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Its a limitation of representative politics that a single vote is actually really hard to interpret motivationally. Is a landslide electotal victory proof of a mandate' for every policy that representative believes, or simply a very broad based approval for the particular set of policies (and intensities) they advertised, relative to the opposition? You can make an argument each way for every election. Asking voters themselves may not be enlightening either, because very few people actually have the self awareness and political familiarity required, to fully & logically elaborate all of their beliefs, in every subtlety. You can feel something without actually having the language to express it. The flip side of this is that voting to 'make a point ' rarely works.
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We should treat voting habits less like moral decisions and more like situations shaped by their conditions. Clinton did lose votes because Bernie ran, because many of the people fired up by Bernie felt betrayed by their actions. Perhaps these pepole would have lazyly voted Clinton if there had been no progressive candidates, but a lot of good will was lost with the whole debacle. Therefore if you can get any progressive to primary, even if they lose, the corporate dems will look bad doing it, lose more goodwill and be more susceptible to lose the next one. Talking about "you should/shouldn't vote tactically" is irrelevant if it doesn't effect how people vote.
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May 9, 2017 13:13
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White Rock posted:Perhaps these pepole would have lazyly voted Clinton if there had been no progressive candidates, but a lot of good will was lost with the whole debacle. I registered as Democrat to specifically try and stop Clinton from getting the nomination because I'd rather see actually progressive social programs than half-assed liberal ones.
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May 9, 2017 23:05
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super sweet best pal posted:I registered as Democrat to specifically try and stop Clinton from getting the nomination because I'd rather see actually progressive social programs than half-assed liberal ones. so did a lot of other people, or at least they tried, but alas when the Democrats exclude you from their private club that happens to be part of the foundation of our country's election system it's not considered voter suppression.
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May 10, 2017 00:08
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White Rock posted:We should treat voting habits less like moral decisions and more like situations shaped by their conditions. Clinton did lose votes because Bernie ran, because many of the people fired up by Bernie felt betrayed by their actions. Perhaps these pepole would have lazyly voted Clinton if there had been no progressive candidates, but a lot of good will was lost with the whole debacle. It seem to piss off a lot of Sanders voters is that she didn't try to go after their votes. She kept going back to the center after being challenged by "populism" from both sides. Her policies were incrementalist at best, conservative at their very worst. She kept hanging out with war criminals, wall street crooks over various lefties. When VALID criticism of these sort of things were brought up. Rather than use the "lesser evil" argument ? Her supporters and surrogates would flip out, make accusations of "sexism", "racism" and that "They didn't need your vote". It's a garbage party that's a graveyard of political ideas right now. In theory? Trump's election should be one of the best recruitment tools to get people to get off their rear end to vote in state, local, and federal elections to get some left wing leadership in power. They could really champion a lot of ideas right now like single payer and what have you. This would win them a lot of elections even in places that they think they wouldn't be able to win. You know what we get? "RUSSIA". That's it. That's what these loving assholes have chosen to focus their aim on. A right wing gas lighting trick. All because they refuse to acknowledge that neoliberalism is a failed ideology. These COWARDS stand for absolutely nothing.
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May 10, 2017 00:42
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FuzzySkinner posted:In theory? Trump's election should be one of the best recruitment tools to get people to get off their rear end to vote in state, local, and federal elections to get some left wing leadership in power. They could really champion a lot of ideas right now like single payer and what have you. This would win them a lot of elections even in places that they think they wouldn't be able to win. it's remarkably loving simple
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get that OUT of my face posted:hell, they don't even have to go too heavily on the ideas. if they kept shouting "republicans want to take away your healthcare for tax cuts on the wealthy" or something to that effect, it'll be pretty effective. but top dems won't even do that. you have pelosi bragging that these republicans will lose their seats, and you have hillary clinton continuing to whine and completely miss the point as to why she lost I can see what they're trying to do. They're trying to create a benghazi-like environment around Trump so that we routinely have to hear how he's corrupt and bad. Maybe it'll work, but it's personally driving me insane. Not to mention there's a million other things they could drop kick his rear end over and this is perhaps the weakest one. My assumption is that their thought process is this: "Huh. We got our asses kicked and humilated by an absolute clown. What could let us get away with not being able to change a single thing, while a the same time playing well to the xenophobic rubes in his base?" "Well why did they vote for Reagan?" "Well he beat the communists in Russia. They hated commies. Hey you know..PUTIN is a bad guy always invading countries and poo poo. Eliminating gay rights. Propping up dictators. He's still bad. HEY. I got it! We'll blame it on the Russians! The idiots in this country will eat this up! Let's feed this poo poo to the media. If they can sell the country on a bullshit war in Iraq? We can sell them on Russia. Not like the country has an absolute distrust and disgust in the media right now either!" It just feels bizarrely insulting to my intelligence. I mean according to "Shattered" wasn't this exactly the talking point Robby Mook and others cooked up to deflect blame, parachut eout?
