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Bas threw straight lead hands all the time, he just wasn't on board with feinting or not sitting down on punches. He figured you may as well just full on punch
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May 8, 2017 22:55
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if jabs and feints and stuff didn't exist in mma we would be closer to removing the significant strike index, the ultimate goal of making the sport enjoyable
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May 8, 2017 23:00
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Gay Horney posted:We use jabs a shitload in my gym. I love the jab. I was just trying to elaborate on why it is not used more often . I definitely regret name dropping I just got mad But you didn't drop the name? Can you elaborate on why the jab is more vulnerable to an overhand counter in MMA than boxing? I can see the argument that it's more suspectible to a takedown if you're maximizing reach and turning too much to the side, but how is it less vulnerable in boxing where you don't even have to show the takedown and commit to a faster and deeper overhand? cis autodrag posted:So many guys throw jabs where the leave it out for a couple seconds and let their hand just kinda fall to their waist before bringing it back, and that's all time that half of your guard is down. As soon as someone times your jab, that sort of technique gets you put down. That's part of the MMA compromise. The higher and tighter your guard, the more work it'll take to react to a clinch or takedown. Leaving it out or putting your hands lower gives you more defense against non-strikes. DirtRoadJunglist posted:Late to the discussion, but A.J. Liebling used to refer to fighters as "milling coves." Apparently "coves" just meant "boys," so "milling" referred to fighting. But we're talking some old-rear end boxing writing, so probably not relevant. Slang might have changed a lot in 200 years, but 'cove' is just slang for 'person' in English English now.
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May 8, 2017 23:12
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david carmichael posted:Bas threw straight lead hands all the time, he just wasn't on board with feinting or not sitting down on punches. He figured you may as well just full on punch Part of his no jabs thing was informed by being a Dutchman in a sport of wrestlers so he had an incredibly square stance, if he never had a lead leg then he had two power hands and could sprawl (theoretically). He's right that you do need a squarer stance in MMA but he was also lovely at wrestling and "limp leg" was just a side effect of painkillers to bas
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May 8, 2017 23:18
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DAN AYKROYD FROM CONEHEADS: Bwargh! Dangity dang! Frssssh! [just starts loving drooling everywhere] THE WORLD CIRCA 1997: This is what the perfect fighter looks like
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May 8, 2017 23:24
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Triticum Guzzler posted:"limp leg" was just a side effect of painkillers to bas 
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May 8, 2017 23:33
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DirtRoadJunglist posted:Late to the discussion, but A.J. Liebling used to refer to fighters as "milling coves." Apparently "coves" just meant "boys," so "milling" referred to fighting. But we're talking some old-rear end boxing writing, so probably not relevant. "Milling coves" goes back to Boxiana and its ilk from Doyle's era in the 1810s, which Liebling paid a lot of tribute to (to the point that the Wikipedia for Boxiana mentions Liebling). That old boxing writing was great, I read like a few hundred pages of Boxiana like 5 years ago (on Google Books) Pierce Egan posted:pp. 109-110
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May 8, 2017 23:40
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Triticum Guzzler posted:"limp leg" was just a side effect of painkillers to bas lmao
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May 8, 2017 23:45
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Marching Powder posted:remember when gsp put one fo the most prolonged and vicious beatings seen inside the octagon on josh koscheck? little did he know he was vulnerable to the overhand right - the only punch koscheck knows how to throw I remember that loving eye, was that the same fight? Edit: yea  :format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/807159/josh-koscheck-eye.png)
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May 8, 2017 23:58
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1st AD posted:orthodox vs. southpaw In regard to their common opponents in the UFC, him and Connor have almost identical records. They've both flattened Dustin Poirier (to within 10 seconds of the same time) and lost to Nate Diaz. I find that amusing. willie_dee posted:I remember that loving eye, was that the same fight?
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May 9, 2017 00:03
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Err, it's been a long week. Has anything cool happened? I'm way out of the loop.
