NickRoweFillea posted:

Attention mod: put the fashion thread in your table of contents

dokmo posted:

You don't have to whistle illegal defenses for the rule to have an effect. From the same game you linked to, here is Malone yelling and pointing at the two defenders illegally below the FT line:



One second later they get back to their normal positions, opening up the lane:



This happened all the time.

DeimosRising posted:

Chauncey...led the league in ORTG as a point guard who played high minutes (probably only he and Curry have done this but I'm not checking)...

The B_36 posted:

It was a completely different epoch in the history of the game. It would be like trying to compare Mike Trout to some pitcher from the 1874 Cincinatti Red Stockings who struck out every guy he faced because every guy he faced was playing base-ball for the first time ever.

tanglewood1420 posted:

If DeAndre Jordan and Wilt cosmically swapped places this thread would be full of people proclaiming DJ as the greatest ever because he humiliated a bunch of 6'8" white guys, whilst everyone would be constantly hammering Chamberlain for not hitting his drat free throws and saying he is a very good but limited player that will never be elite because he has no jump shot.

hitze posted:

This a good rear end pic

https://twitter.com/BenStandig/status/861601266702659584

Rick posted:

I'm willing to concede that it had an effect in the sense that it was something that players thought about and sometimes things like you posted her happened, but I mean come on this is a few plays max the whole game and the Bulls did this all game and it really decreased the effectiveness of the Jazz offense.

Rick posted:

Every generation thinks they invented sex, drugs, music and team defense.

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

Which one of you is Hinkie?


https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-team-offseason-rebuilding-raptors-clippers-bulls-pacers-f6b9c8062500

Jota posted:

The entire Cavs team roasting Channing Frye during his post game interview if my favorite moment of the NBA ever

https://twitter.com/DimeUPROXX/status/861607704137093120

Bashez posted:

Even with few speeding tickets issued, do you think a road with a 30 MPH speed limit will have slower traffic than a road with a 50MPH speed limit?

Dokmo's screenshots show this pretty clearly. If John Stockton were Lebron do you know how the Spurs would guard that? They'd take one of those two Bulls that are standing next to each other on the weak side and put them on the strong side of the lane. Totally illegal in the 90's but that's the kind of defense the Spurs needed against Lebron when he was isolating on the wing.

Brolander posted:

love this

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/KGArea21/status/861733600328155136

Big Baby is biiiiig.

Quizzlefish posted:

KG might be my favourite human being. He should run for president. He'd have my vote.

quote:

Tyronn Lue: A lot of people do all their howling on the court and they're faking just for attention, but what he does is genuine. So one day we were at his house and we were watching Puff Daddy's show 'Making the Band,' and in one of the scenes, some new guys came in and were trying to sing and were trying to compete against the guys who had been there. And KG just got so hyped, 'Motherf----r, you've got to stand up for yours! You've got to fight! Motherf----r, you've got to come together!' He's going crazy, he's sweaty. And he just head butts the wall and put a hole in the wall of his house.

Zogo posted:

LBJ has the advantage in overall scoring numbers and is also a superior 3P shooter. LBJ is a more versatile defender.


It's too bad VORP only goes back to 1974. If it went back all the way I believe Kareem/Wilt would still have LBJ dominated.


Duncan won a title before Jordan was done playing and assists are slightly overvalued. Nemesis implies a major threat or something unconquerable and Curry only is because he's on the stacked team (highest ORtg in NBA/ABA history). LBJs nemesis is a ten foot tall Michael Jordan.*

*nonexistent.

R.D. Mangles posted:

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The Glumslinger posted:

I would also say that the illegal defense rules were a lot like offensive 3 seconds. It got missed a ton, but it got called enough that you couldn't build your entire team around it.

Femur posted:

Duncan got rings in all these guys eras, but he was deemed boring; are you a king if noone cared?

I believe Curry is clearly his nemesis, and the physical gap is what grinds Lebron, like tom,, & jerry. Silverspoon, frail, dude took all his thunder. His homecoming, to a team he hand picked,was immediately upstaged. GSW when on to suffocat the headlines the following season, there was no "team" mentioned with unanimous MVP was decided halfway through the season. Fans weren't coming hrs early to watch the team practice. Young fans werent going crazy over a "team. " Lebron went to ridiculous levels of passive aggressiveness to get attention, it was almost sad.

Maybe you feel the 3-1 finals where Lebron went out of his way to make steph look like the child he is front of Lebron, and balance was restored. But steph went out and got Durant, again suffocating the media landscape and upstaging what Lebron feels should have been his coronation season.

Rick, illegal defense was called enough in Bulls games that I feel that those techs were really valuable, and had an effect on some following plays. They didn't get call often through, maybe 2-3 a game if that.

Bashez posted:

This is exactly the point. People tried to stretch illegal defense as best they could but when the illegal defense went away you just built your defense around playing what was formerly illegal.

Rick posted:

Again, you should watch the video.

Rick posted:

Again, you should watch the video.

Bashez posted:

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. What are you wanting me to see? The defense there is trash by modern standards.

Femur posted:

You know, I am tired of you guys talking poo poo about 80s and 90s players and their defense. Running and jumping is hard poo poo, and they did what they were taught. Blame dumbass coaches and owners who based the game around the slowest and most lumbering dude out there in the first place.

And you know what happened? crazy rear end mother fuckers like Jordan, rodman pushed that shut up several notches, and now you got Lebron. Yall act like Lebron came up with this poo poo on his own. Like crazy motherfucker Jordan captured our hearts and mind because of his unheard of relentless drives, creativity, playing amongst the trees.

Guess what, Lebron wears 23, so whatever he said about iverson, comparisons yo Magic, whatever, dude is emulating MJ. Would nonconfrontational passive aggressive Lebron come up with his aggressive driving strategy without crazy Jordan paving the way? or would he of just been like fellow ironman counterpart Malone, with the same lovely mid-range game and FT and get punched in the nut by Jordan.

Yall act like personality don't matter. Like steph languished for years cause noone had shown that jacking up 3s was a great strategy. Going against the grain takes a crazy mindset, and their experience benefits all who follow.

What was I talking about? oh yeah defense, athletes are super dumb, and believe stuff someone tells them.

Rick posted:

They do what you claim they don't over and over again throughout the game, which is stack two defenders on the strong side to challenge Stockton's if he should get past his man (one is pretending to guard someone at the start of the play but always drifts to the paint in the strong side before Stockton makes his move). The fact that they aren't worried about three pointers at all makes it easier to do this actually.

Adun posted:

I think every person has their own GOAT because at the end of the day it's all subjective given different play styles, rules, and talent pools. To me the GOAT is the player who first captured your imagination. The player who you always pretended to be when you were a kid playing ball with your friends.

My first experience with basketball was as a newly arrived immigrant during the Clutch City era in Houston so my GOAT will always be Hakeem.