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May 10, 2017 04:00
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FuzzySkinner posted:I can see what they're trying to do. They're trying to create a benghazi-like environment around Trump so that we routinely have to hear how he's corrupt and bad.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I can see what they're trying to do. They're trying to create a benghazi-like environment around Trump so that we routinely have to hear how he's corrupt and bad. Blaming Russia for Clinton losing is stupid and wrong, but I don't think you can honestly say that there's nothing to the Russia connection after today. Clearly there's something to the Russia connection, and it's gotta be pretty loving damaging for Trump to just fire Comey like that. It's the piss tape.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Blaming Russia for Clinton losing is stupid and wrong, but I don't think you can honestly say that there's nothing to the Russia connection after today. Clearly there's something to the Russia connection, and it's gotta be pretty loving damaging for Trump to just fire Comey like that. Unless trump is playing 13-dimensional chess and is going to concede on the most obviously transparent democrat-choice investigator imaginable, and let the dems focus a ton of effort on what actually is a nothingburger.
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May 10, 2017 05:06
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get that OUT of my face posted:the benghazi hysteria didn't work, why would this It did in some aspects. The whole thing kinda riled up the GOP base against her yet again, though whether they needed more meat to throw at them for such a thing remains to be seen. Tunicate posted:Unless trump is playing 13-dimensional chess and is going to concede on the most obviously transparent democrat-choice investigator imaginable, and let the dems focus a ton of effort on what actually is a nothingburger. There's times when I am kinda cheering on Trump to humiliate these liberals even more. ( liberals =/= leftists. Again, Healthcare being taken away and right wing lunatics being in charge of the government is not good. ) I mean look at this poo poo. https://twitter.com/hspaulds/status/862155670828838912 https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/862119534500749312 His audience cheers this, and then they go "no, no. This is bad you guys!" FuzzySkinner has issued a correction as of 05:55 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 05:50
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hey guys Milk is a nazi symbol quote:Milk is the new, creamy symbol of white racial purity in Donald Trump's America quote:The whole milk-chugging, anti-vegan narrative is complicated by a number of factors, not least of which being that Adolf Hitler was possibly vegetarian for a short time, or that there are many places in Africa where milk is a dietary staple. I don't know, here are words that form sentences. https://mic.com/articles/168188/milk-nazis-white-supremacists-creamy-pseudo-science-trump-shia-labeouf#.EKmZ6YmKH
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May 10, 2017 05:51
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that article is months old and uses /pol/ as a primary source. it's bunk
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May 10, 2017 05:55
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Oh no  
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May 10, 2017 06:54
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Turns out that very few people want to read pretentious & condescending lectures.
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May 10, 2017 07:05
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rudatron posted:Turns out that very few people want to read pretentious & condescending lectures. guilt porn is the only way i can maintain my erection!!!
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May 10, 2017 07:21
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MaxxBot posted:Oh no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rddRQyBmBkw
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May 10, 2017 12:31
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MaxxBot posted:Oh no  i can't help but think that the person who typed that sentence is neither black nor from the south. i'd write an article about why she shouldn't culturally appropriate them but i don't wanna stoop to their level
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May 10, 2017 21:05
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Im still certain that site is written by robots since everything is so dry and boring
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May 10, 2017 21:19
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someone post a best of everyday feminism thread when they die off
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May 10, 2017 21:48
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I choose to mock this dude, because he deserves as much mockery as possible. https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/862389285982306304
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May 11, 2017 01:17
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May 11, 2017 02:24
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i'd say that he could move to taiwan but moviebob ain't that bright
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May 11, 2017 03:08
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OhFunny posted:I choose to mock this dude, because he deserves as much mockery as possible. Here we see the garden variety trump supporter, scientific name; standard bigot
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May 11, 2017 05:34
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i'm sure if somebody went up to him and acted slightly threatening in response, he'd piss his pants and run away in terror
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May 11, 2017 05:36
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get that OUT of my face posted:i'm sure if somebody went up to him and acted slightly threatening in response, he'd piss his pants and run away in terror He's acting like a loving gorilla. Pounding his chest, playing with his dick. He reminds me of those dipshits I'd run into back home in my little town. They'd live in the 'burbs, but try to put up this big front about how "country" they were, all while driving those big rear end "lifted" trucks. They always seemed to reject education and opportunities to better themselves in favor of being purposely ignorant. There's like a mass difference between guys like this and the "trailer park" stereotypes people like to prop up as stereotypical  voters. In my experience? That guy would be more of an accurate representation versus someone who's struggling to make ends meet.
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May 11, 2017 05:58
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OhFunny posted:I choose to mock this dude, because he deserves as much mockery as possible. is he a midget? he looks like he has short features
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May 11, 2017 08:03
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Lol holy poo poo, I probably would have prodded him on and then dealt with the possible face punches. Edit: LOL underarmor
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May 11, 2017 08:12
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FuzzySkinner posted:He's acting like a loving gorilla. Pounding his chest, playing with his dick.
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Gorilla Mindset™
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May 12, 2017 05:17
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bahaha seriously? What a loving idiot.
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May 12, 2017 05:33
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hahahaha not so tough now, are you, bitch
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May 12, 2017 05:38
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why would anyone think someone ranting in public was tough instead of desperate
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May 12, 2017 05:42
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deadgoon posted:why would anyone think someone ranting in public was tough instead of desperate have you seen any of the recent protests or counter protests
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May 12, 2017 05:47
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Clawtopsy posted:have you seen any of the recent protests or counter protests no i don't really like crowds
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May 12, 2017 05:53
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Laffo
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now that's comedy
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May 12, 2017 08:07
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capitalism is a far greater crime than harassment but here we are cheering on the system for punishing someone it has already broken
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gently caress off, harassing strangers is peak douchebag behavior
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