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May 9, 2017 00:08
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Captain Log posted:Err, it's been a long week. Has anything cool happened? I'm way out of the loop. gently caress all mate, but there's a good card coming up and the media is just kicking into gear pre fight night style.
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May 9, 2017 00:13
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Snowman_McK posted:
I didn't, I disliked the man and seeing him dismantled so well by an mma legend and gentleman was fantastic.
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May 9, 2017 00:14
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Captain Log posted:Err, it's been a long week. Has anything cool happened? I'm way out of the loop. It's monday
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May 9, 2017 00:16
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Vitor's training at Tristar for his last (UFC) fight. http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/5/8/15586154/vitor-belfort-training-for-ufc-212-retirement-bout-tristar-gym He's only 40 so I assume the siren song of "come to Japan and do all the 'roids you want" will tempt him over sooner rather than later.
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May 9, 2017 00:22
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vainman posted:It's monday gently caress me. willie_dee posted:gently caress all mate, but there's a good card coming up and the media is just kicking into gear pre fight night style. I am so God damned pumped for this card. It looks great. Any undercarders to watch?
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May 9, 2017 00:34
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david carmichael posted:It was like watching a tree fall For those not around at the time, this was supposed to be a boxing rules match originally. They couldn't get it sanctioned, though, so the rules were set to MMA. Sylvia and Mercer made a gentleman's agreement that it would be boxing only. That's why Ray looks at Tim like he's an rear end in a top hat after the low kick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9OE7DZAo
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May 9, 2017 00:37
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willie_dee posted:I didn't, I disliked the man and seeing him dismantled so well by an mma legend and gentleman was fantastic. Yeah. Him losing was cool. Him slowly having his face broken for 25 minutes (he still couldn't fly 6 months later) got a little hard to watch. That poo poo should have been stopped before the end of the second round.
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May 9, 2017 01:16
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I guess if you guys want to train jabs on special foam targets all day thats fine and I respect it, there's many roads to fitness. But as for myself: I am a warrior, and I will train via full contact haymaker hook swinging suicide drills. Also I'm going to do curls in the squat rack, or where ever else I may please.
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May 9, 2017 01:22
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Work Friend Keven posted:I guess if you guys want to train jabs on special foam targets all day thats fine and I respect it, there's many roads to fitness. But as for myself: I am a warrior, and I will train via full contact haymaker hook swinging suicide drills. Also I'm going to do curls in the squat rack, or where ever else I may please. You are a glorious being.
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May 9, 2017 02:38
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Do you guys remember when we all thought Ben Rothwell was going to be the champion and then JDS showed up and punched him in the stomach a bunch of times and we never heard from Rothwell again
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May 9, 2017 02:46
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No one thought Big Ben was gonna be the champ
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May 9, 2017 02:50
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Ben Rothwell probably did.
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May 9, 2017 02:55
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Snowman_McK posted:Yeah. Him losing was cool. Him slowly having his face broken for 25 minutes (he still couldn't fly 6 months later) got a little hard to watch. That poo poo should have been stopped before the end of the second round. It wasn't even slow, Koscheck said GSP's jab broke his orbital like two minutes into the fight and he had to go the distance with the injury. He was never the same after that either.
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May 9, 2017 03:31
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kimbo305 posted:But you didn't drop the name? It's been described very well already but a couple things-- jabs in MMA are behind a smaller glove so they're harder to defend behind by default. If MMA was boxing with 4oz gloves you wouldn't see near as many jabs because it's harder to pull your hand back and defend. Really intelligently defending yourself while you throw a jab in boxing involves getting your head off the center line away from the other dude's power and if you overcommit to that in MMA you're opening yourself up to a range of nasty things--kicks to the body, BRH, takedowns, you can throw the jab and defend yourself from a right hand but you can't throw a jab and defend yourself from a right hand or a double leg takedown at the same time quite as well. i would also like to note that everything I post is from my own retarded brain and is nobody elses fault
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May 9, 2017 03:40
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Gay Horney posted:i would also like to note that everything I post is from my own retarded brain and is nobody else's fault Same idiot brain here, but I remember in Muay Thai the jab being my favorite sparring punch because everyone would headhunt. When you land a good one your opponents brain basically goes "burk" and they have to reset their combo. This was pretty low to mid level though. Is there some jab talk to go check out I missed?
