, don't you think? That sounds to me like the excuse of an old person who's too lazy to read anything." "...That's right. I don't read as much as you, so I get the feeling you'd beat me in an argument." "Me? Haha, I don't read books." "..."Battler chuckled, but Erika knew from the previous game that 'Battler' was actually quite an avid reader. So, his words felt like more of a challenge.  BGM: The Great Detective Knows  "Oh, right. Maria, didn't you bring a quiz book or something?" "Uu-! Brought it!!"Picking up that Erika's arrogant statement had made the atmosphere a little more tense, George smoothly changed the subject. By now, it was more than clear that she wasn't the cute guest she had appeared to be. Maria pulled a book out of her bag that had quizzes and puzzles written on it and started reading them to everyone. It might have looked as though it would become a peaceful quiz party... but of course, that isn't what happened. In credit to all her big talking, Erika managed an impressive ratio of correct and immediate answers... Erika took complete control. Her bragging began to escalate more and more. George slightly regretted the choice he had made when changing the subject.  The question, how many matches would you need for a tournament with 107 teams, was answered instantly by Erika.  "This is less of a puzzle than it is a test of knowledge. There's a formula which shows that the number of matches is always the number of teams minus one. Well, if you just look at the examples showing three matches for four teams and seven matches for eight teams, it should be easy to figure out the pattern." "Uu-! Erika, that's awesome!" "Erika onee-chan, right?! Say it." "Uu-, Erika onee-chan, that's awesome." "Really impressive. So, you don't call yourself a detective for nothing." "I couldn't very well act the part of the detective if I was incapable of handling puzzles of this sort." "Incredible. I'm sure you'll be able to become a real detective in the future." "Well, I'm pretty sure I already am one."The cousins all thought about the answers to the questions, but Erika always answered first. Rosa thought that it was a bit rude for Erika to say the answers out loud while people were thinking, instead of keeping them to herself, but since Erika was a guest, Rosa decided against mentioning it. In truth, Erika was perfectly aware of this when she answered the questions instantly. Each time, she would grin broadly, as though saying 'you all still haven't solved such an easy problem?'...  "...Since you're a great detective, you don't really need to take this so seriously, right?" "Good point. Even though these are just childish questions, I've been taking them a bit too seriously. I'll take more care, so let's hear the next question please." "Alright, I won't lose this time. Maria, next question please!" BGM: Scar Sound  "Oh, I know this one. So I guess I'll stay quiet this time."George, acting like the adult he was, set up a mood that would prevent people from answering right away even if they knew the answer, in effect sending a warning to Erika. It seemed that Erika understood, and she averted her gaze, snorting derisively.  "...To make eight pieces, four slices would be enough, right?" "That's dumb. It would hardly be a puzzle if that was the answer." "Hahaha. That's right. These are usually set up so that a smaller number than you'd expect is the answer. But still, how exactly could it be done?" "...Oh, got it, got it. You can only do this because it's cheese." "True. If you tried to do it with a birthday cake, there'd be a huge fight." "Wahahaha! That's right. You might be able to do this with cheese, but you'd never cut a cake like this." "Huh? Huh? All of you know the answer?! Dammit, am I the only one who doesn't?!" "Oh, I've got it! I see, so you have to think three-dimensionally." "Wait, even Jessica?! I don't get it! What should I dooooooo?!" "Kihihihihihi, I know the answer. It's written right here. Kihihihihi." "You didn't know the answer until you looked, right?" "*giggle*, get it? Battler-kun?" "I see, I understand it as well. This is something you can do because it is cheese." "Gyah?! Even Doctor Nanjo gets it?! Could it be? Am I the only one who doesn't get it?!" "...If we tried cooking your brain a bit, it'd probably become as flexible as cheese. *giggle*giggle*..." "It isn't something like 'use zero slices with the knife and break it apart with your hands', right?" "Of course not. It's impossible to cut this cheese with anything other than a knife." "Think of the cheese in three dimensions. If that's hard, it might help to draw a picture on a paper napkin." "S, so, we have one large piece of cheese, right...? Then we use a knife to make eight pieces... Can the knife only cut in a straight line?" "Yes, that's right. The knife only cuts in straight lines. Oh, but here's a hint. You can only cut in a straight line, but you're free to cut it wherever you want." "Try thinking of various ways to stick the knife in." "You should probably try to think out of the box a bit. Show us what you've got, Battler-kun."You have a large piece of cheese. How many times must you cut it with a knife to make eight pieces? It's obvious that you could do it in four cuts. Can it be done in even fewer cuts than that? The hints said that it was something that could be done because it was cheese. If it was a birthday cake, you really wouldn't be allowed to do this.  