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May 9, 2017 04:08
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Gay Horney posted:Really intelligently defending yourself while you throw a jab in boxing involves getting your head off the center line away from the other dude's power There's more than one way to use a jab while limiting potential risks, not just by moving your head off line. quote:if you overcommit to that in MMA you're opening yourself up to a range of nasty things--kicks to the body, BRH, takedowns, That you're vulnerable to other attacks off the jab doesn't support your case that the BRH is the MMA nullifier of the jab. quote:you can throw the jab and defend yourself from a right hand but you can't throw a jab and defend yourself from a right hand or a double leg takedown at the same time quite as well. That's true, but the fact that you can get shot on off a jab is different from "The jab in MMA makes you vulnerable to an overhand right or cross unless you throw it perfectly" "Many fighters would rather set up a bigger strike." A bigger strike plays more into the vulnerabilities that can be capitalized on with a counter overhand or shot.
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May 9, 2017 04:30
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I like jabs because if you hit them fast enough then the green monster guy shoots lightning out.
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May 9, 2017 04:34
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Gay Horney posted:jabs in MMA are behind a smaller glove so they're harder to defend. I fixed it for you. If you don't know what you're talking about you probably shouldn't be so adamant about it.
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May 9, 2017 04:40
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the poster looks up from his model set and sneers as he snaps the last piece of the track into place. "do you even traaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiin" Gay Horney fucked around with this message at 04:58 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 04:50
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Notice I didn't say anything about training, you dunce. https://zippy.gfycat.com/PlushAcidicGuineapig.webm https://zippy.gfycat.com/BlissfulBaggyDromedary.webm Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 05:14 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 05:07
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I do think Ben Rothwell could beat a rusty Cain Velasquez, so in theory he coulda been champion.
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May 9, 2017 05:23
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Bubba Smith posted:I do think Ben Rothwell could beat a rusty Cain Velasquez, so in theory he coulda been champion. Cain has been injured a bunch, I know, but he is still way faster than Rothwell and would just single leg him and beat him up again. Edit: If you haven't seen the first fight you should watch it if only for Rothwell complaining about the stoppage after taking what seemed like a galaxy's worth of punches and elbows to the head. Edit 2:vvv That was incredible, yeah. Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 05:39 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 05:30
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Rothwell casually dismantling Alistair Overeem then awkwardly dancing is peak Heavyweight MMA and I won't stand for anyone saying otherwise. I won't stand for it! *Tries to sit down, awkwardly jigs until he falls out the window*
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May 9, 2017 05:37
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Jeremy horn says the jab difficult to implement and he wants to know if you're gonna finish that sandwich
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May 9, 2017 05:43
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Snowman_McK posted:Rothwell casually dismantling Alistair Overeem then awkwardly dancing is peak Heavyweight MMA and I won't stand for anyone saying otherwise. I won't stand for it! In the total spectrum of heavyweight MMA accomplishments, 'I knocked out Alistair Overeem and submitted Josh Barnett' is a hell of a sentence, particularly when the person saying it has the handicap of being Ben Rothwell
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May 9, 2017 06:50
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I'd also rate "I KO'd the guy that would go on to do that and also KO'd Cro Cop yet somehow am Brendan Schaub every other day of my life"
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May 9, 2017 07:01
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Memento posted:I'd also rate "I KO'd the guy that would go on to do that and also KO'd Cro Cop yet somehow am Brendan Schaub every other day of my life" I don't know what we're talking about anymore. Ben Rothwell is the only guy to actually sub Barnett, and he Ko'd Schaub. What have I missed?
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May 9, 2017 07:19
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Was looking at the wrong Wikipedia page on my phone, disregard. Still, knocking out Cro Cop while being Brendan Schaub is a fair departure from form.
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I think half the people here could be better striking coaches than most pro-fighters have, but so would a speak and spell shouting "punch the face!
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