BGM: Melody (instrumental) "Seems like you've finally hit on it. Hopefully it is the right answer." "It's impossible to cut the cheese with anything except the knife, right? The knife can only cut in a straight line, right? There aren't any other rules, right? Right?!" "Uu-. Not really." "Alright, then that's got to be it! Wheeew, that was a tough one... it's almost like a riddle!" "Hahahaha, it's just that you won't get anywhere if you always cut down from the top. You make two cuts from the top to get four pieces. If you keep it like that and cut across the side, splitting it into an upper half and a lower half, you get four times two equals eight pieces!" "It's an answer you can't reach unless you think three-dimensionally. In other words, the correct answer is three." BGM: Smile-less Soiree "Wahahahaha! What kind of magic did you use?! There's no way in the world you could manage it with one." "*giggle*. This isn't a riddle, it's just a normal math problem." "...Huh? Oh, really...? Nnnnn, I thought of the three-cut method right away, but I figured that was too easy, so I guess I tried to twist it too far..." "...Battler's answer is smaller than the one in the book. Is Battler right?" Battler was happy that someone had confirmed his answer. However, at some point, Erika's face had lost its cheeriness.  "...To think that a human other than myself would answer one... and that it'd be you, of all people." "Your answer was one too, Erika? I guess you were also thinking out of the box." "It would be truly foolish to arbitrarily decide the shape just because you heard it was a piece of cheese."  "How foolish, child of man. *giggle*giggle*... It says to cut it into eight pieces, but nowhere does it say that they have to be of equal size..." "It's still impossible. Do you cut it with something other than a knife?" "The rules say that only the knife can cut it, and that the knife can only cut in a straight line. However, to turn it around, the rules do not say anything besides that... In fact, the shape of the cheese is never specified."  "...I was thinking about sliced cheese, like the kind you might put on your toast for breakfast. After all, I don't usually have anything to do with full blocks of cheese that you'd cut with a knife." "...The shape of the cheese isn't specified in the rules. A mistake by the ones who made the book. I imagine that there's a picture of a flat cylinder of cheese there in Maria-san's book." "Uu-. There is. Right here."As Erika had guessed, the book Maria held had an illustration of a piece of cheese just as Erika had described it. With cheese of this shape, three slices really would be the correct answer. You cut it in a + pattern from the top to make four pieces. Then cut it from the side to double that and make eight pieces. However, since this illustration hadn't been shown, the interpretation of the cheese had been left to the answerer.  "...That is right. When the problem was stated, it never said anything about what the cheese's shape was or how flexible it was." "Exactly. It seems that Battler-san was the more flexible one, when it comes to both brains and cheese." "I, I don't get it. How does making it sliced cheese let you cut it into eight parts with a single knife slice?" "Why not try it with that paper napkin. Pretend it's sliced cheese." "...It's like this. You fold it accordion-style. How many times do you need to fold it to make eight sections...?" "Six times." Once you've done this six times, it looks like the side of an accordion.  "With normal cheese, it'd break if you tried to fold it like this, but the rules say that this cheese can't break unless you use a knife, right...?" "Yes, no problems there. After all, this is magic cheese that can only be cut by the knife." "After folding it, if you start at the top and make a cut right down the middle..."  "W, wait a second. The parts aren't all equal this way, right...?!" "...All the questioner said was to cut it into eight pieces. They didn't say anything about them being equal." "...Well, if you change the way you fold it, it is possible to make them all equal sizes, but I wouldn't want to confuse you stiff-headed people with the explanation. Eheheheheheheheheheh..."   "Oh, ooooooohhh..."For a while, everyone was stunned... Battler had reached a far better answer than three by thinking of the problem as a riddle. Erika had already known both answers and had even spotted a mistake made by the book. The others could do nothing but stare at those two in surprise. "I, incredible. So we were the stiff-headed ones...?" "What... a failure." "We were thinking in three dimensions, but it looks like Battler-kun and Erika-chan were thinking in one dimension higher." BGM: FIshy Aroma  "What are you talking about...? Is that a quote from some novel...?" "...Well, let's call it that for now, shall we? Anyway, I guess this means that everyone's brains are as stiff as rock-hard cheese. *giggle*giggle*giggle*...!"Without any signs of restraint, Erika looked at everyone and laughed sarcastically... Only Maria didn't notice the venom in that laugh as she happily turned to the next page.    "Here's another cliched problem. Don't tell me that you'll all need to waste several precious seconds on a problem like this...?"By now, Erika was gazing around with an unpleasant look, acting in a manner that was completely inappropriate both for a guest and for someone of her age... She was no longer a guest who would be staying until the storm passed. She had transformed into an annoying guest who wouldn't leave until the storm passed... Everyone thought this, but they were unable to say it aloud...  "Uh, oh, right, speaking of problems with coins, I've heard that you can tell whether someone's good with chopsticks or not by seeing if they can pick up coins with them..." BGM: HANE Jessica was about to say 'isn't a chopstick just a stick?'...but stopped herself just in time. She realized that it was best to let George take control for now... "I have a coin here, so would you like to challenge me? I'm pretty good with chopsticks." "Th, that's right... We trained George very well with chopsticks." "True. Upbringing is what makes for good table manners. Erika-san was very impressive herself." "I'll lend you some coins too. It'll probably be more fun with more of them." "Jessica. Watch closely and learn." "D, dammit...!" "Alright, let's go. Let's see who can move the most coins over to their plate." "Bring it on!! Chopsticks, chopsticks, haah haah!!"...This time, George had steered the conversation into a good direction. Everyone else understood, and they helped to egg on this chopstick fight and change the subject. They were fully aware by now that Erika was extremely proud of her intelligence. And apparently, she had the bad habit of using that to look down on other people. 
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My solution: One coin in cup A, two coins each in cups B and C, put cup A inside cup C? (spoilered just so I don't possibly ruin the fun of anyone else accidentally seeing this post while trying to solve it)
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"Bring it on!! Chopsticks, chopsticks, haah haah!!" Whoa, girl.
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ArashiKurobara posted:My solution: One coin in cup A, two coins each in cups B and C, put cup A inside cup C? (spoilered just so I don't possibly ruin the fun of anyone else accidentally seeing this post while trying to solve it) Bah, too weak. Put one coin in each cup, stack them all inside each other, and take the other two coins and buy yourself some ice cream.
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ArashiKurobara posted:My solution: One coin in cup A, two coins each in cups B and C, put cup A inside cup C? (spoilered just so I don't possibly ruin the fun of anyone else accidentally seeing this post while trying to solve it) I think that's the answer too. What an easy riddle.
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ZiegeDame posted:Bah, too weak. Put one coin in each cup, stack them all inside each other, and take the other two coins and buy yourself some ice cream. Okay no this is better, any solution where you get ice cream too wins.
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I'm glad this thread can at least solve riddles from a children's quiz book 
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tiistai posted:I'm glad this thread can at least solve riddles from a children's quiz book Ice cream is a hell of a motivator.
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witchcore ricepunk posted:
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My original thought was the one that generates ice cream. I suppose that's because they didn't want to force the answer to be too easy thanks to limiting the number of moves. It's also amusing to me that the Ushiromiya family, of all people, is already tired of Erika's poo poo.
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tiistai posted:I'm glad this thread can at least solve riddles from a children's quiz book I mean, yeah it's not an especially difficult one, but I've always been fond of the little brainteasers. Kinda feels nice to get pitched a softball once in a while in this thing, heh.
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It's nice to have a puzzle where it's clearly spelled out what sort of answer you're looking for.
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"She was no longer a guest who would be staying until the storm passed. She had transformed into an annoying guest who wouldn't leave until the storm passed... " This line pretty much describes how Erika acts perfectly.
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Oh god, this is bringing back Professor Layton memories, save me.  Don't remind me of a puzzle, please...!
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If I know Umineko like I think I do, then these puzzles for children are going to come into play soon. Also Erika being the most unsociable person in a room full of jerks is only fitting the great detective.
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EagerSleeper posted:Oh god, this is bringing back Professor Layton memories, save me. The plot twist in episode 8 is that this has just been one extremely involved layton puzzle the whole time
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rated 5, holy poo poo. I'm not that great with puzzles myself, I'm too rigid a thinker to be like AH YES I FIGURED OUT THE SOLUTION. And when I first read umineko the entire point of it flew over my head because I was in it for magical witch fights and good music, which....:V
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Fabulousvillain posted:If I know Umineko like I think I do, then these puzzles for children are going to come into play soon. Also Erika being the most unsociable person in a room full of jerks is only fitting the great detective. Well presumably the answer is referencing two inside the space occupied by one, which would be a hint towards X/Beatrice or possibly Shannon/Kanon. Interestingly enough, according to this interpretation it's only two inside the space one should occupy, instead of three (which would possibly be a hint at Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice).
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Cyouni posted:Well presumably the answer is referencing two inside the space occupied by one, which would be a hint towards X/Beatrice or possibly Shannon/Kanon. Interestingly enough, according to this interpretation it's only two inside the space one should occupy, instead of three (which would possibly be a hint at Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice). ooooh poo poo 
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Cyouni posted:My original thought was the one that generates ice cream. I suppose that's because they didn't want to force the answer to be too easy thanks to limiting the number of moves. Well, Erika does have one incredible skill. No, it's not detectiving, she's terrible at that. But she's fantastic at annoying people. Also we see the problems of a culture where you can't complain when someone is being a jerk.
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Qrr posted:Well, Erika does have one incredible skill. No, it's not detectiving, she's terrible at that. But she's fantastic at annoying people. Well in another situation they could kick her out. The Issue is that she is stranded with them.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well in another situation they could kick her out. The Issue is that she is stranded with them. Rosa didn't even mention she was being a bit rude because she was a guest. I don't think they'd be willing to kick her out.
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Qrr posted:Rosa didn't even mention she was being a bit rude because she was a guest. I don't think they'd be willing to kick her out. Oh, they'd be perfectly happy to kick her out as soon as it both looks appropriate and is physically possible. The latter is not likely to happen anytime soon.
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oath2order posted:The plot twist in episode 8 is that this has just been one extremely involved layton puzzle the whole time Goddamn. Rated 5 as well. Cyouni posted:Well presumably the answer is referencing two inside the space occupied by one, which would be a hint towards X/Beatrice or possibly Shannon/Kanon. Interestingly enough, according to this interpretation it's only two inside the space one should occupy, instead of three (which would possibly be a hint at Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice).  Jesus Christ. I love this.So it's turning out that character art might be an effective tool of itself in order to tell what's really going on, as in the case of Shannon/Kanon. For that reason, I think there's something really skeezy about George. In the battle against Gaap, when asked that he kill everyone else in order to be with the one he loves, he says that he'd be willing to do so. He's made multiple statements before how he'd be willing to stop anyone who got in his way of his goal of going after Shannon, and the TIPS section makes a joke out of him having lied to Shannon to get her to search all day alone with him for a hat he doesn't even own. In addition to that act of manipulativeness, he's also been shown to be the best at handling other people's emotions, especially seen in today's update and in the past when Maria started to act up. There's going to be something really bad with George, I know it. Only good person on this island is Gohda. Second place is split between Maria and Natsuhi. 
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Tired Moritz posted:Yikes if actual murderer Natsuhi is in second place. Natsuhi did nothing wrong. /s I had forgotten that she actually pushed a baby (and the servant carrying the baby) off a cliff. gently caress, I still liked Natsuhi though. 
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